Take a look at this auction. Talk about a nice car. Wow

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevr...68864225QQrdZ1

 

Is there something special about a ZL1 Camaro? Limited edition?


850k is a lot, even for an all original car. Unless its only 1 of 10 or something.

 

Q: okay, I've read through a lot of your Q&A's, but I have to admit that I'm quite green. Why exactly is this car worth so much?
Aug-23-05

A: Well, were do i start? First it has a factory installed aluminum 427 550 horsepower engine. ZL-1 Cars are top of the food chain in performance. They built 69 of them and 2/3 roughly exist today. People love 1969 Camaros. People please help me here. This gentlemen needs enlightenment.




http://contact.ebay.com/ebaymotors/w...lerQuestion_VI

 

super rare, super sought after car, same reason the #'s matching hemi cars are known to fetch as much as 5 million (although this car is probably more rare)

This was the bad of the bad 69 camaros, guys who dreamed about owning one of these now can if they have the money to play. Original examples of rare muscle cars are catching big big bucks these days. Sure you could make a cooler 69 camaro in our eyes for a small fraction of the cost, but it doesn't have the heritage/etc that this one does.

 

$850,800.00 and reserve not met? i dunno. i see your point scott but..rare or not that's too much for a 69 camaro IMO. i'm curious if it will sell.

 

any idea how much more $ this car was than a standard camaro when new?

 

what about the COPO camaros?

 

couple grand I think. I hear ya though, i have no clue why some of the hemi convertable cars catch close to 5 million. I guess that's what happens when men dream of having something then end up w/ more money then they know what to do with

 

Yeah true....can't imagine anything that was made in America from 1970 on that would generate that kind of interest...firehawk maybe? ZR1 was too popular, same with the buick gn.

 

I don't think so.

If it was worth that much J Leno would have one.

 

The Yenko's are one of the rarest Camaro's, just like the Superbirds are to Dodge and they can easily sell for over $250k. The ZL-1 is one of the rarest muscle cars ever built. Unlike the #1 car produced in a make.

http://www.musclecarcalendar.com/WeK...amaroYenko.htm

http://www.sportscarmarket.com/profi...mber/American/

 

funny reply from the Q and A

That better come with a hot chick in the trunk, cause All hot chicks will count how many SLKs you could have bought them instead of that 1 ratty old camaro.

 

"The ZL-1 had a rating ridiculously low at 430 horsepower. Actual output was something like 565hp. Alas, the $ 7,200.00 price tag had killed the car, not the fact that no one really needed 565 or so horsepower."

I read where these cars would run low to mid 10 second quarters right off the showroom floor.

Nothing like turning a $7200.00 investment into a $1,000,000.00 investment in 35 years.

 

Cool.... but I never did understand the fanatic prices paid for some of these number matching uber rare muscle cars... I guess if I had more money then god, I would probably buy shit like that

Sure these are museum type cars, but if you are afraid to drive 'em why bother...

Give me a bare bone 1969 camaro and have someone install a non number matching hi-po motor in it and I will drive the thing to work and not have to worry about it getting scratched/dented/etc...

 

yea, not so much. Muscle cars aren't really leno's thing. He's more into the 30's cars like the delahayes and duesenburgs and such. He likes stuff that's different. Not to say he doesn't own muscle cars. I got a tour of his garage a few years back, unreal.

Your comment is absolutely retarded though

 

10's no, 11's maybe w/ slicks. Muscle cars weren't as fast as people thought, the 13's and 14's were pretty quick. There were a few factory option cars that would do 11's and maybe 10's, but non would do it w/ street tires

 

There was a guy featured in Hot Rod like 2 months back that had like 4 2million+ mopars. The best part was he drives the piss out of all of them. The next month a bunch of people wrote how pissed they were he drove these cars. Fuck that, i smiled just knowing the guy drove them all.



If I had the cash, i could see spending money like that on a car, I know there a few cars i'd have to have from the 30's that'd cost me millions

 

Check out this link CL

http://www.fast-autos.net/chevrolet/...camarozl1.html

Look at the very bottom of the page on the right.

 

Sweet ride!

That thing needs more horsepower. I was in for $845,000. Too bad I was out bid!

 

Supply and demand i guess

 

sweet, but they also state 11.8 in there. I know that definately wasn't w/ street tires

 

Wow. You know there are guys out there that bought one of those new, dragged the crap out of it, cut it up, blew the motor and replaced it, and ended up junking it or sold the shell minus engine and trans.

I wonder how many times a day they think that if they had only put the thing in the garage and never touched it......they'd be a millionaire.

Hindsight's 20/20.......

 

Sounds about right. You'd need a full dedicated drag setup and a few more ponies to crack the 10's probably.

 

Sorry about the delay Zeroday. GreenMonster wil post some pictures for me.

Thanks again GreenMonster! BTW, I see you're a fan of the JD lawn equipment as well. Best lawn stuff ever made.

Terry

 

I hear the story all the time

 

They weren't fast by todays standards a lot of times because of inferior tires compared to what would be used on a performance car today.

850k sounds like it should be on barrett jackson, not ebay.

 

Gentlemen;

May I help to clear a few things up a bit?

First of all, in the 60's, the term muscle car was never used when referring to 396 Chevelles, GTOs, 442s, GTXs, etc. They were called supercars. The term "musclecar" showed up later. (I know, nitpicking, but just a little tidbit for you).

Another thing. Camaros, Firebirds, 'Cudas, and Mustangs were never called either supercars or musclecars.. they were ponycars. This by no means is to say that in their top trim, they were slugs.. far from it.

And the Corvette was in a class by itself.. also never called a supercar or a musclecar.

The ZL-1 engine was an all aluminum beast, weighing in at 100 pounds less than a small block Chevy.. around 450 pound for the 427. True horsepower ratings in factory trim were never revealed but the most I've seen was 610. In 1969, Chevrolet build 69 Camaros with this engine and 2 Corvettes. I have a mini road test of one of these Corvettes performed by MotorTrend magazine. They managed a 10.3 second quarter mile at 130 MPH with stock tires.

As for supercars of the '60's not being all that fast, well please trust me on this. I grew up in the 60's. Local drag strips were my second home almost. I owned one of the original, honest-to-God supercars which I ordered to my specifications: a 1966 396/360 HP L34 Chevelle. In box stock conditon with decent street/strip tires (some have mentioned the the fact that tire were a problem) and a few simple free tuning trips on my Holley carb, my Chevelle as a 13.3 second machine. And I only had 3.73 gears. I frequently saw street driven supercars running in B stock, turning 12.4's.

Bdog mentions the Yenko Camaros and I well remember them.. along with Nicky Chevrolet, and Royal Pontiac GTOs. Now if you really want a "special" Camaro, try to locate a Baldwin/Motion Performance copy. These babies had the 450 HP 427 (iron) installed with 4.56 gears and were guaranteed to turn the 11's. I have a road test of one that ran an 11.50 quarter mile... and they cost under $4000 back then.

Were the 60s the "good ole days" for "musclecars"? Yes they were. And so is the present. Currently we are back in the horsepower wars and that's great for all of us. Were 60's supercars better than what we have today? Yes, in a few areas they were. They had stronger engines and transmissions than what we have today. And in a few cases equally as good brakes.

But today, we have so much more along with the performance, so overall these are better time for the performance oriented among us.

Hope this helps.

 

I just looked at the pictures of this car on Ebay. It's an air pump car, I see. I have a picture of a ZL-1 Camaro in one of my books which is white. The COPO number was 9061 I believe, but I'm not certain.

 

But when I worked for Allstate insurance at their corporate office, one day I parked in a different lot, and while I was walking I spied a 1969 Z-28 camaro for sale. Factory black (which was quite, quite rare) with white stripes with a For Sale sign in the window. This car was sharp. The owner had modded the suspension by removing the stock springs and replaced them with stock springs from an El Camino.

I looked up the owner, and we exchanged phone extentions. I inquired into the price, and sadly it was out of my price range, but little did I know his wife was pregnant.

A few weeks later, out of the blue, the owner called me and offered me a price I could live with. Turns out that the wife had triplets, so he needed a four door. I snatched up the car in a heartbeat. I loved that car. I wish I had it back.

Shortly thereafter, I fell in love and wanted to get married, so I sold the damn thing so I could buy an engagement ring, which I did, and I replaced the beloved Z with a used Triumph Spitfire. Talk about making dumb moves. And naturally, we broke up weeks before the wedding.

If I had excess money to blow, I would replace this car for a toy, but they go for $25,000 to $35,000 for a clean one. I would rather pay off the house.

The 69 Z, my 68 GTO with tri power and a cam that allowed the engine to spin to 6,500 rpm (unheard of for a PONTIAC, but that's another story) and my 2003 CLS6MT are my three favorite cars. But I had some good times too with a few Fiat 124's and a few x 1/9s also.

 

That is one clean GN! Any engine mods or is it stock?

 

A new Z 28 could be had back in 1969 for about $3,500.

Of course, in 1969, $3,500 was about a full years salary, before taxes.

 

So bottom line, is an engine worth $850k+ ?


Ed

 

Very nice to have a true car enthusiast aboard, SouthernBoy, but I still do not get the correlation in purchasing that Camaro for close to a million dollars.

Perhaps, you have to be as much as a "muslecar" enthusiast as you are with very deep pockets and have everything else you want.

Really. How many people would know the history behind this car enough to drool over it in your garage?

Most people will just see another pristine early model Chevy Camaro and say "wow" because of it, just as if you showed them a pristine Impala, Cadillac, Mustang etc..

If you tell them how much you paid for it, they'll probably think you're crazy.
I would.