Auto Start/Stop Discussion Thread
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Not sure on others, but the Fords with auto s/s, they say to let sit at least 15-20 minutes before draining the oil. Guess it must do something to hold oil in the block, rather than immediately draining to the pan
#43
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I mentioned above that the Prius and other hybrids do not have a starter. They (Atkinson cycle) also operate different than most automotive combustion engines (Otto cycle). I don't know what the difference is in regards to wear and tear, but without a doubt it is higher than otherwise. Whether it is an issue or not, I don't know either.
It could be one of those things that is a new issue entirely, or maybe not at all. I am sure the manufacturers designed things with the start stop in mind, but...
It could be one of those things that is a new issue entirely, or maybe not at all. I am sure the manufacturers designed things with the start stop in mind, but...
One can do this with an uprated starter motor too.
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#48
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Jeep doesn't go past 6th in sport mode, it's very clear that the sport mode is a definite afterthought that's not really meant to be used all that much. Super jerky and weird throttle response, transmission shift pattern is odd, etc...
S2000, on the other hand, is permanently in sport mode all the time and will go into whatever gear I want whenever I damn well please.
S2000, on the other hand, is permanently in sport mode all the time and will go into whatever gear I want whenever I damn well please.
#49
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^ That is one thing I much prefer with the F150 over the Flex. In the Flex, Sport (shift below D on the trans) it locks out 6th gear & shifts a little later & will hold a gear of throttle if you're being a bit more aggressive.
In the truck, it sharpens the throttle response & doesn't lock out any gears, but you have to be doing something like 65mph to get 6th gear..
In the truck, it sharpens the throttle response & doesn't lock out any gears, but you have to be doing something like 65mph to get 6th gear..
#50
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In my commute, more annoying than anything. When it stops, most of the time it will restart within 5-8s. Hate it. This is why, combined with throttle response, I use S mode most of the time,
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5-8 seconds? What?
#52
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I asked the dealer to permanently disabled mine in my F30 335 (when BMW somehow set the default as Always On in 2013)
I manually turned mine off in my 4 series when i picked up the car from the dealer on Day 1. i think the only time i used it was i accidentally pressed the Eco button.
My issue with auto start/stop is the engine and starter wear is not worth saving $20 every year on gas...
Car manuf. does it to comply with EPA regulations and that is all there is to it.
I manually turned mine off in my 4 series when i picked up the car from the dealer on Day 1. i think the only time i used it was i accidentally pressed the Eco button.
My issue with auto start/stop is the engine and starter wear is not worth saving $20 every year on gas...
Car manuf. does it to comply with EPA regulations and that is all there is to it.
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with the x3 you can customize settings. So, default sport mode is stiffer suspension and more aggressive shifting. But I set it up so when I push the button for sport I just get the stiffer suspension. If I want the shifting, too, then I just flip the shifter to the left. I actually like how they implemented that.
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Jeep doesn't go past 6th in sport mode, it's very clear that the sport mode is a definite afterthought that's not really meant to be used all that much. Super jerky and weird throttle response, transmission shift pattern is odd, etc...
S2000, on the other hand, is permanently in sport mode all the time and will go into whatever gear I want whenever I damn well please.
S2000, on the other hand, is permanently in sport mode all the time and will go into whatever gear I want whenever I damn well please.
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I asked the dealer to permanently disabled mine in my F30 335 (when BMW somehow set the default as Always On in 2013)
I manually turned mine off in my 4 series when i picked up the car from the dealer on Day 1. i think the only time i used it was i accidentally pressed the Eco button.
My issue with auto start/stop is the engine and starter wear is not worth saving $20 every year on gas...
Car manuf. does it to comply with EPA regulations and that is all there is to it.
I manually turned mine off in my 4 series when i picked up the car from the dealer on Day 1. i think the only time i used it was i accidentally pressed the Eco button.
My issue with auto start/stop is the engine and starter wear is not worth saving $20 every year on gas...
Car manuf. does it to comply with EPA regulations and that is all there is to it.
My guess is that this has been tested quite extensively before putting it into mainstream cars. I'd definitely buy that BMW doesn't care beyond the warranty period but other makes like Honda and such definitely do. If all those cars started to eat engines and starters as a result would really tarnish their rep and would likely result in a class action. Either way, the testing that goes into a lot of these things is insane and I wouldn't worry about it.
Huh? I think you're talking about the range select thing on the shift knob? Yeah that's not at all what most people think it is, all it does is set the max gear the trans can be in. I never use it because it's pretty worthless unless off road to aid with hill descent. The sport mode on the knob is a different story though, it changes the AWD to rear bias, makes the throttle super touchy, and holds gears far too long. It definitely works, just not well but that shouldn't really come as a surprise.
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Huh? I think you're talking about the range select thing on the shift knob? Yeah that's not at all what most people think it is, all it does is set the max gear the trans can be in. I never use it because it's pretty worthless unless off road to aid with hill descent. The sport mode on the knob is a different story though, it changes the AWD to rear bias, makes the throttle super touchy, and holds gears far too long. It definitely works, just not well but that shouldn't really come as a surprise.
But if I remember reading the forums correctly because I always thought the sport shift sucked, that when you move the shifter to the left and select gears, you're basically telling the jeep what range of gears you want it to use, as opposed to "driving auto-manually" So like if you blip it to 5...the jeep won't shift higher than 5th gear, and it was supposed to be used in conjunction with towing.
This was all when I had first got ours, so it was still 2014 and everything was still new.
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No, mine was only FWD so I didn't have any of that stuff.
But if I remember reading the forums correctly because I always thought the sport shift sucked, that when you move the shifter to the left and select gears, you're basically telling the jeep what range of gears you want it to use, as opposed to "driving auto-manually" So like if you blip it to 5...the jeep won't shift higher than 5th gear, and it was supposed to be used in conjunction with towing.
This was all when I had first got ours, so it was still 2014 and everything was still new.
But if I remember reading the forums correctly because I always thought the sport shift sucked, that when you move the shifter to the left and select gears, you're basically telling the jeep what range of gears you want it to use, as opposed to "driving auto-manually" So like if you blip it to 5...the jeep won't shift higher than 5th gear, and it was supposed to be used in conjunction with towing.
This was all when I had first got ours, so it was still 2014 and everything was still new.
My dial looks like this, if you had FWD then you didn't have this dial:
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with the x3 you can customize settings. So, default sport mode is stiffer suspension and more aggressive shifting. But I set it up so when I push the button for sport I just get the stiffer suspension. If I want the shifting, too, then I just flip the shifter to the left. I actually like how they implemented that.
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That's exactly what comes to mind with these systems. I can't be saving more than a few cents with this gimmick, I'm certain the cost of starter motor replacement would outweigh the savings.
I didn't even think about that, or I mean I didn't even think they would be STUPID enough to lock the steering column too. So your telling me that the engine turns off and the steering wheel locks at intersections in some cases? What a load of bull.
I didn't even think about that, or I mean I didn't even think they would be STUPID enough to lock the steering column too. So your telling me that the engine turns off and the steering wheel locks at intersections in some cases? What a load of bull.
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It does not remember the last setting? that is what happened in 2013 BMWs... annoying as fuk. They changed it to remember the last setting in in 2014.
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But its 2nd nature now to turn the car on and turn off the ECO, I don't even think about it anymore.
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I don't know what ECO means in Durango terms but if my wife's CR-V started in ECO all the time I would be pretty disappointed.
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Not sure about others, but mine has a quite large AGM, $$$ to replace compared to a standard battery.
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Would you beleive me if I told you the 2007+ X5 has a monsterous battery (literally like double the size of a standard one) and in order to change the battery, you have to go to the dealer in order to reprogram the new battery?!?! Holy crap! So a battery change is like a $500 cost. Hell no.
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Pass. Both of my '82 diesel Mercedes had a massive battery, but they were old HP-less but torquey diesels.
#78
Will a slight power-brake override the auto shut-off?
#79
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there are many ways to over ride it... slightly releasing the brake pedal, turn the steering wheel, turn on sport mode and a few more i think. For stick, if i you leave it in first or neutral+ clutch then auto off wont engage.
#80
Had a Chevy Cruze rental the other day, wasn't my choice. But it had a particularly annoying system.
You can't disable it. At all.
The only way you can override it is by putting it in L (basically sport mode for shift logic only) then pressing up to select the highest gear you want to allow. Nobody would know that without researching it.
You can't disable it. At all.
The only way you can override it is by putting it in L (basically sport mode for shift logic only) then pressing up to select the highest gear you want to allow. Nobody would know that without researching it.