I had to go for the M3 also. How can you not.

 

lets not get carried away here..

 

M3 or CTS-V thread?

 

He said he would consider the CTS-V...but he would do research. Mods...can you add CTS-V to the title and poll or is it not possible?

 

RACE RACE RACE RACE RACE RACE!

 

Between the M3 and IS-F, I'd take the IS.

Obviously the M3 is a better driver's car, but BMWs are overrated. Everyone and their mother has one. Get something different. I still like them, and when I see a nice one I do notice. When I do see an IS-F, which is rarely, I take my time to look at it. The IS has always been a beautiful car. Still is.

If your cousin isn't worried about technical stats, why doesn't he just buy the one that feels better to him? The IS sounds like a better car for him. Comfortable seats, nice interior, and a beautiful exterior that oozes class that's badass. Ride quality is subjective. Some say the IS is hard as a rock while others say it isn't that bad.

I'm not that impressed with the style of the M3. I hate the regular 3-Series coupe headlights, and they put them on the M3 sedan. The M3 looks too much like a regular 3-Series. The interior is kind of boring too, but that goes with the "driver oriented" style, I guess.

The fact that the stacked exhaust on the Lexus is faux is pretty lame though...

 

^^^ Everyone and their mother uses toilet paper. So does that mean you use something different?

 

Being from the Dallas area like the OP, it's a bit of the other way around here.

My .

 

Probably too late. A lot of people would switch their vote like me and we already voted.

 

No, I'm with everyone else on that issue.

 

If BMW's are overrated then why does everyone and their mother have one? Clearly that should state something about how good of a drivers car they are. I'm not and never have been a fan of the IS, I think the IS-F is just taking a turd, polishing it, and then leaving it out in the rain again. It's truly not a very nice car to look at.

I suppose one good thing about the IS-F is with its huge bulging hood if you ever felt the need to run over someone it would be likely to be a kill shot rather than injure them, so I guess that huge hood does come in handy for some things. Again, BMW being a better drivers car aside, give me a C63 and it's gobs of torque any day over an M3.

 

Overrated wasn't the right word. Regardless, everyone and their dog has one. I don't think being the best driver's car has anything to do with its popularity. It does among enthusiast, but not the everyday-average buyer, who is probably 50% of those who buy them. If I had $1 for every 20 to 40 year old woman that I saw driving a 3-Series, I'd probably have enough to buy one myself. I doubt all of those women bought them because it outperforms all the other cars in its class. If I had to guess why, it was because the badge has a blue and white propeller on it. Maybe it was because it was "cute." Or most likely because "my neighbor bought an Audi, and I thougth this was better anyways." Enthusiasts, like you and me, made the 3-Series popular, not the everyday consumer.

I do agree that BMWs usually are the best driver's car. I test drove a 335i conv. and a 328i sedan. I liked them both, they just weren't my style.

Like you, I'd take the C63 over the others too.

 

^ You would take the C63 but you dont consider the c-class popular? They are all over the roads just like the 3series are.

 

The C-class, IS, CTS, A4 and 3series are all damn popular. You see them everywhere.

I think its silly that you wouldnt get the high performance version of them just because the lower models are common. What would be left then? Hell most people have no clue whats the difference between a C300 and a C63 is. Even sometimes i have a hard time noticing a difference between an S4 and A4!

Just buy what you enjoy driving!

 

The C-Class is just as popular as the 3-Series, but the C63 looks different from a regular C300/C350. The M3's body isn't too far from the 335i/328i other than wheels and a coupe face. Lexus IS is popular too but again, the IS-F looks like the faster sibling that it is. If I'm paying more for a better car, I better get a body thats sexier than average too.

 

I just wouldn't want something everyone else has. That's why I said in the beginning I would take the IS-F. I see BMWs every day. I hardly, if ever, see an IS-F.

 

I didn't like the C63 before... but it would be a toss up for me between the M3 and C63 today. However, the free maintenance/oil change with the M3 would be enticing

 

How are you going to compare a whole brands popularity to one lexus model?

Unless you mean to say you wouldnt want an M3 since everyone has them, so instead you rather have an IS-F since not many have those? I can understand that reason as it makes more sense.

Then again i dont see many M3 sedan or IS-F around here all that often.

 

Honestly, not buying a car just because other people have them is retarded. All that should matter is if you like the car. why anyone would want to limit their possibilities for driving a car that they are paying for just because your neighbor has one is Are you buying the car to impress other's or to enjoy for yourself?

And to add, you say you see BMW's everyday, so that's why you'd buy an IS-F? So I take it you must not see very many IS's on the road?

Out of curiosity, you wouldn't happen to own or know someone that owns a red vette would you?

 

Thats what I meant.

The IS-F's exclusivity where I live would persuade me, but I wouldn't buy it just because of that. I already said I didn't like the BMWs (M3) style. Style meaning the whole car. I don't care for the look, don't care for the interior, etc. Nothing about the BMW (M3) excites me except for maybe the engine/exhaust note.

 

Honestly, not buying a car just because other people have them is retarded. All that should matter is if you like the car. why anyone would want to limit their possibilities for driving a car that they are paying for just because your neighbor has one is Are you buying the car to impress other's or to enjoy for yourself?

I know other people that have cars just like mine. One is actually just right down the street. I knew she had it before I bought mine, and I actually talked to her about the car before I ultimately purchased mine.

And to add, you say you see BMW's everyday, so that's why you'd buy an IS-F? So I take it you must not see very many IS's on the road?

Not many. Especially not an IS-F. There is one that runs around my area, and everytime I see it,

Out of curiosity, you wouldn't happen to own or know someone that owns a red vette would you?

 

Ya, you're right Rick. Today I saw 5 IS-F's actually and no M3's...then again I see 1 M3 a day and no IS-F's until like 2 days.

 

Lexus sucks. Bad ride, bad back seat.

 

Bland driving feel.

 

See what Top Gear said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwaYyabTr7c

 

Someone already told us what Top Gear said.

 

well if we can pick other cars I'd go with this but it comes out next year.

 

CTS-V wagon!!

although its not out yet

 

Generalization. Both my ladies loves BMW because they are blast to drive. Yes, both can drive stick, and knows a thing or two about heel and toe.

In case you don't know majority of woman would choose the 3 pointed star over the blue and white propeller.

 

Lets see.

Difference between C63 and regular C on apperance- quad exhaust, body kits, rear diffuser, sits lower, way bigger tires/rims.

Difference between M3 and regular 3 series- quad exhaust, body kits, rear diffuser, sits lower. and way bigger tires/rims.

How is the situation different?

 

That car isn't remotely comparable to the others, just like the RS4 wasn't comparable to the M3/C63/IS-F, partly due to the fact that the starting price was something like $20k higher. If I were shopping these cars Audi would get very little consideration since the cost of a car with similar performance numbers is often $20-$30k higher.

 

M3. Wouldn't even hesitate.

 

voted M3.

but that's mostly based on looks. haven't driven either.

agree with the sentiments that at this kind of price, reliability and depreciation may not be that big of an issue.

 

M3, because it's number of available pedals.

 

Bmw m3 ftmfw

 

of course M3..

 

Do the CTS-V and M3 directly compete with each other? Cadillac seems to compare it with the 5 series and E-class.

 

If your cousin wants a coupe, why not wait for the CTS-V coupe?

 

I chose the M3 just on principle but Infiniti! G56 please!!

 

Based on looks and reputation, M3. But I have driven neither. When you're talking about cars like these, test driving is absolutely a must.