teranfon

I certainly think the media is often biased, but I found this interesting.

Good to see all that money will be used in a proper fashion.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/video/10235271/index.html

FiveLiterCheater

Its like helping a crack addict get off a drug...accept in their case, the drug is failing at everything.

Crazy Bimmer

So its better to buy a car thats built before 10am...

Trackruner228

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mrsteve

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Pretty much explains everything.

The Dougler

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I can confirm that this happens at the Windsor plant as well. It's a big problem that Ford is not willing to address.

mrsteve

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Probably because Ford would be on the hook to pay for Alcohol Rehab for these losers. So not only would they likely pay disability while these guys were getting clean, they'd be paying for the treatment as well.

It's cheaper to just turn the other way and keep them on the payroll, even if they're only 20-30% productive.

LuvMyTSX

Wow. They don't seem at all concerned that they may lose their jobs in the coming months. Great work ethic.

The Dougler

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Until somebody DIES. it doesn't matter that their not at work, or that their being paid etc, it matters that their going back to work under the influence and working with dangerous machinery in an environment that could affect others, who's to say that one of these clowns doesn't drive a tow motor inside and could easily kill somebody.

sho_nuff1997

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And Ford is the better of the Big Three.....

mrsteve

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Not saying I agree with it...

mrsteve

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Let's be honest... there's not difference in the labor pool's attitude from GM to Ford to Chrysler. They work for the UAW first and the company second. That's the mentality.

Whiskers

I don't see a problem here....

sho_nuff1997

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I was just saying from a money standpoint.

mcflyguy24

I can't stand lazy pieces of crap like that! Those types can be found in many in many unions and some municipal jobs as well.

teranfon

+1

And that's the problem.

Did everyone else think of Honda automatics during the mention of a transmission plant and possibly impaired workers?

Crazy Bimmer

Most honda trannys are made in japan.

In their defense, they only showed 5 workers out of how many employed? Cant assume most are like that. If so..

teranfon

Really? I never knew that. I assumed they were built in North America.

JS + XES

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fail.

F23A4

Good counterpoint.

The Dougler

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those are probably the line managers.

YeuEmMaiMai

GIMMIE GIMMIE GIMMIE! I want everything NOW!


America's morals as a whole have definately gone down that there preverbial toilet

YeuEmMaiMai

really?

http://www.mwponline.co.uk/News/hond...m_in_us_plants

Honda builds 1+ million transmissions/yr here now. It doesn't really matter where they come from though, the are still giant pos.........

https://www.automotiveworld.com/VMSI...ontentid=69901

according to that article, they produced their 10 millionth transmission this year........

Black Tire

Yep...these a--holes are one of the reasons why the industry is such bas shape.

Gilgamesh

The same is true in any industry. If the kill ratio is low, nobody cares. Additionally, 1 American life is worth 100 or more of any other.

For example: A Boeing 737 disintegrated and crashed, killing everyone on board. The flight was based out of China, I think. The plane's skin came off, due to corrosion and fatigue damage. Nobody here did anything.

A few years later, the skin fails on an Aloha airlines flight, based in Hawaii. One flight attendant gets sucked out and is never found. The pilot lands the plane, and everyone else makes it.

All of a sudden the NTSB observes that the early 737's have a bad lap joint design, that is prone to corrosion and fatigue damage.

We never had internal corrosion damage problems on pipelines in this country. They simply were not corroding. At least not until Carlsbad, NM.

SG81

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so Ford's are built by drunks. that's lovely

Crazy Bimmer

Interesting. All i know is the transmission that had such a bad rep for failing in the V6 Accord/CL/TL were made in Japan.

Of course Honda/Acura have many other models that didnt have transmission issues so maybe they were built here. Could explain why the 04+ TLs have much better transmissions?

Gilgamesh

I think that American workers are still good at what they do, but they have to work under the impression that there is no safety net, no union to bail them out. If they work under that assumption, I would argue that they are more likely to ensure that they are doing quality work, so that they can keep their job.

iTimmy

A company is only as strong as its weakest link....

kneedragger87

I'm almost certain that the transmissions on the third generation (2004-2008) TLs were also built in Japan. I may be wrong though...

YeuEmMaiMai

the 04-05 are same as previous models but with a lot of 'patch work done' also the addition of DBW helped with alleviating the heat load on the clutch packs during shifting. Also power is limited in the first two gears.

The casings were redesigned mid 2005 model year and all reman units started using them so they hold up better..

go into the 3rd gen tl forum and the 04-05 guys are bitching about shittay transmissions and a higher than normal replacement rate......that's why when I get a TL it is going to be an 06-08 model....


According to the summary posted in the 2nd gen CL forum, the japanese clutch packs actually hold up better but they will still fail prematurely due to insufficient lubrication and high shift temps...

Shoofin

I got three letters for you.... U - A - MUTHA FKN W

Do you really think Ford can control this? It's the UAW that are controlling the employees and letting them do all this shit..

srika

geez when I started watching I was like, damn, they sure are spending a lot of time at the bar after work... didn't realize until they mentioned it that it was going on DURING work..

the video was hilarious and sad, at the same time.

Will Y.

I'm pretty sure Ford can (and should) suspend or fire these clowns pretty easily, even under the collective bargaining agreement with the UAW.

Pure Adrenaline

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This is just profoundly disturbing on so many different levels that I don't know where to begin.

In my opinion, the root cause is the UAW.

Brandon24pdx

Well Ford technically hasn't asked for any bailout money but these UAW workers still piss me off. Overpaid underworked clowns. The U.S. should stick to what it does best: weapons, computer software, entertainment and designer jeans Let the rest of world have the auto industry...those are the ones everyone wants anyway.

Gfaze

The UAW, which is supposed to look out for their workers, is killing the big 3 with their ridiculous union contracts. Because of that, it's most likely gonna cost a lot of workers their jobs. I say let the big 3 file bankruptcy so they can get out of those union contracts and set up wages, benefits, etc. like Honda, Toyota, BMW, etc. Those companies are doing much better and they still pay their workers fair wages.