Is the 3000 mile oil change obsolete?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 03-04-2005, 11:05 AM
  #1  
Suzuka Master
Thread Starter
 
ClutchPerformer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Age: 43
Posts: 5,449
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Is the 3000 mile oil change obsolete?

NO! <-- Link

With improved technology, does the old mantra of 'every 3,000 miles' still apply?

by Larry E. Hall

Most of us already know that regularly scheduled oil and filter changes are a vital part of routine car maintenance that is necessary for engine longevity.
During the miles between changes, the oil in your vehicle's engine gradually becomes contaminated with soot, metal particles, gasoline and other impurities. As mileage accumulates, so do the contaminants in the oil. Eventually, enough impurities accumulate that the filter cannot remove them and the oil cannot keep them in suspension.

When this happens, the resulting sludge can dramatically shorten engine life.

Even though modern technology has vastly improved engines and the oils that lubricate them, regularly scheduled oil and filter changes are still a vital part of regular, preventative auto maintenance. The question is: Just how often does the oil need to be changed?

At regular intervals
The old mantra of responsible motorists that said, "Change your oil every 3,000 miles!" is being replaced. Today car manufacturers' recommendations for oil changes range from 5,000 to 7,500, or even 10,000 miles for many cars when operated under "normal" driving conditions—more often if conditions are "severe."

Before you relax, let me point out that the way most of us drive is listed as severe by the automotive experts. According to the owner's manuals of many new cars and trucks, normal operation of a vehicle is at least 20 minutes, at a medium speed with a steady throttle, and in a clean environment.

According to one car maker's owner's manual, the oil change interval is seven months or 7,500 miles under normal driving conditions, three months or 3,000 miles under severe conditions. This is how severe is defined in the manual:


Repeated, short distance driving.
Extended periods of idling or low speed operation.
Extensive use of brakes.
More than 50 percent driving in heavy city traffic during hot weather above 90 degrees F.
Driving for a prolonged period of time in cold temperatures and/or extremely humid climates.
Driving in dusty conditions or sandy areas.
Driving in areas where salt or other corrosive materials are being used.
Driving on rough or muddy roads.
Driving in mountainous areas.
Well, it looks like the old mantra about oil changes isn't out of date after all. But what about synthetic oils, don't they extend oil change intervals?

Several car manufacturers do recommend synthetic oil for their high-performance models because of the superior protection from friction and extreme temperatures. The protection comes from the processing required to manufacture the base stock and the different additive packages they require.

Despite this better performance, synthetic additives wear out just as they do in conventional motor oils, and need to be changed. The key is driving conditions — normal or severe.

How about just changing the oil filter, can a car be driven farther between oil changes?

Changing the filter is great, but the oil must be changed along with it, given that the oil's additives wear out and contaminants get into the oil itself. The filter can only capture the bigger particles suspended in the oil, not replenish spent additives.

Pinching pennies
From an economic point of view, it would appear that waiting an extra few thousand miles between changes will save money. For example, based on $25 oil changes every 5,000 miles instead of 3,000 miles, more than $300 is saved per 100,000 miles. Sounds pretty good, but if you drive the average of 17,000 miles a year, it will take you almost six years to reach that mileage — or $50 per year savings.

Extending the oil change interval beyond what the manufacturer recommends can seriously shorten the useful life of your engine, and cost you several times that $300 savings. Just ask a professional service technician how often he or she changes the oil and filter on their personal vehicle. Chances are the answer will be 3,000 miles.

That's the answer given by Don Beyer, automotive services director for AAA's Washington/Inland chapter. Beyer, an ASE master technician and former repair-shop owner, says that it is imperative to change the engine oil and filter every three months or 3,000 miles. "I'm doubtful that anyone, regardless of where they live, drives under the normal conditions defined in owner's manuals."

Bottom line: Don't push the limits of motor oil and flirt with damaging your car's engine, especially when chump change is all it takes for an oil change.
Old 03-04-2005, 11:14 AM
  #2  
Banned
 
MADCAT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Toronto
Posts: 5,328
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I do mine at every 5000. At $40 Cdn, its damn cheap.
Old 03-04-2005, 12:22 PM
  #3  
Suzuka Master
 
pebe's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Queens, NY
Age: 43
Posts: 6,558
Likes: 0
Received 7 Likes on 6 Posts
5000 for me also.
Old 03-04-2005, 01:00 PM
  #4  
Team Owner
 
Shawn S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Hellertown, Pa. USA
Age: 57
Posts: 20,014
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I still say it’s a waste of money, time and oil unless you plan to own the car for 200,000+ miles.

7,500 mile changes for me and factory service intervals at the dealer every 15K.
I’m coming up on 30K myself in a about 2-months.
Old 03-04-2005, 01:18 PM
  #5  
Doin' da crack shuffle
 
Red-CL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Philly and Bowie
Age: 46
Posts: 10,847
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I'm in anywhere from 3000 to 5000.
Old 03-04-2005, 11:51 PM
  #6  
go like hell
 
Water-S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Anna,OH(home of the honda/acura motors)
Age: 42
Posts: 5,154
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally Posted by Shawn S
I still say it’s a waste of money, time and oil unless you plan to own the car for 200,000+ miles.

7,500 mile changes for me and factory service intervals at the dealer every 15K.
I’m coming up on 30K myself in a about 2-months.
I agree with what you say. I got 275,000 on my Accord and I've changed the oil EVERY 3000 relgiously. that's part of the reason why I think it's lasted so long.(thanks to Mobil1 )
Now if I had a new Accord or about anything would I still change at 3000 miles. probably. The thing I find hard to believe yes oils have gotten cleaner but have filters. yes we're up to 7500 and even some cars 15000 miles before you change the oil and the oil might come out like it looks only has 3000 in a "old fashion"car but the filter is clogged to beat hell. the thing I'd be concerned about is. "slow flow " through that filter(because it's clogged with crap from dirty oil. ) then that results the oil slower cycle time plus if it gets too dirty.

BTW: There was a dumb blond chick at my college she hada brand new Infinti G35(it was a year old) she had like 11 or 12 k on her oil. I changed the oil for her in it. IT HAD METAL SHAVINGS IN IT. NOT GOOD FOR THE MAIN BEARINGS. Plus that oil was sludgy and THICK.
Old 03-05-2005, 01:07 AM
  #7  
Banned
 
matelot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Bushwhacked Land
Age: 50
Posts: 3,846
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by ClutchPerformer
NO![/URL] <-- Link

So you're in the 3K group ?
Old 03-05-2005, 05:02 AM
  #8  
GEEZER
 
1killercls's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Dunedin, Fla.
Posts: 44,441
Received 2,214 Likes on 1,418 Posts
Originally Posted by Red-CL
I'm in anywhere from 3000 to 5000.
Old 03-05-2005, 09:05 AM
  #9  
Burn some dust here
 
cob3683's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Atlanta
Age: 41
Posts: 5,709
Received 13 Likes on 5 Posts
I do mine around every 4000-4500 miles.
Old 03-05-2005, 09:28 AM
  #10  
Senior Moderator
 
GreenMonster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Swansea, MA
Age: 57
Posts: 35,218
Received 15 Likes on 7 Posts
7500 for me.
Old 03-05-2005, 11:09 AM
  #11  
I feel the need...
 
Fibonacci's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Motown
Posts: 14,957
Received 515 Likes on 363 Posts
My TSX: change oil/filter every 5000 - Mobil1
Wifey's CRV: oil/filter every 5000 - Valvoline
Old 03-05-2005, 11:15 AM
  #12  
Registered AssHat
 
Lung Fu Mo Shi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Portland, OR
Age: 46
Posts: 3,777
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Water-S
I agree with what you say. I got 275,000 on my Accord and I've changed the oil EVERY 3000 relgiously. that's part of the reason why I think it's lasted so long.(thanks to Mobil1 )
Now if I had a new Accord or about anything would I still change at 3000 miles. probably. The thing I find hard to believe yes oils have gotten cleaner but have filters. yes we're up to 7500 and even some cars 15000 miles before you change the oil and the oil might come out like it looks only has 3000 in a "old fashion"car but the filter is clogged to beat hell. the thing I'd be concerned about is. "slow flow " through that filter(because it's clogged with crap from dirty oil. ) then that results the oil slower cycle time plus if it gets too dirty.

BTW: There was a dumb blond chick at my college she hada brand new Infinti G35(it was a year old) she had like 11 or 12 k on her oil. I changed the oil for her in it. IT HAD METAL SHAVINGS IN IT. NOT GOOD FOR THE MAIN BEARINGS. Plus that oil was sludgy and THICK.
Don't forget about the bypass. The oil filter will bypass to maintain oil pressure since no oil flow is worse than dirty oil.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
mada51589
3G TL Problems & Fixes
79
05-03-2022 08:54 PM
Zonian22
Member Cars for Sale
3
11-14-2015 01:20 PM
merc009
3G TL (2004-2008)
21
09-14-2015 06:43 PM
BlueAquarian
5G TLX (2015-2020)
34
09-10-2015 02:18 PM
Zonian22
Member Cars for Sale
1
09-02-2015 08:19 AM



Quick Reply: Is the 3000 mile oil change obsolete?



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:36 AM.