SinnedTL

I currently have a 2000 Acura TL and put about 6000 dollars in fixing it up, I am tired of the FWD and the automatic trans. I'm currently looking to replace it with a E36 M3 that is a 5sp trans and a 2 door coupe...I have a question...some people tell me to get the 95's because of the OBD-I, and I have heard some people tell me to get the 96 and above because of the 3.2L engine...now I am confused and need to know what is the best used E36 M3...I have a couple that seem like good deals, please give me your input, thanks in advance...

Dennis

Zapata

where is Crazy on this? I'm sure we'll hear about the BMW and RWD crap

SinnedTL,
Good luck with the perchase

bkknight369

ebay had some nice e36 m3s there...check em out

Manus1980

Don't race any Lexus LS400s or LS430s

Crazy Bimmer

im actually not too familar with the e36 m3s, i do believe the 95 had no traction control on them, but in 96+ they did. Best place for e36 m3 info is on www.dtmpower.net

importtuner

Well you are right about the OBD-1. I think the pre-96 had a 3.0 liter engine, while the 96+ had a 3.2 and OBD-2 for more torque.

Dunbar

I would buy the latest model/best condition car you can afford. An eight year old BMW M car is asking for trouble IMO. Have you actually driven one yet? I drove a couple 99's recently and decided the car is too extreme for daily driving. Plus, figure $1500 a year to maintain them (no, that's not an exaggeration.) You're gonna drop a grand on tires every 15k, shocks every 40k, plus brakes and scheduled inspections every 20k. It's expensive and tuned for a die-hard so test drive a couple before you buy

blingbling

i'm looking to get same thing, but i came to a conclusion that 90% are killed to death... trader.ca don't have a single one with a low miles and a service history...

Dunbar

Oh yeah, the California cars carry a $3-4k premium vs. elsewhere. Not to take away from the discussion but you really should drive one before deciding to buy it

topdaytrader

Never buy a 50k+ miles bimmer. You'll spend more time fixing it than driving it.

Bimmers will also lose hp after 50k miles.

topdaytrader

Never buy a 50k+ miles bimmer. You'll spend more time fixing it than driving it.

Bimmers will also lose hp after 50k miles.

SinnedTL

Why do they lose HP after about 50K miles? Do they lose compression in their engines, how do you regain the lost HP? I heard while other mechanical parts on a BMW start to fail, the engines are bulletproof on bmws...other than the e46 m3 engines

But I really want an M3, which I can get a 95-97 without much or any financial loss by selling my 2000 TL privately...but you guys really made me think, but I still want one...decisions decisions...

SilverCL225hp

You are currently driving a 2000 TL and want to go back to drive a 95 M3? I wouldn't do it if I were you. A 95 M3 in good condition costs around $17k-$20k right? Why not find a newer used car? But that's just my opinion.

TypeSKid

Top Day Trader, u got some badass cars if that's for real.

mmmm

To answer your question, the 95 M3 will allow the greatest horsepower gains. The OBD I does not have the limitations that OBD II has. The 95 has a chip that is a direct swap, where the OBD II has a programmer. There are many other reasons for OBD I over OBD II. One thing I never did was buy was buy the Active Autowerks turbo charger. For OBD I they offer a stage 1 and stage 2 turbocharger. A stage 2 turbocharger for a 95 OBD I M3 delivers 430 HP @ 6850 RPM and 0-60 in 4.2 seconds/quarter mile in 12.2 seconds. Of course Active Autowerks has many more parts to even further performance gains, and by far add the greatest performance of any of the big name BMW tuners. The OBD II turbocharger (96+) delivers 398 HP @ 8.5 psi/0-60 4.66 seconds

I have a 95 M3 for sale now and I will give you a great deal on it.
It currently has a Borla catback exhaust and air intake, and M5 style wheels. I also have the performance chip that adds 19-20 HP, along with a NOS unit that I used with another BMW I owned.

E-mail me at RRSSOC02@sprintpcs.com to talk in further detail. I would be happy to assist you in any way I can.

Mike

mmmm

I have a 95 M3 for you!!
To answer your question, the 95 M3 will allow the greatest horsepower gains. The OBD I does not have the limitations that OBD II has. The 95 has a chip that is a direct swap, where the OBD II has a programmer. There are many other reasons for OBD I over OBD II. One thing I never did was buy was buy the Active Autowerks turbo charger. For OBD I they offer a stage 1 and stage 2 turbocharger. A stage 2 turbocharger for a 95 OBD I M3 delivers 430 HP @ 6850 RPM and 0-60 in 4.2 seconds/quarter mile in 12.2 seconds. Of course Active Autowerks has many more parts to even further performance gains, and by far add the greatest performance of any of the big name BMW tuners. The OBD II turbocharger (96+) delivers 398 HP @ 8.5 psi/0-60 4.66 seconds

I have a 95 M3 for sale now and I will give you a great deal on it.
It currently has a Borla catback exhaust and air intake, and M5 style wheels. I also have the performance chip that adds 19-20 HP, along with a NOS unit that I used with another BMW I owned.

E-mail me at RRSSOC02@sprintpcs.com to talk in further detail. I would be happy to assist you in any way I can.

Mike

Tom2

A BMW M3 will lose HP after 50,000 miles? That's probably one the most ignorant statements I've read on this forum in a long time. After 50,000 miles, the BMW M3 will be just like any other car with an internal combustion engine. You'll be no better or worse off than any other make/model.

As for your question:

It is true that a 95 M3 is OBDI. If you plan on doing semi-serious mods to the M3, then it would be easier to mod the 95 model. The 96-99 M3 is OBD II, which does make it more difficult to mod, but not entirely so.......

That being said, even though the 95 M3 was rated at 240 HP, just like the 96-99 model years, it is well-known that the 96-99 cars were faster.

Personally, I'd try to find the lowest-mileage 99 M3 around. Too bad you didn't want one a year and a half ago- I had a mint 99 M3 (silver, 2 door, man. trans).

haiduc

that's funny, you must still be living in the 80's.



i have a good frined that track races his E36 ltw. the car gets beat to shit and shifted at redline on the track, yet is still performs without any problems on the street.

yet another frined bought a 328ci w/ 63k and the car doesnt seem to fall apart everyday.

the examples go on and on.......... but maybe my friends are just the lucky ones.

topdaytrader

BMW will lost more hp (%) after 50k miles than a Acura after 50k miles. All bimmer owners know that. Btw, 99 M3 is the heaviest and slowest E36 M3.
I'm sorry for your mom. She should spend more money on your education.

topdaytrader

You don't even own a bimmer. So I think you should keep your BS to yourself.

Beltfed

What's your point?, you don't own half of that shit (if not almost all) in your sig line.

DtEW

R&T did an article about the E36 M3 as a performance classic awhile ago. They listed some issues to beware of, which would be very useful to somebody who's in the market for one. When I get home I'll look for it and post the reference.

haiduc

i don't. you're right.

i dont even know anything about cars, or how they work. all my time on this forum was spent in ramblings and contributing erroneous facts to discussion.

i am so sorry, please forgive me by all means. i didnt mean to offend such a well-informed automotive authority such as yourself.

haiduc

there are some problems with the locking mechanism in some cases, as well as water pumps on certian vin numbers. another thing to be weary of is the suspension if you start to modify it with coil-over shock combos.


personally, it's an awesome car. i do want one myself, but am terrified of the insurance rates that come along with it.

i would get a 95 if you're looking for performance because of the OBD-I. 96+ if you're looking for more of the creature comforts such as traction control, climate control, onboard computer......

mmmm

To 1genCL,

The 95 M3 did offer the OBC. I know because the one I currently own has this feature. As for climate control, I never noticed much of a difference. The 95 M3 has knobs that you have to turn, and the later models have buttons to adjust and the temp. was displayed in orange as the rest of the controls in the interior. I also owned a 98 328i before I traded it for a 02 CL S and noticed no difference in this case.

mmmm

To topdaytrader,

I agree with Tom2, your statement that Bimmers lose more HP after 50K than Acuras is stupid! Where are your facts that back up your statements? If you have facts post them and tell us your sources.

I happen to own a BMW M3 and an Acura CL S. I like them both but realize that they are different cars with some features I like and dislike.

For overall performance I prefer for my M3, however I love my CL S also.

I suggest that before you run your mouth and have such a negative attitude at least say something sensible.

haiduc

thats the one.

the knobs are still every bit as functional. it's all a matter of preference.

topdaytrader

Read my sig. I own both cars too and I bought my M3 brand new. Now it has over 80k miles on it. You can definitely tell its much weaker than when its brand new. Low end tq is pretty much gone.

Btw, Beltfed. You can kiss my ass. I bet you don't own anything on your sig.

mmmm

Tom2

96-99 M3 were faster? Do you mean 0-60, quarter mile, or something else?

Post the performance figures that you have for the 95, and 96-99 M3's and I'll compare them to the figures I have.

I must say that any M3 95-99 is a great car, but over time new models come out and improvements are made. It is my hope that cars continue to evolve and get better, whether they be BMW's or otherwise.

Sinned TL,

I hope that you make the choice that YOU are happy with. You are the one that will be driving the vehicle not us. Everyone has an opinion, but you should trust yourself.

SinnedTL

Thanks for the offer but I'm still researching, still have about 6000 dollars to pay off on my car in order to get the title, which might happen anytime...but I am not in a hurry but I do want to get one within the next six months for sure ...I just want to ask how much insurance would be for a 23 year old male with a clean record...for an e36 used M3?

thanks, Den

mmmm

todaytrader,

Read your own post:

BMW will lost more hp (%) after 50k miles than a Acura after 50k miles. All bimmer owners know that. Btw, 99 M3 is the heaviest and slowest E36 M3.
I'm sorry for your mom. She should spend more money on your education.


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I thing YOUR MOM should be the sorry one buddy.

BMW will lost more hp (%) after 50k miles than a Acura after 50k miles. All bimmer owners know that. Btw, 99 M3 is the heaviest and slowest E36 M3.

How about BMW's will loose more HP, not lost more hp stupid.

As for my sig, I don't have anything listed. Are you an emotional wreck or something? You are quick to judge and fail to be observant. If you want to pick everyone apart, expect the same treatment.

It makes me laugh that you have to act like a little BITCH and tell me to kiss your ass, then post a picture of a Porsche like I give a shit. What should I post, a picture of a car and give a stupid response? Well, no I gave up grade schools games years ago.

GET A LIFE YOU IDIOT! This site is not to talk shit, it's to share ideas and opinions.

I don't expect you to comprehend this because if you did you would do the crap you do!

Please anyone else reading this, post some feedback!

Shawn S

Topdaytrader,

You’re the biggest BULLSHITTER on this entire site. And that’s saying a lot.

You’ve been “called out” as a liar so many times in the past I’ve lost count.
And posting photos of someone else’s Porsche isn’t proof enough for THIS crowd.

Shawn S

Beltfed

You can post black 996 Turbo pics up the wing wang you troll, I don't believe you. So, if you truly do own these cars, it doesn't matter what I think. But I thought you were full of shit the first time you posted awhile back and I still think you're full of shit. You type like you're in the 6th grade.

Yup, I don't have an Acura or a Viper......I just hang around here and Viperclub just for the fuck of it.

Forgot to add, I had a 95 M3 and a 00 Mcoupe. But since I don't own them anymore.....they are not included in the sig below.

mmmm

Shawn S & Beltfed,

Thanks for your responses.

MMMM

importtuner

Wait topdaytrader, I don't want to start a flame or anything but you mentioned in your sig that the 911 Turbo you own has the X50 package. Well don't the turbos with the X50 package have dual oval exhausts instead of the single oval???
-Justin

topdaytrader

LOL...Dual oval exhausts are optional. So don't pretend you know about Porsche. Damn ricers~

Beltfed

Yup, all guys who have $200k+ worth of cars speak and act like you do . Are you even tall enough to reach the steering wheel? Do you just prop yourself up on a big thick yellow pages?

Instead of worrying about people who pretend that they know about Porsches, why don't you start by "not" pretending that you own one........that's worse, don't you think?

Oh and you forgot to mention that the optional exhaust is X54 on the order form.

topdaytrader

How about this? Post a pic of your viper key infront of Acura-CL.com website. I'll do the same w/my 996TT key. If you can't do it, then shut da fuck up.

Six Shifter

There are sooo many things wrong with the statements made in this thread, its hard to know where to begin! Dunbar said you'll spend $1k every 15k for tires (I got 33k on my original Michelins, and have 19K on the replacement Pilot Sports which still have over half their tread-life left on them), some rediculous figure about yearly maintenance, and some comments on shock/brake replacement ... I'm still on oem pads and am not even close to failing any state inspection. One of the things DtEW was alluding to is a warning to stay away from ANY M3 which has had the chip replaced, as you can assume that the owner had the sole intention of abusing his M3. mmmm asked for some feedback, but the only thing I saw that really stood out was his comment "How about BMW's will loose more HP, not lost more hp stupid." Loose is the change in your pocket ... lose is the correct term wrt horsepower loss in the context being used. And insurance is going to cost a bundle until you hit the magic 25, or get/are married. When I purchased my new M3 in '98, the insurance cost for the M3 and the 328 were exactly the same, which was the deciding factor in my going for the M3. Mine has 52K+ miles on it, is clean, would be considered certified if it was being sold by any BMW dealership, and will go a long way in bringing down the price for whatever I decide to replace it with, which, depending on how they turn out, could be the new '04 6 series coupe, or the '04 Audi Coupe - especially if they have an S4 version. I'd suggest you'd be better off seeing if a dealer has any on his lot "with a full service history", becuz you never know what you're going to get if you go private ... unless you know the person or they also have a complete svc history.

Beltfed

I can give you a photo of my key right now, took this 5 months ago.........also, why don't you go look up my username on Viperclub (JG) and see what you find.

Better yet, here's a thread to spare you the time, just scroll down a bit.

http://vca1.viperclub.org/ubb/Forum14/HTML/004558.html