Acura Needs to Step Up to the Plate in the Premium Catagory
06-07-2006, 03:39 PM
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Acura Needs to Step Up to the Plate in the Premium Catagory
This year's winners: In JD Power Initial Quality Study
CARS
• Subcompact: Kia Rio/Rio Cinco
• Compact: Toyota Corolla
• Compact sporty: Mazda MX-5 Miata
• Compact premium sport: Porsche Cayman
• Entry premium: Lexus IS 250/350
• Mid-size premium: Lexus ES 330
• Large premium: Lexus LS 430
• Premium sporty: Lexus SC 430
• Mid-size sporty: Toyota Solara
• Mid-size: Toyota Camry
• Large: Pontiac Grand Prix
TRUCKS
• Compact multi-activity vehicle (MAV): Hyundai Tucson
• Mid-size MAV: Toyota Highlander
• Large MAV: Toyota Sequoia
• Mid-size premium MAV: Lexus GX 470
• Large premium MAV: Lexus LX 470
• Large pickup: Chevrolet Silverado LD
• Mid-size pickup: Ford Ranger
• Van: Chrysler Town & Country
Complete results can be found on www.jdpower.com
CARS
• Subcompact: Kia Rio/Rio Cinco
• Compact: Toyota Corolla
• Compact sporty: Mazda MX-5 Miata
• Compact premium sport: Porsche Cayman
• Entry premium: Lexus IS 250/350
• Mid-size premium: Lexus ES 330
• Large premium: Lexus LS 430
• Premium sporty: Lexus SC 430
• Mid-size sporty: Toyota Solara
• Mid-size: Toyota Camry
• Large: Pontiac Grand Prix
TRUCKS
• Compact multi-activity vehicle (MAV): Hyundai Tucson
• Mid-size MAV: Toyota Highlander
• Large MAV: Toyota Sequoia
• Mid-size premium MAV: Lexus GX 470
• Large premium MAV: Lexus LX 470
• Large pickup: Chevrolet Silverado LD
• Mid-size pickup: Ford Ranger
• Van: Chrysler Town & Country
Complete results can be found on www.jdpower.com
06-07-2006, 03:53 PM
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Toyota is doing very very good this year around. They have models people really want.
Honda sucks. We are driving the same old same old Accord for the last 20 years.
Honda sucks. We are driving the same old same old Accord for the last 20 years.
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06-07-2006, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by FreeIsGood
• Mid-size: Toyota Camry
06-07-2006, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael Wan
He must've had one of those 600 early production Camry V6s with the defective 6-spd AT...
06-07-2006, 07:52 PM
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gay....it's pretty obvious Lexus makes better cars if money is not an issue. Do they factor value in their ratings?? Because if they do, Acura should definitely be on that list. As for....
Mid-size sporty: Toyota Solara
WTF!!!
Mid-size sporty: Toyota Solara
WTF!!!
Say what??
ed Toyota?
06-07-2006, 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael Wan
Hyundai = CHEAP
Hyundai owners= PWNED by SHITTY resale values.
Hyundai owners= PWNED by SHITTY resale values.
Hyundai has been improving their quality/reliability dramatically, not to mention offering more appealing cars lately that are considered legitimate competitors to the japanese makes.
It's only a matter of time before their resale value is average or even above average.
Not to mention that Acura has had many models that have SHITTY resale values also, so I wouldn't be quick to point out that only Hyundai owners are being "PWNED".
06-07-2006, 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Python2121
"Premium sporty: Lexus SC 430"
that pretty much shows how credible this list is...
that pretty much shows how credible this list is...
As far as premium sporty goes I'd say the SL and the 6 series are both ahead of the SC430. I believe the SC430 was the car that TopGear voted as "the worst car on sale in Britain"
EDIT: these "awards" have ABSOLUTELY NO credibility whatsoever - the "winner" of the large car segment is the Pontiac GrandPrix
06-07-2006, 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by mrdeeno
haven't been keeping up with the latest hyundai news, have we?
Hyundai has been improving their quality/reliability dramatically, not to mention offering more appealing cars lately that are considered legitimate competitors to the japanese makes.
It's only a matter of time before their resale value is average or even above average.
Not to mention that Acura has had many models that have SHITTY resale values also, so I wouldn't be quick to point out that only Hyundai owners are being "PWNED".
Hyundai has been improving their quality/reliability dramatically, not to mention offering more appealing cars lately that are considered legitimate competitors to the japanese makes.
It's only a matter of time before their resale value is average or even above average.
Not to mention that Acura has had many models that have SHITTY resale values also, so I wouldn't be quick to point out that only Hyundai owners are being "PWNED".
But Acura has had "many" vehicles with shitty resale values? Defintely no where as shitty as some of Hyundai's previous vehicles.
06-07-2006, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ninjamyst
Mid-size sporty: Toyota Solara
WTF!!!
Since when is the Solara sporty? Let's see the list:
-V6 + MT.....no
-Sport suspension...no
-Road feel...nonexistant
Someone please tell me how the Solara is more sporty than the 6MT Accord coupe or the 6MT Eclipse V6. I never trusted JD Power anyway.
06-08-2006, 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by vishnus11
I agree on the Hyundau stuff.
But Acura has had "many" vehicles with shitty resale values? Defintely no where as shitty as some of Hyundai's previous vehicles.
But Acura has had "many" vehicles with shitty resale values? Defintely no where as shitty as some of Hyundai's previous vehicles.
Previous RL, most likely current RL, earlier generation TL (5cyl engine, WTF???), both generation CL's, not to mention the Acura Trooper, which by all intents and purposes isn't an Acura, but still counts since it was sold under that nameplate.
And to think...Hyundai's shitty resale is due to low quality which they have improved upon. Acura's were pretty much always decent cars, so their shitty resale is more attributed to designs that were out of touch with customers when compared to its competitors. I discount the tranny theory because even good resale Acura's have the same tranny problem.
06-08-2006, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by mrdeeno
Not shitty as Hyundai ever was, but still shitty nonetheless considering their limited lineup.
Previous RL, most likely current RL, earlier generation TL (5cyl engine, WTF???), both generation CL's, not to mention the Acura Trooper, which by all intents and purposes isn't an Acura, but still counts since it was sold under that nameplate.
And to think...Hyundai's shitty resale is due to low quality which they have improved upon. Acura's were pretty much always decent cars, so their shitty resale is more attributed to designs that were out of touch with customers when compared to its competitors. I discount the tranny theory because even good resale Acura's have the same tranny problem.
Previous RL, most likely current RL, earlier generation TL (5cyl engine, WTF???), both generation CL's, not to mention the Acura Trooper, which by all intents and purposes isn't an Acura, but still counts since it was sold under that nameplate.
And to think...Hyundai's shitty resale is due to low quality which they have improved upon. Acura's were pretty much always decent cars, so their shitty resale is more attributed to designs that were out of touch with customers when compared to its competitors. I discount the tranny theory because even good resale Acura's have the same tranny problem.
i don't know why everyone hates on the 5 cylinder motor. Volvo uses 5 cylinder motors as well.
06-08-2006, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by cambo
Whats wrong with the 2.5TL? The G25A is a good motor thats reliable and makes ~190 hp which was underrated to 176 hp by acura as a marketing decision to give the 3.2TL a better chance (who would pay $5g more for a 10 hp difference?).
i don't know why everyone hates on the 5 cylinder motor. Volvo uses 5 cylinder motors as well.
i don't know why everyone hates on the 5 cylinder motor. Volvo uses 5 cylinder motors as well.
06-08-2006, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Python2121
"Premium sporty: Lexus SC 430"
that pretty much shows how credible this list is...
that pretty much shows how credible this list is...
While we as car enthusiasts recognize the credibility issues with this, I would venture to guess that 90% or more of the population doesn't know any better and they do take things like seriously....and that's what REALLY matters.
Besides, while I do not agree with the list, none of the cars on there are all that laughable either...best in their class, certainly not, but not completely irrational.
06-08-2006, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by bgsm1th
While we as car enthusiasts recognize the credibility issues with this, I would venture to guess that 90% or more of the population doesn't know any better and they do take things like seriously....and that's what REALLY matters.
Besides, while I do not agree with the list, none of the cars on there are all that laughable either...best in their class, certainly not, but not completely irrational.
Besides, while I do not agree with the list, none of the cars on there are all that laughable either...best in their class, certainly not, but not completely irrational.
Maybe I'm mistaken, but I don't think this is a listing of Best in class. Its a listing of initial quality studies.
06-08-2006, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Python2121
"Premium sporty: Lexus SC 430"
that pretty much shows how credible this list is...
that pretty much shows how credible this list is...
premium sporty wins with a car that doesnt even come with a MT! How very sporty!
06-08-2006, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by dom
Maybe I'm mistaken, but I don't think this is a listing of Best in class. Its a listing of initial quality studies.
After seeing the link in the "Automotive News" section of our site, it appears that you are correct.
My mistake.
06-08-2006, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by mrdeeno
discussion was concerning resale value, not what is wrong or not wrong with the car.
At any rate, my 96 2.5TL with 140k miles could be sold and had for ~$5k. Not too bad for resale value all things considered (10 years old, 2 "newer" models, base trim (2.5 v. 3.2), >100k mileage, etc.)
06-08-2006, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by cambo
it was a low-volume production car if i remember correctly. I would think this would not help the resale value of the car.
At any rate, my 96 2.5TL with 140k miles could be sold and had for ~$5k. Not too bad for resale value all things considered (10 years old, 2 "newer" models, base trim (2.5 v. 3.2), >100k mileage, etc.)
At any rate, my 96 2.5TL with 140k miles could be sold and had for ~$5k. Not too bad for resale value all things considered (10 years old, 2 "newer" models, base trim (2.5 v. 3.2), >100k mileage, etc.)
I'm going to be selling mine at the end of the summer, and I've seen lots of them with more on the odometer than mine going for more than I would have asked.
06-08-2006, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by dom
Maybe I'm mistaken, but I don't think this is a listing of Best in class. Its a listing of initial quality studies.
What does this have to do with how "sporty" an accord is. It's about quality.
And after owning an Acura, BMW and Lexus in the last year and a half, I'm not really that suprised by Toyota dominating. Heck, even my friend's new Corolla is a pretty nice ride.
06-08-2006, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by mrdeeno
discussion was concerning resale value, not what is wrong or not wrong with the car.
And it's resale value is comparable to that of an equivalent year Lexus ES300 which cost quite a bit more when new.
06-08-2006, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by vishnus11
you specifically quoted (5cyl engine, WTF??) - as cambo said, Volvo's use inline 5's and the TL motor is a good one. We have plenty of 1st gen owner's nearing and clearing the 200k mark.
And it's resale value is comparable to that of an equivalent year Lexus ES300 which cost quite a bit more when new.
And it's resale value is comparable to that of an equivalent year Lexus ES300 which cost quite a bit more when new.
And I mentioned 5cyl inline engine because it's a rare engine configuration. I never stated that this was a poor engine, I am questioning it because it's a rare configuration and if it was sooooo good, then why isn't Honda still using it?
But whatever...if many of you contend that the first gen TL had good resale, then fine. But that does not negate the fact that Acura has had many vehicles with poor resale, and someone previously stated that Hyundai buyers are "PWNED" since they are buying a Hyundai... I am merely contesting that even some Acura buyers are "PWNED" for buying an Acura.
06-08-2006, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by dom
Maybe I'm mistaken, but I don't think this is a listing of Best in class. Its a listing of initial quality studies.
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06-08-2006, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by dom
Maybe I'm mistaken, but I don't think this is a listing of Best in class. Its a listing of initial quality studies.
06-08-2006, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by youngTL
Even if it is, there are cars in there that don't belong under those headings. The Solara is the worst offender there. Maybe they meant sporty LOOKING? I don't know.
Maybe it shouldn't be there, but neither should a FWD Accord. The accord might be A LITTLE sportier, but this is about quality.
OT - which category would you put the Solara under?
06-08-2006, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by FastAcura
Maybe it shouldn't be there, but neither should a FWD Accord. The accord might be A LITTLE sportier, but this is about quality.
OT - which category would you put the Solara under?
OT - which category would you put the Solara under?
I would put the Solara under a category called Mid-Size/Mid-priced 2-door, where it would sit with the Accord coupe and the Eclipse.
06-08-2006, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by youngTL
The 6MT Accord is on a different level of sportiness completely than the mind-numbing Solara. FWD has nothing to do with it since there are no RWD mid-size cars based off sedans. And the word is "sporty" not "sports car". Those are entirely different things. A Nissan 350Z is a sports car, but a 6MT Accord is a sporty car.
I would put the Solara under a category called Mid-Size/Mid-priced 2-door, where it would sit with the Accord coupe and the Eclipse.
I would put the Solara under a category called Mid-Size/Mid-priced 2-door, where it would sit with the Accord coupe and the Eclipse.
http://www.edmunds.com/used/2005/toy...ara/index.html