AWD cars without Transverse Engine Layout
01-24-2011, 05:15 PM
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AWD cars without Transverse Engine Layout
I've been looking at cars with AWD and without the transverse engine layout but can't find any decent ones. Either the interior is too small or not enough power.
I'd like to find a used but solid car or wagon with a great AWD system like a Subaru (I don't like the H engines either) so no subies, any recommendations?
I've considered the IS 250 AWD but it's kinda under power. The Audi s4's too, but there's really no room to work on in the engine bay. Something practical for the long run.
I'd like to find a used but solid car or wagon with a great AWD system like a Subaru (I don't like the H engines either) so no subies, any recommendations?
I've considered the IS 250 AWD but it's kinda under power. The Audi s4's too, but there's really no room to work on in the engine bay. Something practical for the long run.
01-24-2011, 07:26 PM
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01-25-2011, 04:56 AM
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So why the hate on Subie engines?
Unless you've owned one, or worked extensively on them, what gives?
Unless you've owned one, or worked extensively on them, what gives?
01-25-2011, 06:27 AM
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Every consider a EvoX? The EvoX's S-AWC AWD system might be transverse, but it is just as good or not better than STI's DCCD awd system.
So what do you have against transverse layouts? and a more important question, what do you have against boxer engines!!! :P
So what do you have against transverse layouts? and a more important question, what do you have against boxer engines!!! :P
01-25-2011, 09:29 AM
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Nothing gives, I just personally think that if the engine will power the rear wheels, it should face the rear (stronger gearing, I think) and again personally I thing a transverse will potentially wear much faster/ have more problems down the road.
Ever see a heavy duty truck have a transverse engine layout? There's a reason for that. I just can't find the link off the top of my head now.
As far as the Subies, nothing wrong with them, I just would prefer my cylinders not be so close to the oil pan (Flat H design vs. V), rather on top so potential oil does not seep through the cylinders down the road. Just a personally preference.
Price? The lower the better but I think I can go up to 30g.
Ever see a heavy duty truck have a transverse engine layout? There's a reason for that. I just can't find the link off the top of my head now.
As far as the Subies, nothing wrong with them, I just would prefer my cylinders not be so close to the oil pan (Flat H design vs. V), rather on top so potential oil does not seep through the cylinders down the road. Just a personally preference.
Price? The lower the better but I think I can go up to 30g.
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01-25-2011, 09:38 AM
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I've worked on FWD and AWD vehicles, I've never seen anything from layout that would cause one to wear more than the other. I would agree transverse are in general more difficult to work on.
Serious 4WD systems in frame type vehicles I agree prefer a longitudinal layout approach. But I've seen many CRV, MDX's and Pilots (with less capable AWD system) with over 200K miles with no problems in the drivetrain.
Also Sub's with their flat motors are very reliable, they have ALOT of experience in this motor type (going back to the 70's). So I would even worry about the oil system and cylinder orientation.
Serious 4WD systems in frame type vehicles I agree prefer a longitudinal layout approach. But I've seen many CRV, MDX's and Pilots (with less capable AWD system) with over 200K miles with no problems in the drivetrain.
Also Sub's with their flat motors are very reliable, they have ALOT of experience in this motor type (going back to the 70's). So I would even worry about the oil system and cylinder orientation.
Nothing gives, I just personally think that if the engine will power the rear wheels, it should face the rear (stronger gearing, I think) and again personally I thing a transverse will potentially wear much faster/ have more problems down the road.
Ever see a heavy duty truck have a transverse engine layout? There's a reason for that. I just can't find the link off the top of my head now.
As far as the Subies, nothing wrong with them, I just would prefer my cylinders not be so close to the oil pan (Flat H design vs. V), rather on top so potential oil does not seep through the cylinders down the road. Just a personally preference.
Ever see a heavy duty truck have a transverse engine layout? There's a reason for that. I just can't find the link off the top of my head now.
As far as the Subies, nothing wrong with them, I just would prefer my cylinders not be so close to the oil pan (Flat H design vs. V), rather on top so potential oil does not seep through the cylinders down the road. Just a personally preference.
01-25-2011, 10:48 AM
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I think your list of concerns with transverse AWD layouts are pretty negligible, but there's no point in getting a car you're not satisfied with, I guess.
BMW 3 series, Infiniti G, I'm sure they make AWD versions of their other models as well. Does Lexus have a GS AWD?
Are you looking at new?
BMW 3 series, Infiniti G, I'm sure they make AWD versions of their other models as well. Does Lexus have a GS AWD?
Are you looking at new?
01-25-2011, 11:02 AM
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01-25-2011, 11:06 AM
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I think your list of concerns with transverse AWD layouts are pretty negligible, but there's no point in getting a car you're not satisfied with, I guess.
BMW 3 series, Infiniti G, I'm sure they make AWD versions of their other models as well. Does Lexus have a GS AWD?
Are you looking at new?
BMW 3 series, Infiniti G, I'm sure they make AWD versions of their other models as well. Does Lexus have a GS AWD?
Are you looking at new?
01-25-2011, 12:12 PM
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01-25-2011, 12:14 PM
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Little hard to explain, but in a transverse layout there has to be more gears to transfer the power to the rear, which equals more friction --> more heat --> more "stuff" that can go wrong/break/wear out. And it just does not seem "beefy" enough for me.
01-25-2011, 03:07 PM
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Honestly, if you think there are issues with flat 6 and flat 4 motors, the Porsche must have made a big mistake a long time ago.
Go drive a Subie or an Evo then give us an opinion.
Go drive a Subie or an Evo then give us an opinion.
01-25-2011, 03:18 PM
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Subarus can last 250K+ miles...true story. The CG is not compromised either because they have the boxer engine
Audi A4, A5, A6, A8
Cadillac CTS
MB C300, E350, S550
Lexus IS, GS, LS600
Infiniti G, M
Chrysler 300
Dodge Charger, Magnum
Audi A4, A5, A6, A8
Cadillac CTS
MB C300, E350, S550
Lexus IS, GS, LS600
Infiniti G, M
Chrysler 300
Dodge Charger, Magnum
01-25-2011, 03:38 PM
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Exactly, the CG is better, because it sits lower, so the motor does not work as hard fighting the "V" and no balance shafts in an inline configuration. Very smooth power delivery (my 3.0 gives me 80% plus of available torque from about 1000 rpm's).
And the engines, as long as they are maintained as per the service schedule, last a long time. So why the adversity of being near the oil pan? A bad experience?
And the engines, as long as they are maintained as per the service schedule, last a long time. So why the adversity of being near the oil pan? A bad experience?
01-25-2011, 04:19 PM
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Virtually every modern piston-engined light aircraft in use today uses a boxer engine configuration.
No problem going with personal preferences, it is entirely the OP's right to do so. Just to clarify though in the name of science, boxer configuration engines are as reliable as a sundial if properly constructed.
No problem going with personal preferences, it is entirely the OP's right to do so. Just to clarify though in the name of science, boxer configuration engines are as reliable as a sundial if properly constructed.
01-25-2011, 06:39 PM
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OP. Although I loath Audi drivers, the S-4 quattro is pretty fucking hot. Is it worth $55K? That is up to the pocketbook.
01-25-2011, 06:57 PM
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Nothing gives, I just personally think that if the engine will power the rear wheels, it should face the rear (stronger gearing, I think) and again personally I thing a transverse will potentially wear much faster/ have more problems down the road.
Ever see a heavy duty truck have a transverse engine layout? There's a reason for that. I just can't find the link off the top of my head now.
As far as the Subies, nothing wrong with them, I just would prefer my cylinders not be so close to the oil pan (Flat H design vs. V), rather on top so potential oil does not seep through the cylinders down the road. Just a personally preference.
Price? The lower the better but I think I can go up to 30g.
Ever see a heavy duty truck have a transverse engine layout? There's a reason for that. I just can't find the link off the top of my head now.
As far as the Subies, nothing wrong with them, I just would prefer my cylinders not be so close to the oil pan (Flat H design vs. V), rather on top so potential oil does not seep through the cylinders down the road. Just a personally preference.
Price? The lower the better but I think I can go up to 30g.
I still dont think your reasoning to not want the specific layout is a valid point as if any are going to have issues it has more to do with manufacturer design than the way its mounted.
01-25-2011, 11:18 PM
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I'll sell you a longitudinally mounted FWD vehicle, you have two to choose from 
01-26-2011, 04:04 AM
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01-26-2011, 06:26 AM
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FWIW any concerns about the oil pan being too close to the cylinders probably have been addressed by the engineers who designed the car. Just sounds like a quicker warm-up time to me 
If you're worried about internal friction/gears or whatever, why are you considering AWD cars?
If you're worried about internal friction/gears or whatever, why are you considering AWD cars?