I couldn't agree more...well said

 

Yes, my first hand experience is wrong, however, some stranger's opinion (AKA experience) is right b/c he works for a magazine.

How have you made it 42 years with opinions like that? Do you buy and listen to Miley Cyrus CD's too b/c someone somewhere wrote a good review of one of her songs? Then do you say it's better then the Beatles b/c someone else also said so in print or on the internet?

The biggest irony... you didn't reply with your driving experience to say you had a different opinion, you "magazine raced", thus proving my original point... those who say what you did have not driven an Audi 2.0T equipped car themselves. And I'm not talking about paid journalists who allow sponsorship and advertising to sway opinions... I'm talking real people in the real world. I thought that went without saying... but apparently it had to be said for you

 

Love my 2.0T Quattro Avant... I'm really glad I got the S-Line too, I hope your budget allows it. Looks awesome inside and out. If I had the TL I probably wouldn't want to look at it from certain angles, no such issues with the Audi.

 

Not that this matters, but i talked to the guy who bought my 04 A4.

Hes at 90k+ miles and hasnt had one issue since he bought it from me with 45k miles on it. Think he said he only changed TB/WP, coolant once and did oil changes.

Keep in mind that its been modified since it had 3k miles on her. Even around 20k miles i swapped the turbo for a bigger K04 which is STILL in her today.

Frick. Should have kept that car then.

 

^ You? Keep a car? Blasphemy!

 

I want the A4 Avant S-Line A6 Avant would be nice too.

 

I have driven more 1.8T/2.0T than you ever did. And even an A4 2.0T in an autocross event. Don't be silly. You can try to be a smart*ass all day long; you're still wrong.

 

^ - You do realize how stupid it is to argue about someone's experience, right?

 

So then why didn't you say that first? It holds more weight and clout than giving a magazine article as support for your argument. At this point, I doubt many are going to believe what you're saying because it's only appearing as if you are trying to save face after the fact.

And if you have driven as many 1.8T and 2.0T as you claim, you should have a lot more information to provide in rebuttal instead of giving a magazine article as proof. Topics like engine reliability, suspension performance, how modifications improve/lessen reliability, or how aged Audi's do with needing repairs, so many topics to address when comparing vehicles. But I guess a magazine article hasn't been written about all that yet for you to support your stance. :troutslap

 

I would do the SH-AWD TL over the A4. How do you like paying the same amount of money for a 4 banger instead of a V6? Also, in terms of exterior design, the A4 sedan is so bland looking it is a step back from the last generation. Sure, the TL has an ugly beak, but at least it is distinctive looking!!! LOL! Seriously, if you see a TL coming up behind you through the mirror, it actually looks darn good.

The only thing that matters to me, that the A4 has but the TL does not is the folding rear seats.

 

^ - Every 4th gen that comes up in my mirror...my thought is always the same, that is an ugly fucking car. Audi...good looking car

 

The only time this is an issue is at idle, the 2.0T sounds kind of rough. Power-wise, I like the fact that I get the power of a V6 with the fuel efficiency and weight of a 4-cyl. It's a smart engine.

When you see the A4 coming up behind you this is what you see:



That's not distinctive enough?

That and a sexy short front overhang.

 

I swear Audi and VW are made by IKEA. They look and run great new...its 2-3 years later that you realize you got a really well designed piece of junk.

 

^ - Yeah I'm going to disagree completely.

 

This isn't distinctive?

 

Havent had any experience with the 2.0T, but i had 02 A4 1.8t Quattro for four years.....gave me nothing but problems....towed 3x first year i had it. The middle 2 years went pretty well, although gutless...the last year "check engine" light kept going on every 3 weeks or so....kinda left a bad taste in my mouth with Audis. Their designs are great. When they run good they're a blast, especially in rain.

 

I probably wouldnt buy another Audi. But it was fun when it ran good!!

Right now i drive an 06 Infiniti G35 Sedan 6MT....33k trouble free miles and always a blast to drive.

Soon i will be joining the Honda/Acura family for the first time when i find an 06 RL !!!!!!!

 

^ everyone knows that 1.8T engine had several problems.

2.0T is a totally different story.

A4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> TL (fking ugly... and it's quite expensive!)

My gf is planning to pick up 2010 A4 Avant S-Line in 2 weeks! Can't wait to see it and drive it.

 

Wow, I'm so shocked at the number of people that have moved to Audi an VW on the board. Granted your gf isn't on the board [yet]. Send her an invite so she can post pics.

Post pics of your gf's car when she gets it in the Audi Thread!!!

 

well everyone ranted and raved about the 1.8t when it first came out too...as for the 2.0t, i guess i havent been paying much attention.

 

The 1.8T had some very well known issues with oil consumption and coilpacks blowing.

The 2.0T is a solid motor. FYI, it's offered in MANY vehicles by Audi and VW. Just to name a few, the tiguan, golf, gti, Jetta/GLI, passat, eos, cc, a3, a4 and a5.

The 2.0T has come a long way but is well known motor in the industry for it's performance. And it's further improved in the B8 platform.

 

WTF, $47K for a 211HP turbo four banger! Audi has learned from BMW on pricing cars and options.

 

I'd get the Audi, if it was about $10k less.

 

Yea but that 4 banger is just about as quick as Acura's 6 cyl Plus for very little money it can make a bunch more hp and be faster, while still besting the v6 in mileage.

Not to mention the looks are far superior to the TL

 

The HP gains from the reflash aren't much. However, the torque gains are

I'm running the 91 octane reflash on my 2.0T. They say the HP jump goes from 200 to 232; whereas, the torque goes from 207 lb-ft to 271! If we had 93 octane in California, I'd be somewhere around 292 lb-ft. And all it cost was $599. And there's still room for more power with the intercooler and BT setups. It's mind boggling how much power comes out of that little 2.0T and it's a stable setup. People just don't know much about them, and claim that because it's a 4 cyl it must be a crappy motor. The stigma of requiring a v6/v8 is rather cliche these days. Look at the evos/imprezas and vw/audis all running on 4 cylinder motors and operating at insane levels of power AND offering the ability to attain good gas mileage. It's a no brainer, but people think they are going to be emasculated because they bought a 4 cylinder.

People questioned my move from the CL-S to the A4 2.0T all the time mostly because of the switch from the v6 to a 4cylinder, but there really was no comparison because the 2.0T is a much better motor than any motor that acura offers at the present time. I believed that long before we purchased our Avant. That was why I wanted that car and not the 3.2. My friend owned a 3.2 A4 because he wanted more power than the 2.0t offered in stock form. I told him to just get the 2.0T and chip it, he disagreed, had the mentality, more cylinders is better. Now when he drives my car, he realizes the mistake he made.

 

In regard to fuel economy, according to actual test results from Car and Driver, the TL SH-AWD 6MT got 21mpg while the A4 2.0T Quattro got 22mpg. I think that's a pretty small difference considering one uses 2.0L engine while one uses a 3.7L engine. In terms of performance, the TL in this case is a 13's car trapping at over 100mph, while the A4 is a 14's car trapping at less than 95mph. Perhaps the A4 would be slightly faster with it came with DSG.

Then come to think about it, I believe the Japanese have been making 2.0L turbo engines that make around close to 300hp/300lbft of torque for more than a decade (Evo/STi). So to me it's not really surprising to see huge gains from chipping these 2.0T engines.

 

This pic was taken at the track almost 3 years after I drove it off the dealer's lot.



Oh, BTW, this so-called "piece of junk" had way less problems than my 04 TSX.

 

Will do for sure.

btw, she's already sick and tired of me surfing through AZ all day. so she might not like the idea of joining AZ

 

btw, we went to Audi dealership last week to test drive the car. (wtf Tony, you weren't there PM me if you see this. I want YOU to get the deal.) The MSRP of 2010 Audi A4 Avant Premium Plus + S-Line + Navi was about $43K.

I don't think that is overpriced at all.

@ people bashing on the "4-banger". Wait till it blows your doors off.

I think my MS3 can outrun TL SH-AWD easily.

 

which dealership did you go to?

 

Downtown LA Audi/VW/Porsche.

Sly, just realized that you are really not that far away from me. Which dealership did you go to when you bought your car? Is there any salemen who you can vouch for? We don't mind driving to your area, it's about 30 minutes away from downtown LA.

I heard that A4s can be bought at $500 over invoice these days!

 

I went through zag.com and if it is on the lot is is $300 under invoice. $50 over if it is at another dealer.
Pick my silver Premium + w/nav MT up on Monday. $39,970 out the door. I htink that is a great price.

 

You can also try Penske Audi in West Covina. I got my S4 from them. Ask for Mario Lopez, he's a great guy to work with.

 

i recently drove an A5 2.0T and was impressed by the power and smoothness. felt as powerful as the 3.2 in other audi's and the 3.5 in nissans and honda's ive driven

 

Damn, that Saved by the Bell and Extra money must not be doing much.

 

Don't forget the pagents...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww

 

We purchased ours from Rusnak. Steve Miller helped us. He seemed cool and up front. I don't go there for service though. I go to Penske Audi in covina for service. If you decide to go there for service, talk to Chris Martin.

I tried a few other internet sales dept at various other dealerships, I think pacific audi was one of them, and there were one or two others, but they all gave me the run around. Rusnak (Steve) was the only one that listened to what I wanted and did just that. he didn't try to mislead me or try to sway me into buying something I didn't want.

I live in Phillips Ranch, work in Pasadena. Whereabouts are you?

 

Yeah, I'm gonna agree with subinf and others... and completely disagree.

We've been Audi owners of two different models since 2005 and both of them have been as reliable as my CL was, and more reliable then my TL-S was. Additionally we know of many people with similar experiences.

Now, I cannot talk to the models prior to 2004/2005, so those may have been worse (and from what I have read some were problematic), however, 2005 and on are just as good as Acura IMO...

Anyway, Ikea is Swedish. You may be thinking about Volvo ...

 

I live in Anaheim Hills, work in Los Angeles Koreatown. Yes, that is far.

But I stay at my gf's apartment in Downtown LA mostly.

I think probably this weekend, we will send out emails to all the local dealerships to see what they can offer. Hopefully, one of them will be able to give my gf a great deal. AND, our Tony (S14 n TSX) works at Audi, so I'll ask him soon. It'll be great to help him out a little, if everything goes well with him.

I asked this salemen at Downtown LA, he said A4 Avants are hard to find thus less discount than A4s should be expected. Is it true?

 

For the most part yes, but then again, we special ordered our Avant, and based on my research, and IIRC, we only paid $250 over invoice for a fully loaded 2.0T Avant. Our special order took about 4 months to process. It was worth the wait. So if you can order your car the way you want to rather than settling for what they have on the lot, I highly recommend it. You'll enjoy the car that much more. Also, we didn't have to pay any additional cost to special order our Avant.

If you want to see the path I took on research, ordering, etc., look at this thread....

https://acurazine.com/forums/car-talk-5/our-08-audi-a4-avant-339742/