2010 SH-AWD or Audi quattro A4?
10-21-2009, 03:49 PM
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Riiiiiight. And my neighbor who just picked up a Porsche Turbo and rants and raves about it is wrong too b/c some magazines like the Nissan GTR better.
Plus, who is even talking about the 1.8T engine? I've driven several in just about every config (FWD stick and auto, AWD stick and auto) and that engine was a dog in stock form. But that's not what we're talking about, so it's irrelevant. Why not mention the 1.6L engine in the Audi 80 while you're at it?
Whatever, enjoy your highly reviewed Miley Cyrus songs and using opinions in magazines to tell people their opinions and experiences are wrong....
.So then why didn't you say that first? It holds more weight and clout than giving a magazine article as support for your argument. At this point, I doubt many are going to believe what you're saying because it's only appearing as if you are trying to save face after the fact. 
And if you have driven as many 1.8T and 2.0T as you claim, you should have a lot more information to provide in rebuttal instead of giving a magazine article as proof. Topics like engine reliability, suspension performance, how modifications improve/lessen reliability, or how aged Audi's do with needing repairs, so many topics to address when comparing vehicles. But I guess a magazine article hasn't been written about all that yet for you to support your stance. :troutslap
And if you have driven as many 1.8T and 2.0T as you claim, you should have a lot more information to provide in rebuttal instead of giving a magazine article as proof. Topics like engine reliability, suspension performance, how modifications improve/lessen reliability, or how aged Audi's do with needing repairs, so many topics to address when comparing vehicles. But I guess a magazine article hasn't been written about all that yet for you to support your stance. :troutslap
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10-21-2009, 06:40 PM
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For the most part yes, but then again, we special ordered our Avant, and based on my research, and IIRC, we only paid $250 over invoice for a fully loaded 2.0T Avant. Our special order took about 4 months to process. It was worth the wait. So if you can order your car the way you want to rather than settling for what they have on the lot, I highly recommend it. You'll enjoy the car that much more. Also, we didn't have to pay any additional cost to special order our Avant.
If you want to see the path I took on research, ordering, etc., look at this thread....
https://acurazine.com/forums/car-talk-5/our-08-audi-a4-avant-339742/
Also, we didn't have to pay any additional cost to special order our Avant.If you want to see the path I took on research, ordering, etc., look at this thread....
https://acurazine.com/forums/car-talk-5/our-08-audi-a4-avant-339742/
Hmm.. 4 months sounds really...........long. sigh. But I do fully understand that it is better to wait and special order the car. When I bought my previous car 3G TL, the dealership that I went to didn't have any MT TLs in stock. I just bought an automatic one and regretted it every single day for the next 4 years. So yeah.. I'll talk to my gf tonight to see what she wants to do.
10-22-2009, 10:55 AM
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10-22-2009, 06:17 PM
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I will most likely be picking up a 2010 Ice silver/black int A4, premium plus w/navigation MT on Monday or Tuesday. Paid invoice for it so it seems like a good deal to me. Financing sucks but it will be paid off in less than 2 yrs if I plan on keeping it.
$40,710.00 out the door.
Will be thinking of the reflash after a year or so. Can't wait.
$40,710.00 out the door.
Will be thinking of the reflash after a year or so. Can't wait.
10-23-2009, 04:35 AM
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I'd definitely get the A4. However, I'd opt for the manual. When I test drove the auto it felt quite sluggish.
Oh, and you definitely want to do at least an ECU reflash as many others have suggested. It's a completely different beast with all the extra power and torque. The turbo is a bit small though, so it'll run out of steam by 6k RPM or so.
Oh, and you definitely want to do at least an ECU reflash as many others have suggested. It's a completely different beast with all the extra power and torque. The turbo is a bit small though, so it'll run out of steam by 6k RPM or so.
10-23-2009, 06:14 AM
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15.0 @ 92 2009 A4 6AT
14.4 @ 99 2004 TL 6MT
http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...a2c489e3c6.pdf
http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...ea7df17336.pdf
Great interior on the Audi but I prefer the exterior, motor and less mass on a 3G TL (hey I'm biased
). In that comparison test, I wonder how many BMW dealerships actually have a 328i with a $36K sticker also?
10-23-2009, 08:29 AM
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For most people though, they probably don't care too much since people rarely push it to high rpms. But for Honda enthusiasts, that's where the fun is.
10-24-2009, 11:29 AM
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A4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> TL (fking ugly... and it's quite expensive!)
My gf is planning to pick up 2010 A4 Avant S-Line in 2 weeks!
Can't wait to see it and drive it.[/quote]
WAIT!.....the TL is quite expensive yet your GF is buying a 2010 A4 S-Line? Ahhhh that's more than a TL.
I've drive the 2.0 4 banger and it's got a lot of zip but it's noisy and there is turbo lag and it's just not smooth like a V6 or V8. To me it's just to diffcult to justify the purchase of a $45k car that has a 4 banger. They got rid of the 6 because it was a $3k + option.
A4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> TL (fking ugly... and it's quite expensive!)
My gf is planning to pick up 2010 A4 Avant S-Line in 2 weeks!
Can't wait to see it and drive it.[/quote]WAIT!.....the TL is quite expensive yet your GF is buying a 2010 A4 S-Line? Ahhhh that's more than a TL.
I've drive the 2.0 4 banger and it's got a lot of zip but it's noisy and there is turbo lag and it's just not smooth like a V6 or V8. To me it's just to diffcult to justify the purchase of a $45k car that has a 4 banger. They got rid of the 6 because it was a $3k + option.
10-24-2009, 11:43 AM
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No, they got rid of the 6 because more people were buying the 2.0T trim and the motor didn't provide enough of a boost in power to justify the $5K difference in price for the vehicles it was placed in. Also, Audi is shifting their image to provide cars with power that also get good mileage. They have a very solid motor with the 2.0T, and it's not putting out more power than their 3.2 and the tuning capabilities for it are absurd! With a simple tune, that motor can output 323 lb-ft of torque. Imagine what will happen when they begin to employ their weight saving strategies in the next 5 years. This is why we can't see a huge mileage increase with the smaller motor, but once those weight savings strategies come into play, it's going to paint a new picture for Audi.
10-25-2009, 03:10 PM
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I wanted the sport package at first but did not want to deal with the tires in winter. I also liked the seats but its not that important for me. The only mod I will be doing is getting the shift knob from the package. that will suffice with me. I am not into the fancy rims and lowered suspension thing. Never was. i also prefer the 4 spoke steering wheel. It fits my driving habits better.
With that said, I would have preferred to get the sports package but I will not be missing it later down the road.
With that said, I would have preferred to get the sports package but I will not be missing it later down the road.
10-25-2009, 04:41 PM
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I wanted the sport package at first but did not want to deal with the tires in winter. I also liked the seats but its not that important for me. The only mod I will be doing is getting the shift knob from the package. that will suffice with me. I am not into the fancy rims and lowered suspension thing. Never was. i also prefer the 4 spoke steering wheel. It fits my driving habits better.
With that said, I would have preferred to get the sports package but I will not be missing it later down the road.
With that said, I would have preferred to get the sports package but I will not be missing it later down the road.
10-26-2009, 12:31 AM
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Do not fall for the over-priced understeering german dogs. It is a great looker but i am dissapointed at the cost vs performance advantage. Underpowered motor and over priced options list. TL WINS HANDS DOWN. Also all sorts of problems with awd system in my past audi do yourself a favor and stay away!
10-26-2009, 12:38 AM
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Do not fall for the over-priced understeering german dogs. It is a great looker but i am dissapointed at the cost vs performance advantage. Underpowered motor and over priced options list. TL WINS HANDS DOWN. Also all sorts of problems with awd system in my past audi do yourself a favor and stay away!
You can't expect someone to simply take your word for it without offering support for your "don't buy audi" argument.
10-26-2009, 01:26 AM
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Do not fall for the over-priced understeering german dogs. It is a great looker but i am dissapointed at the cost vs performance advantage. Underpowered motor and over priced options list. TL WINS HANDS DOWN. Also all sorts of problems with awd system in my past audi do yourself a favor and stay away!
10-26-2009, 01:40 AM
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Do not fall for the over-priced understeering german dogs. It is a great looker but i am dissapointed at the cost vs performance advantage. Underpowered motor and over priced options list. TL WINS HANDS DOWN. Also all sorts of problems with awd system in my past audi do yourself a favor and stay away!
10-26-2009, 03:16 AM
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Do not fall for the over-priced understeering german dogs. It is a great looker but i am dissapointed at the cost vs performance advantage. Underpowered motor and over priced options list. TL WINS HANDS DOWN. Also all sorts of problems with awd system in my past audi do yourself a favor and stay away!
And you do understand the appeal in having a bunch of separate options, right? You can leave out what you don't want and get what you do. Every european brand lists out a bunch of options so people can customize their car to their liking.
10-26-2009, 08:21 PM
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My gf is picking up her 2010 Audi A4 Avant tomorrow!
10-28-2009, 01:10 AM
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oh man, i guess i am one of those few ppl that have had a bad experience with audi. The only and maybe last audi i've owned was a 2006 audi 2.0t fwd. That car gave me hell!!! @34k miles - broken drive belt, @ 42k miles - blown left rear shocks, @ 44k miles lost power steering, @ 48k miles - problem with the AC. @ 56k miles the replaced left rear shock blown(wtf..), @ 66k miles- oil leak, and finally @ 72k miles check engine light went on saying some Air fuel sensor went bad and that's when i said i've had enuff of this so call "German engineering" and traded in for an 06 tl. I guess i got a defective car. And what's up with the expensive Audi parts? a freaking bolt costs 3 bucks???
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10-28-2009, 01:19 AM
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OMG................... the car looks sexy as hell........................
ill take some pictures tomorrow. 2010 A4 Avant is seriously hawt..
ill take some pictures tomorrow. 2010 A4 Avant is seriously hawt..
10-28-2009, 09:23 AM
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Part #90167-SL0-010 BOLT, FLANGE TL $ 3.11 (thats at a discount, normal dealer price is 4.15)
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10-28-2009, 12:20 PM
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oh man, i guess i am one of those few ppl that have had a bad experience with audi. The only and maybe last audi i've owned was a 2006 audi 2.0t fwd. That car gave me hell!!! @34k miles - broken drive belt, @ 42k miles - blown left rear shocks, @ 44k miles lost power steering, @ 48k miles - problem with the AC. @ 56k miles the replaced left rear shock blown(wtf..), @ 66k miles- oil leak, and finally @ 72k miles check engine light went on saying some Air fuel sensor went bad and that's when i said i've had enuff of this so call "German engineering" and traded in for an 06 tl. I guess i got a defective car. And what's up with the expensive Audi parts? a freaking bolt costs 3 bucks???
10-28-2009, 12:22 PM
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10-28-2009, 12:58 PM
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10-28-2009, 01:15 PM
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One on the right for me
10-28-2009, 01:51 PM
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Please provide some insight to support this. I'm really curious to hear because of the thousands of cars on the Audi Forums, very few have problems like that. And these are people that DO push their cars harder than others do because of modifications, taking them to the track, etc. So it's safe to assume that these individuals would be the first to experience problems with the motor, etc. Suspension maybe not as much if they swapped parts out, but still. It's not as widespread as you claim them to be.
I guess based on your argument 6spd tranny failures for Honda was a drop in the bucket compared to Audi.
I guess based on your argument 6spd tranny failures for Honda was a drop in the bucket compared to Audi.
10-28-2009, 05:00 PM
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"Stock to the bone" seems to have first hand experience so I'm fine with his post... but others just reply with such blanket statements with nothing to back it up. It's almost like they type just to reload the screen and get all giddy that their post showed up in an active topic
"Stock to the bone" seems to have first hand experience so I'm fine with his post... but others just reply with such blanket statements with nothing to back it up. It's almost like they type just to reload the screen and get all giddy that their post showed up in an active topic
10-28-2009, 05:15 PM
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in the first place no matter how much power the TL is compared to the A4, or how much you perceive the tech gadgets in one car to be superior to the other, they are in different segments, One is in luxury market, the other is trying to be in the luxury market. Not to say that the Acura isn't a nice car, but when you put two side by side, the build quality and materials in my Audi are far superior to the quality of materials in the Acura. Comparing a vehicle based on size is one thing, performance another, but you can't then turn those and base it on price. That's like saying a 40K corvette is an equal competitor in luxury to that of a Porsche.
10-28-2009, 07:56 PM
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Well, I decided to just order the A4.
Premium plus w/nav
6MT
18" sport package
B & O sound system upgrade
dark walnut trim
Ice Silver with black interior
$300 under invoice
Now I have to wait for 3 months. Sux but it will be worth the wait
Premium plus w/nav
6MT
18" sport package
B & O sound system upgrade
dark walnut trim
Ice Silver with black interior
$300 under invoice
Now I have to wait for 3 months. Sux but it will be worth the wait
