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Old Sep 26, 2013 | 06:10 AM
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Nice looking, reminded me of the old 6 coupe







$60K-
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Old Sep 26, 2013 | 06:39 AM
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$60K- is right. Wow. Just wow... I'm not digging the new 3 and 4 series, but I'm sure it'll grow on me. I just hate that these cars are getting larger and larger.

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Old Sep 26, 2013 | 06:44 AM
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^ Agreed. I thought the 1 was a step in the right direction
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Old Sep 26, 2013 | 07:15 AM
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Well for me, the size of the 3 coupe makes me look like I'm sitting in the back seat so I'd never buy one, but this is a different story in the 4.
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Old Sep 26, 2013 | 08:45 AM
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Well for me, the size of the 3 coupe makes me look like I'm sitting in the back seat so I'd never buy one, but this is a different story in the 4.
Well, for 60 G's you could get a 6 coupe.
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Old Sep 26, 2013 | 09:24 AM
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try finding a new 6 coupe for less than $70, stripped down, base is $74k
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Old Sep 26, 2013 | 09:41 AM
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Well damn, it looks pretty nice, but for $60k I think I'd rather get a well-optioned S5.
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Old Sep 26, 2013 | 09:56 AM
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Stick with the Z
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Old Sep 26, 2013 | 10:19 AM
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I will be doing just that Mr. Marco, my wife however, may be looking to get one.
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Old Sep 26, 2013 | 10:31 AM
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While I bought my '09 E93 335i as a CPO, I did see the original sticker for it...$61k and mine doesn't have every available option. These things get pricey.
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Old Sep 26, 2013 | 10:38 AM
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While I bought my '09 E93 335i as a CPO, I did see the original sticker for it...$61k and mine doesn't have every available option. These things get pricey.
Yeah, we did a CPO on our X3 Sport, but it was $50K new. 60 K is a lot of coin. That puts a fully loaded 4 Series in "big boy" territory.
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Old Sep 26, 2013 | 10:42 AM
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try finding a new 6 coupe for less than $70, stripped down, base is $74k
Preowned?

Here is a 2009 650 with 31K on the clock for ~$39
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...gIndex=1&Log=0
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Old Sep 26, 2013 | 10:44 AM
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So what exactly is the 4 competing with? I always felt BMW did pretty well appeasing every facet of the market with the smaller 3, the more "mature" 5 and the super luxury 7 with the sport coupe 3 and super coupe 6 taking care of their demographic. What's the purpose of the 4?
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Old Sep 26, 2013 | 10:50 AM
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So what exactly is the 4 competing with? I always felt BMW did pretty well appeasing every facet of the market with the smaller 3, the more "mature" 5 and the super luxury 7 with the sport coupe 3 and super coupe 6 taking care of their demographic. What's the purpose of the 4?
Rather than a coupe version of the 3-series, it's now a 4. 3 is now for the sedan, wagon, and GT. 4 is for the coupe, convertible, and forthcoming 4 gran coupe. In other words, it's just a badge change and it reflects what BMW has been doing with the relationship between the 5 and 6 series for some time now.
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Old Sep 26, 2013 | 11:03 AM
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Preowned?

Here is a 2009 650 with 31K on the clock for ~$39
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...gIndex=1&Log=0
Pretty sure he meant new as in 2012+
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Old Sep 26, 2013 | 11:04 AM
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Is this $60k and no navigation?
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Old Sep 26, 2013 | 11:07 AM
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Is this $60k and no navigation?
Looks like no nav...geesh, that's just wrong. It ought to be standard on a car in that price range.
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Old Sep 26, 2013 | 11:21 AM
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Preowned?

Here is a 2009 650 with 31K on the clock for ~$39
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...gIndex=1&Log=0
My original statement was with regard to the old 6 Series, not the current one as someone presumed. My last comment was with respect to a brand new 6, not pre-owned, CPO, whatever.
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Old Sep 26, 2013 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ttribe
Rather than a coupe version of the 3-series, it's now a 4. 3 is now for the sedan, wagon, and GT. 4 is for the coupe, convertible, and forthcoming 4 gran coupe. In other words, it's just a badge change and it reflects what BMW has been doing with the relationship between the 5 and 6 series for some time now.

Makes sense to me. Gracias
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Old Sep 26, 2013 | 12:28 PM
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$60k is M3-tier pricing. Jesus.
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Old Sep 26, 2013 | 12:44 PM
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Is it possible that, instead of every new car being over priced, possibly the price of all cars is going up? Where's Moog. He knows an overpriced car when he sees one.

The front looks like a Benz with a Bimmer grill.
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Old Sep 26, 2013 | 01:02 PM
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Is it possible that, instead of every new car being over priced, possibly the price of all cars is going up? Where's Moog. He knows an overpriced car when he sees one.
This is irrefutable, but $60K in today's dollars is still steep for a 3 Series, even if you call it a 4 Series.
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Old Sep 26, 2013 | 01:37 PM
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2013 M3 coupe starting price $60,100
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Old Sep 26, 2013 | 02:10 PM
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Technically, you can drop the lighting, driver's assistant, M sport packages, add nav (or tech package) and keep it around 55k msrp

Personally, I would take one with Premium, Nav, M sport, Dynamic Handling (haven't tried it on the 4, but made a huge difference on the F30). I think it builds out to around $58k msrp, and around $55-56k after negotiations or if you go through Truecar.

It's pricey, but if you compare apples to apples, it's right around that ballpark. Nowadays if you build out a similar Q50S AWD or IS350 AWD F Sport, it'll be around $50k. S5 Premium Plus with Nav and sports diff is around $58k, Prestige will be around $62k
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Old Sep 26, 2013 | 02:46 PM
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2013 M3 coupe starting price $60,100
Shame those are no longer being made in factories...
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Old Sep 26, 2013 | 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by DaeHanMeenGuk
Shame those are no longer being made in factories...
They are completely off the BMW website
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Old Sep 26, 2013 | 05:00 PM
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shit, sticker on my f250 was $63,035. It's a f-ing pick up truck LOL.
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Old Sep 26, 2013 | 05:18 PM
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$1900 for the LED headlights? Was hoping that option was going to be cheaper.
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Old Sep 26, 2013 | 08:56 PM
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EEEEEyikes on the price.

I'll take one M3 instead, please.
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Old Sep 26, 2013 | 10:29 PM
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I'd be scared to see how much an M3 will cost
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Old Sep 27, 2013 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by SpiderX1016
I'd be scared to see how much an M4 will cost
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Old Sep 27, 2013 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by SpiderX1016
I'd be scared to see how much an M3 will cost
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Old Sep 27, 2013 | 12:49 PM
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60 grand.....Nuts!........i guess there's a reason why so many lease instead of buy.
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Old Sep 27, 2013 | 01:15 PM
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I wonder... what in gods name is going to be a 4 grand coupe? Car manufacturers are going full-retard... you never go full-retard.
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Old Sep 27, 2013 | 01:40 PM
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The CTS configurator is up. CTS V-Sport is going past $70k now. Which means a CTS-V is going to be $80k+?

The 435 is starting to look like a bargain.
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Old Sep 27, 2013 | 01:57 PM
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i guess it's a good time for those who were thinking about getting a cts-v to saddle up for one, assuming the 2014 ones are gonna be 80k+

that being said, the GT-R went up in price quite a lot compared to its debut
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Old Sep 27, 2013 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by charliemike
The CTS configurator is up. CTS V-Sport is going past $70k now. Which means a CTS-V is going to be $80k+?

The 435 is starting to look like a bargain.
Didn't the CTS go upmarket to go against the 5 series and the ATS is now against the 3 series? So $80k+ CTS-V vs $90k+ M5 still sounds pretty good.
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Old Sep 27, 2013 | 03:36 PM
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$60k is M3-tier pricing. Jesus.
The next gen M3/M4 will probably push into the mid 60's base with a loaded model in the mid 80's.

The current M3 loaded gets up to $78k or so, before you do special versions like Lime Rock or Frozen colors...
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Didn't the CTS go upmarket to go against the 5 series and the ATS is now against the 3 series? So $80k+ CTS-V vs $90k+ M5 still sounds pretty good.
True
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Old Sep 27, 2013 | 04:44 PM
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I've always liked the idea that the CTS-V was basically M3 money for M5 power. Oh, and how the sedan, coupe, and wagon are all priced practically the same.
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