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Old Jan 24, 2011 | 07:53 PM
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Anatomy of a Top-Fuel Dragster

If it hasn't been seen, pretty interesting article with video
On the 1000 ft track-3.83 Sec — 321.58 mph

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars...gster?click=pp
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Old Jan 24, 2011 | 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbonut
If it hasn't been seen, pretty interesting article with video
On the 1000 ft track-3.83 Sec — 321.58 mph

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars...gster?click=pp
Sweet. Thanks for sharing that. I hadn't realized about the clutch setup, I thought there was a 2-spd. hydraulically operated gearbox in there.

This is a good read folks, check it out. It's short too, which should blend well with AZer's attention spans.....mine own included.
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Old Jan 24, 2011 | 08:23 PM
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Still miss 1320, the amount of energy and forces in a drag racing are amazing.
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Old Jan 24, 2011 | 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMirror
Sweet. Thanks for sharing that. I hadn't realized about the clutch setup, I thought there was a 2-spd. hydraulically operated gearbox in there.

This is a good read folks, check it out. It's short too, which should blend well with AZer's attention spans.....mine own included.
I thought by the early 90's most drag racers had gone to one speed. Back in the mid-90's a couple teams tried electronic controls for the clutches but they were quickly banned. It brought about pneumatic analog computers to control the clutch plates.
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Old Jan 25, 2011 | 12:18 AM
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Still miss 1320, the amount of energy and forces in a drag racing are amazing.
Agree. I used to watch final eliminations on TV religiously, but once they went to 1000ft., I lost interest. It just isn't the same.
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Old Jan 25, 2011 | 07:22 AM
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A few other interesting facts. In a quarter mile run, the engine will turn not much over 500 times (do the math). This is from launch to race's end.

The g-forces are enough where prolonged racing can threaten separation of the optic nerve from the rear of the eyeball.

The cylinders are filled around 80% with nitromethane during the run.

When you're in the stands, you can smell the nitro quite a bit, and the sound as the dragster goes by is crazy loud. Your clothes actually vibrate (I've seen a number of runs years ago when these cars were only turning in the very low sevens).

This is the one I like. Make a bet with one of your friends. Ask them if you were to take the fast car and put it on an aircraft carrier next to a Navy fighter being launched by catapult, which "vehicle" would make it to the end of the flight deck first? Most everyone is going to think the plane will but that's just not true. A AA/FD will make it there long before the plane will.

A modern AA/FD will hit 100 MPH from a standing start in under 3/4's of a second.

If you were driving a car 200 MPH as you approached a quarter mile starting line and when you hit the line, a AA/FD launched, the dragster would beat you to the finish line.

There's more, but you get the idea. These things are pure violence on wheels. I saw a man killed driving one in 1965 when they were nowhere as quick as they are now.
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Old Jan 25, 2011 | 09:51 AM
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Back in the 90's a computer chip salesman I knew went to Frank Hawley's school in PA as a 50th Birthday present from his wife. He said it was a rush, he drove a alcohol dragster. I don't remember his 1/4 mile time but thought the trap speed was in the 160-170MPH range. It was 2 days and the best gift he ever got from his wife.
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Old Jan 25, 2011 | 09:59 AM
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Awesome article, thanks for posting it!

I had no idea they shortened the track to 1000ft. I guess I don't watch too much drag racing on TV anymore. It makes sense as far as safety goes, but it's weird to try and relate the ETs to the 1/4 miles times back in the day.

Still an incredible amount of parts/money that go into each run.
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Old Jan 25, 2011 | 10:03 AM
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Very cool!
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Old Jan 25, 2011 | 11:38 AM
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8000 hp!

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Old Jan 25, 2011 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by SuperTrooper169
Awesome article, thanks for posting it!

I had no idea they shortened the track to 1000ft. I guess I don't watch too much drag racing on TV anymore. It makes sense as far as safety goes, but it's weird to try and relate the ETs to the 1/4 miles times back in the day.

Still an incredible amount of parts/money that go into each run.
The networks, and a few other channels, mostly only show top fuel, funny car, and pro stock when they broadcast drag racing. Frankly, the only one of those I find interesting to watch more than a little is pro stock.

What I really enjoy are door slammers. Cars that most people who have the time and a few bucks (maybe a couple of local sponsors) can take to the track. I like to watch "Pinks All Out" but even that has started to turn too commercial and dramatic in their editing. I like the show more when they show racing; as in launches and the runs down the track. I wish they would post the E.T. and trap speeds.
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Old Jan 25, 2011 | 11:51 AM
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That article is filled with numbers that just don't make sense to the average person. 73 mph in half a second over ten feet
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Old Jan 25, 2011 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by SouthernBoy
The networks, and a few other channels, mostly only show top fuel, funny car, and pro stock when they broadcast drag racing. Frankly, the only one of those I find interesting to watch more than a little is pro stock.

What I really enjoy are door slammers. Cars that most people who have the time and a few bucks (maybe a couple of local sponsors) can take to the track. I like to watch "Pinks All Out" but even that has started to turn too commercial and dramatic in their editing. I like the show more when they show racing; as in launches and the runs down the track. I wish they would post the E.T. and trap speeds.
I totally agree, as far as TV watching goes, I enjoy Pinks All Out as well since a lot of those cars can be street driven, well, sometimes. I also agree lately it's been a bit dramatic, but it's still a little more relative to an everyday ordinary non-sponsered racer than a NHRA event on TV.

I have to say though, in person, there's nothing like watching a Top Fuel go down the track. It's something everyone should experience at least once in their life to see just how intensely insane these guys are and how loud the cars are. You indeed feel the cars going down the track just as much as you see them, if not more.
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Old Jan 25, 2011 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperTrooper169
Awesome article, thanks for posting it!

I had no idea they shortened the track to 1000ft. I guess I don't watch too much drag racing on TV anymore. It makes sense as far as safety goes, but it's weird to try and relate the ETs to the 1/4 miles times back in the day.

Still an incredible amount of parts/money that go into each run.
They did it after Scott Kalitta was killed in 2008. It is supposed to be a temporary solution until something else is figured out, but that's two years and running now. It's not for all classes, just Top Fuel and Funny Car.

http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/racing...ory?id=3484086
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Old Jan 25, 2011 | 05:09 PM
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Man, I'd love to know the gear and final drive ratio for these bad boys...
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Old Jan 25, 2011 | 05:52 PM
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8000 hp!

As shocking as tht was I think this was even more incredible.

The supercharger, which is just a belt-driven air pump that force-feeds the engine, is so massive that it takes 700 hp to run it.
So it basically takes the more power than a modern Formula 1 engine makes just to turn the freakin' supercharger on these monsters.
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Here's some more facts that were posted here in another thread a while ago...

TOP FUEL ACCELERATION PUT INTO PERSPECTIVE
* One Top Fuel dragster 500 cubic-inch Hemi engine makes more horsepower (8,000 HP) than the first 4 rows at the Daytona 500.

* Under full throttle, a dragster engine consumes 11.2 gallons of nitro methane per second; a fully loaded 747 consumes jet fuel at the same rate with 25% less energy being produced.

* A stock Dodge Hemi V8 engine cannot produce enough power to merely drive the dragster's supercharger.

* With 3000 CFM of air being rammed in by the supercharger on overdrive, the fuel mixture is compressed into a near-solid form before ignition. Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic lock at full throttle.

* At the stoichiometric 1.7:1 air/fuel mixture for nitro methane the flame front temperature measures 7050 degrees F.

* Nitromethane burns yellow. The spectacular white flame seen above the stacks at night is raw burning hydrogen, dissociated from atmospheric water vapor by the searing exhaust gases.

* Dual magnetos supply 44 amps to each spark plug. This is the output of an arc welder in each cylinder.

* Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed during a pass. After 1/2 way, the engine is dieseling from compression plus the glow of exhaust valves at 1400 degrees F. The engine can only be shut down by cutting the fuel flow.

* If spark momentarily fails early in the run, unburned nitro builds up in the affected cylinders and then explodes with sufficient force to blow cylinder heads off the block in pieces or split the block in half.

* Dragsters reach over 300 MPH before you have completed reading this sentence.

* In order to exceed 300 MPH in 4.5 seconds, dragsters must accelerate an average of over 4 G's. In order to reach 200 MPH well before half-track, the launch acce leration approaches 8 G's.

* Top Fuel engines turn approximately 540 revolutions from light to light!

* Including the burnout, the engine must only survive 900 revolutions under load.

* The redline is actually quite high at 9500 RPM.

* THE BOTTOM LINE: Assuming all the equipment is paid off, the crew worked for free, & for once, NOTHING BLOWS UP, each run costs an estimated $1,000 per second.

0 to 100 MPH in .8 seconds (the first 60 feet of the run)
0 to 200 MPH in 2.2 seconds (the first 350 feet of the run)
6 g-forces at the starting line (nothing accelerates faster on land)
6 negative g-forces upon deployment of twin parachutes at 300 MPH
An NHRA Top Fuel Dragster accelerates quicker than any other land vehicle on earth . . quicker than a jet fighter plane . . . quicker than the space shuttle.

The current Top Fuel dragster elapsed time record is 4.420 seconds for the quarter-mile (2004, Doug Kalitta). The top speed record is 337.58 MPH as measured over the last 66' of the run (2005, Tony Schumacher).

Putting this all into perspective: You are driving the average $140,000 Lingenfelter twin-turbo powered Corvette Z06. Over a mile up the road, a Top Fuel dragster is staged & ready to launch down a quarter-mile strip as you pass. You have the advantage of a flying start. You run the 'Vette hard up through the gears and blast across the starting line & pass the dragster at an honest 200 MPH. The 'tree' goes green for both of you at that moment.

The dragster launches & starts after you. You keep your foot down hard, but you hear an incredibly brutal whine that sears your eardrums & within 3 seconds the dragster catches & passes you. He beats you to the finish line, a quarter-mile away from where you just passed him. Think about it - from a standing start, the dragster had spotted you 200 MPH & not only caught, but nearly blasted you off the road when he passed you within a mere 1320 foot long race!
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Old Jan 25, 2011 | 06:24 PM
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The numbers on these things are truly staggering. Hard to comprehend.

8g's = fighter pilot stuff.
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Old Jan 25, 2011 | 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperTrooper169
Putting this all into perspective: You are driving the average $140,000 Lingenfelter twin-turbo powered Corvette Z06. Over a mile up the road, a Top Fuel dragster is staged & ready to launch down a quarter-mile strip as you pass. You have the advantage of a flying start. You run the 'Vette hard up through the gears and blast across the starting line & pass the dragster at an honest 200 MPH. The 'tree' goes green for both of you at that moment.

The dragster launches & starts after you. You keep your foot down hard, but you hear an incredibly brutal whine that sears your eardrums & within 3 seconds the dragster catches & passes you. He beats you to the finish line, a quarter-mile away from where you just passed him. Think about it - from a standing start, the dragster had spotted you 200 MPH & not only caught, but nearly blasted you off the road when he passed you within a mere 1320 foot long race!
Hard to believe and had to read twice, but at 200 mph it would take the Vette 4.51 sec to complete the 1/4 mile, more than the dragster from a dead stop.
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Old Jan 25, 2011 | 07:31 PM
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Absolutely crazy awesome
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