BMW M5 - Any thoughts on this car? I think they're like 70K new, any thoughts on them? How do they compare to M3's, worth the money, or if you have that much should you just get an 80k porshe??

Just curious.

 

They are badass. Four door sedan that is simply a beast. Don't compare it with a porsche or the m3. If you want to look at competition you'll want to take a look at the the new RS6 and RS8 from audi. Mercedes Benze will also be releasing a M5 competitior.

 

396hp seats five comfortably. enough said.

 

Mercedes new E55 with 460hp I think is what your talking about.

 

a guy at my work just bought one, it's fuckin bad ass!

 

My boss paid $8K mark-up when it came out last year.

 

Out of all those (E55AMG, RS6) it is the only one that comes with a 6 speed and handles much better. Buy the Automobile mag for novemeber, they did a comparison. That car is a beast disguised as a sedan. I rode in a red one once and it is just gorgeous on the inside with the 2 tone red/black leather. The blue color is really hot too.

 

I drove a 99 E55, & also a 00 M5. And I mean drove for a week at a time. The M5 just kicked ass! So much a sportier car. The Benz is more a lux car. I really don't like BMW's, but the M5 is one of only 2 I would ever get. The 850CI, with the 6 speed is the other.

 

have you thought about the Benz S500 it's a 4-door 300 hp (v-8) plus you can get 4matic it starts at about 80 grand. your a big dog if your rolling in a 500 class benz(also a M5 your a big dog)

but if you can wait till 04 the CTS will be offered with the LS1 motor(the old Camero SS motor) which has like 400 hp i think they said it's like 400 HP. It will be a animal.

 

The CTS V will actually be using the LS6 motor from the ZO6....putting out 400hp.

 

Uh ah, no way you put that cheezy ass CVS into this thread as an alternative to the m5, no way.

m5 is ferious, enough said. However, the new Benz e55 is hot stuff as well.

 

Cheesy or not, the $45k CTS V is going to give the E39 M5 a big run for the money. The CTS V is going to have a different exterior treatment, 18in wheels, 6spd, different interior/seats......two words, bad ass.


M5 is a great car, it's just dated as shit and looks it.

 

Why get an $80K Porsche?! Granted it might handle superbly, but it's not as fast as you would think. The heavier M5 sedan matches its 0-60mph time. By the way, the 911 lists for $75K-ish and I'd bet you couldn't buy too many options for $5K. In short, CLUofI summed it up nicely - "396hp seats five comfortably. enough said."

If there's a downside with the M5, it's that it'll be re-designed shortly. Nobody likes to drive last season's rig!

Props to grandpa's Caddillac for attempting to compete, but 400hp doesn't come close anymore. You kow the totals for the new E55 and RS6 ... the next gen M5 is rumored to be a 500hp V10. Where do I send my deposit?!

 

I'll just say this...

The last Chicago meet, someone there had an ///M5 and I got to go for a ride in it.

I had to throw away my undies afterwards because I shit myself countless times. The car is simply amazing.

 

400hp doesn't cut it anymore (not too many sedans have that kind of power)? The CTS is a small car and will no doubt haul ass, word has it the V handles amazing also. Don't forget its going to cost like $45k, the new E55 is going to be around $80-$85k and the RS6 is $85k (another stupidly fast car in an old body).....so even if the CTS can ride on their coat tails, that won't be so bad at its price point.

Where do you send your deposit?, that should be "When do you send your deposit," because if you don't know where to go...that's a problem.

 

One of the latest spy reports (don't recal the mag) stated the preliminary testing had the CTS 3 seconds faster around the Nuerbergring then the new M3....not too shabby!!

 

The M3 has no torque in comparison. Besides, its a high-revving motor that probably requires the driver to keep the revs awfully high to extract max performance.

 

CONGRATULATIONS johnny rad...Thats the best answer for the ORIGINAL question
M3 high reving motor....M5 EASY POWER.

anyways...i would compare the 2 also cuz the performance is the almost the same when it comes to 0-60 and 1/4 mile.
M5 more room ofcourse..

i personnaly like the m3...sleeker and a coupe.

PH

 

the M5 is definitely worth the money...but in that same 80K price range the Porsche 911 4S has got AWD and crazy power. the caddy may be cheaper, but its not gonna be the same, not even close...

both are crazy cars to drive, and i can personally vouch for the 4S having driven my brother-in-laws through a few choice roads in florida. but if you really wanna see what each cars made up of, check out Top Gears videos on kazaa. i havent seen one for a porsche, but the Top Gear M5 Test Drive definitely shows you what the car is capable of doing

 

Congrats, you win the "broadest" statement award.....for today anyway.

You shouldn't judge the way cars drive before they even hit the dealerships, it turns one's argument to doody real fast.

 

I'm usually all import dude but if you look at bang for your buck
a 400 HP Caddy for the 50 grand range
vs 80 grand for M5. you could put the stereo system from hell in it ,19 or 20s on it, and still have some cash left over.

if i remember right the motor they are putting in the Z06 motor from the vette if they do that will OWN

 

Why are you comparing the CTS to the M5???? The CTS-V should be compared to the M3. From the stats I have heard of the CTS, it will be pretty quick, but probably not an M beater.

 

For $75K, I'll take the M5 but always wonder about the RS6.
For $50K, I'd be looking at a M3, C32, A6 4.2 Quattro and GS430.
If I were a limo or taxi driver, I'd check out Caddy.

* MotorTrend has an as-tested price of $91K for a C4 and $115 for a Turbo. Granted these are as-tested prices, but a C4S would sit in between these two. Therefore, a C4 or C4S should not be considered an ~$80K car.

Nevermind! Since we're comparing an M5 to a M3 to a Caddy, price obviously doesn't matter. Instead, we should start a new thread of "what car would you take above all others?!"

Rock on

 

A6 4.2......Boring and dated (brother has an A6 2.7T)
GS430......nice, but dated and no manual
C32........nice, but no manual, interior blows
M3..........very nice, questionable reliability but I would consider it.


No, thats not stereotyping.......a 400hp small Caddy with a 6spd, yeah thats boring

 

Why not? Both essentially have 400hp......granted, there is a price difference but whatever. They compare the ZO6 to the Viper constantly, I would say there is a price difference there.

We'll see, pretty quick will be an understatment though....if the car truly has 400hp, I would look for 4.7-5.0sec 0-60 times.

 

The CTS is a competitor to the 3 series, not 5. It hasnt been confirmed yet what engine will be used in the CTS-V. It supposedly will be either the LS6 or LS1, which are both great engines. I will wait and see the actual stats and performance numbers. GM claimed that the regular CTS was a 3 series beater before it was introduced.

 

That is true, but now that Lutz is around.....he's serious about getting competitive. Even he's on public record for saying the CTS interior basically stinks. So, the interior is on its way to being redesigned.

I have faith that the CTS V will be a ridiculously sick car, but we shall see.

 

Maybe the GS is a bit dated, but its performance speaks for itself. I'd probably pass, too. However, the slower paced A6 4.2 is aging gracefully and will continue to do so. Which auto will be viewed as timeless in a few decades ... this gen Audi (A4/6/8/TT). Either way, both cars serve up more luxury than you'll find elsewhere at this price point.

If performance is your ticket (and I believe this means you, Beltfed), get the M3 or Vette (maybe Z06?). If you've got to compromise a bit here with two more doors, get the C32 (yes, the interior blows - especially the speedo).

Beltfed - What are your choices for $50K?! You're on the spot. Time to hit the back of the magazines and check prices. I think you'll find few better choices.

 

$50k huh, well right this very minute the choices are slim....but give it some more time and we'll have a few more contenders. Performance is my top priority, I'll give up a bit of interior quality/lux features for great performance. I had a 99 Vette 6spd for a little while.

All available with manuals

1. M3.....currently available
2. Audi S4.....coming soon, should be very close to $50k
3. Volvo S60R.....coming soon, will be around $45k+
4. Caddy CTS V.....coming soon, will be around $45k.

 

Why not a Z06 on that list? It will give your Viper all it can handle acceleration wise and show you its taillights in the twisties.

 

S4 - Great choice. I should have known it would be in the $50K range. You're the man!

Anyhow, I think the CTS looks good in a two-tone Maybach-esque exterior paint scheme. You?

 

guys lets not do the domestic vs. import thing again. I thing the cts v will be pretty cool...but I personally think i should be compared to slk 32 amg, M roadster or vette, as they all are convertible 2 seaters.

The m5 rocks, and is unbelieveably luxarurious. I beats the SHIT out of the older e55 amgs (course the new ones have more power, so now bimmer has to get creative).

If given a choice, I think I would actually chose an M3 coupe with all possible options, rather than an m5, cause the handling and performance are ROUGHLY the same (very roughly, like sand paper rough), and i just love smg.

Course, if the new M5 will have smg...ill start saving my pennies now

BTW you'll be hard pressed to find a m3 for $50k or less...unless its ABSOLUTELY base. Closer to $60 is more realistic i think

 

Personally, I think the old gen S4 will be a better car than the newer one. The older one got heavier and isnt much faster. Also, the mods for the TT S4 are good on the "bang for the buck" factor.

 

One, I already had a Vette......been there done that.

Two, I have bitch slapped several ZO6s with my car to date (01 and 02s).

Three, I live on Long Island....there are no twisties.

Four, a ZO6 should only look half as good as a Viper GTS.

The ZO6 is an incredible car for $50k (I have driven a bunch of them). But I'll take my Slopar over one all day long.

If I had to choose which one to drive everday, the ZO6 no contest.

 

Stop.....the M5 is the better performing car, acceleration and handling. But by no means does it beat the shit out of an E55. Even C&D who are 100% BMW sluts to the Nth degree, give mad props to the E55 (its not as hard edged as the M5). It scored a 95 in a late comparison, the M5 scored a 97.

 

The regular C5s are totally different cars than a Z06. I had a chance to drive my friends 01' 6 speed with Borla Stingers, B&M short throw, and intake. It was a very fast car, but nothing compared to his 02' Z06. We switched cars and went to the Z06 and I was amazed at how different the 2 cars were. For the money, you cant beat the Z06. It takes a beating and comes back for more.

He has told me stories of how he has killed a few Viper's on the streets and at the track (road course)

 

The standard C5 is a different animal, but its still a Vette...they look the same inside and out (didn't want another one). I agree, the ZO6 cannot be beat for $50k, it just can't.

Without a doubt, the ZO6 is the easier car to drive on the track and handle very well....in many cases, they do pass Vipers on the track.

Acceleration wise, Vipers have varied in power of the years, some cars run stronger than others. My car happens to run very strong and is a complete animal, I'm sure I'll never have another car that was this fast again (at least for awhile anyway).

 

So how about mods? I know you can mod the M3s and I've seen that before, I'm sure you can do the same for an M5, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone with a modded M5. I've personally never really liked Mercedes very much... How's the reliability of Vipers?... I know vettes kinda screw up after 40K. Also same w/ the M3/5 how reliable are they in the long term?? (I know you can get used ones for 50K)... still curious.

 

well wait the old ones had like 350 hp compared to the 400 of m5 right? doesnt that ammount to an asswooping. Im not saying that both cars are not incredible machines of course...

 

The M5 has been one of my favorites since it came out. But now that MB is coming out with the new E55, i think i have a new favorite. I saw in car & driver( i think thats which mag) that the new E55 will run the 1/4 mile in 12.5! thats a good bit quicker than the M5/M3