2008 M3 Sedan vs. new CTS-V vs. RS-4

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Old Jan 26, 2008 | 06:53 PM
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2008 M3 Sedan vs. new CTS-V vs. RS-4

Got a buddy with way too much money who is looking for a new car in the near future. He's got his sights on the M, but has some time to think about it.

If price didn't matter, which car would you drive and why?

Please keep your comments to just these three cars because he refuses to consider any others.
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Old Jan 26, 2008 | 07:12 PM
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I would rule out the M3 because I don't like the sedan, it's coupe or no BMW. Is the new CTS-V the 500hp one? If so, that would get my vote if you don't live somewhere that has snow. Audi RS-4 would be the most practical in my opinion
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Old Jan 26, 2008 | 07:16 PM
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where's the poll?

CTS-V FTW 550hp 550lb-ft
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Old Jan 26, 2008 | 07:36 PM
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I didn't include a poll because I am interested in arguments in support of opinion. I'm hoping for the CTS, I'm just looking for some more arguments for it besides the obvious 'it has more power'. I figure if I can make a good argument I might sway his opinion, but if I just say 'well 70% of the guys on Azine said so' he wouldn't care one bit.
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Old Jan 26, 2008 | 07:46 PM
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well the M3 sedan just doesn't do it for me in the looks department.
the cts-v looks the best to me, the rs-4 next.
now, having not driven any of them, it is hard to make a true judgement.
based on looks and 550hp, i choose the cts-v
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Old Jan 26, 2008 | 07:50 PM
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Why isn't the C63 AMG included? That'd be my pick.

Of those 3 however, I'd have to go with the CTS-V. Its interior is light years ahead of the M3s, it has a shit load of power, and its roomy enough if you transport people a lot. I'm sure the M3 is more agile, but I'm almost positive the CTS-V won't be too far behind.
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Old Jan 26, 2008 | 07:59 PM
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Tough Choice

This is tough.... No M3 sedan..... If a 4 door with speed is the object, the M5 is a better choice, but not in the argument.

I really like Audi, and the thought of being in a wagon that can blow the doors off of most cars is exciting. But.....


Originally Posted by sho_nuff1997
where's the poll?

CTS-V FTW 550hp 550lb-ft


Gotta give the Caddy its due..........550 is a number that makes me
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Old Jan 26, 2008 | 08:04 PM
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M3 Sedan is kind of goofy looking IMO...

CTS-V is a fuckin M O N S T E R . 550hp/550tq though I don't know when its coming out

Audi RS4 is a great mix of everything, and i'd probably end up getting that. It sounds so bad ass...I remember hearing one at the mall....wow.
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Old Jan 26, 2008 | 08:55 PM
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RS-4.
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Old Jan 26, 2008 | 09:03 PM
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Tough call.

I think the RS4 as well since i rarely see them. Im sure the M3 will be all over the place soon enough.
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Old Jan 26, 2008 | 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by shiftityourself
...If price didn't matter, which car would you drive and why?

Please keep your comments to just these three cars because he refuses to consider any others.
Your buddy sounds like a badge whore-- does he even know anything about these cars?

Beyond that, though, I'd only choose the car that I liked the best after driving it-- and that applies regardless of whether I was choosing an econocar or a mid-engined supercar.

The BMW M3 is not out yet and the CTS-V doesn't exist, so the RS-4 would be my choice of the three simply because it exists and can be driven on a highway in the US today.
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Old Jan 26, 2008 | 09:31 PM
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CTS-V FTW

4 seats an actual human adult can sit in, RWD, 550/550. Any questions?
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Old Jan 26, 2008 | 10:50 PM
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If it helps, Top Gear did a review of the RS4 v. M3 v. C63 ... I think he might find it interesting.

I'd probably go with teh RS4. I just love Audis.
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Old Jan 26, 2008 | 11:04 PM
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If look can be deceiving, the 3er remains the King who is always pleased to show that it is the best athlete in class. I don't believe that it gets any better than this.

This good.
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Old Jan 26, 2008 | 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Saintor


If look can be deceiving, the 3er remains the King who is always pleased to show that it is the best athlete in class. I don't believe that it gets any better than this.

This good.
I'll raise you this...

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Old Jan 26, 2008 | 11:12 PM
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I'll go against the wind and tell you that the M3 would be the first in my book. I like the way it looks, will be a great performer.
M3>CTS-V>RS4
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Old Jan 27, 2008 | 12:17 AM
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Old Jan 27, 2008 | 10:10 AM
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The main thing that would steer me towards the imports would be resale. I just don't think the cts could stand up in that dept. especially against the bmw.
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Old Jan 27, 2008 | 10:21 AM
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I think this is easy really. CTS-V FTW! It has much more power, a much nicer interior (and exterior IMO), it should be quite nimble, It will have a ton more features (and probably at a lower price than the other two) like a built in harddrive, sat/nav with weather and traffic, etc. I believe it is also the bggest in terms of passenger room (and probably the most comfy to boot). Did I mention that it will have a Corvette engine?!?!
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Old Jan 27, 2008 | 11:01 AM
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Thanks a lot guys

Originally Posted by charliemike
If it helps, Top Gear did a review of the RS4 v. M3 v. C63 ... I think he might find it interesting.
Thanks for suggesting that top gear. That helped a lot.

C63 is out of the question because it is way too ugly and because all that power doesn't really help much on the track when you can't control the car.

M5 isn't an option because another friend already has one.

Only question is will the CTS-V really be able to keep up with the M3 through the twistys? I know there's no way to know until the car comes out, but having driven the last CTS-V I'm really having a hard time imagining the new one being quick through the corners. Anybody driven the new CTS?
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Old Jan 27, 2008 | 11:24 AM
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C63 ugly?!?!?!?!?!?!
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Old Jan 27, 2008 | 11:35 AM
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Ugly as too much boyracer styled. BTW I sat in the new C and couldn't believe how much cheapened the interior has become.
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Old Jan 27, 2008 | 11:36 AM
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While its hard to say now since the car isnt out yet, id say CTS-V. The new CTS is light years ahead of the old in handling and feel, and id bet the new V is even better. Not to mention it looks a HELL of alot better, has a interior that the BMW could only dream of. Not to mention a far more usable backseat.
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Old Jan 27, 2008 | 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by shiftityourself
Thanks for suggesting that top gear. That helped a lot.

C63 is out of the question because it is way too ugly and because all that power doesn't really help much on the track when you can't control the car.

M5 isn't an option because another friend already has one.

Only question is will the CTS-V really be able to keep up with the M3 through the twistys? I know there's no way to know until the car comes out, but having driven the last CTS-V I'm really having a hard time imagining the new one being quick through the corners. Anybody driven the new CTS?
If that track is a drag strip then the C63 will likely have already won the contest before it starts...particularly if history is any indicator.

....but yes, it is ugly.
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Old Jan 27, 2008 | 12:12 PM
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Ugly as too much boyracer styled. BTW I sat in the new C and couldn't believe how much cheapened the interior has become.
that was my problem with the car, i looked at a fully loaded C class and the interior layout is just pituful for a car that expensive. not to mention the steering wheel makes me want to vomit.
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Old Jan 27, 2008 | 12:23 PM
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of the 3 cars in the title i'd rock the new CTS-V coming out soon.
550 hp it will be an ANIMAL.
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Old Jan 27, 2008 | 02:00 PM
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RS4, drop another $5000 (Powertrain) into modifying it and you'll have a car that does 0-60 in ~4 seconds.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9Q9BbXxLHVg

Plus, the Audi looks much better than everything else :-\.
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Old Jan 27, 2008 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by TylerT
RS4, drop another $5000 (Powertrain) into modifying it and you'll have a car that does 0-60 in ~4 seconds.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9Q9BbXxLHVg

Plus, the Audi looks much better than everything else :-\.
Nice vid. I have a feeling they put a lot more than 5K into that car.

Modding is a whole different topic. Whatever car he gets he will be putting a LOT of money into it aftermarket. Does that change anyone's opinion? Personally I'd rather mod an rs4 because the AWD will make a ton of HP much more usable. However I remember reading that the m3 sedan was built to use WAY more power than it comes stock with.
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Old Jan 27, 2008 | 03:14 PM
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M3 if you want finese or CTS-V if you want brute force, drop the hammer speed...


the RS-4 is overpriced and I think it looks dated...
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Originally Posted by shiftityourself
Nice vid. I have a feeling they put a lot more than 5K into that car.

Modding is a whole different topic. Whatever car he gets he will be putting a LOT of money into it aftermarket. Does that change anyone's opinion? Personally I'd rather mod an rs4 because the AWD will make a ton of HP much more usable. However I remember reading that the m3 sedan was built to use WAY more power than it comes stock with.
I think that if he wants to be punched in the mind, he needs to drive the C63.
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Old Jan 27, 2008 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by TylerT
RS4, drop another $5000 (Powertrain) into modifying it and you'll have a car that does 0-60 in ~4 seconds.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9Q9BbXxLHVg

Plus, the Audi looks much better than everything else :-\.
I voted RS4.
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Tell him to watch the 3 part top gear episode on you tube i like their observations about cars
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That supercharged rs4 is sick!
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Old Jan 27, 2008 | 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Saintor
Ugly as too much boyracer styled. BTW I sat in the new C and couldn't believe how much cheapened the interior has become.


The C is cheeeeep-looking inside and was for its last generation. I remember sitting in a last-gen C and it had a handle for seat adjustment rather than electronics! OTOH, BMW interiors, while stark, look higher-quality to me. The M3 just tells people...."just drive me. You don't give a s*it about that phone call, anyway. Fling me around a corner already, willya?" Nothing wrong with that....there IS a reason it's called the "ultimate driving machine".

The Caddy will beat both on interior amenities, I'm sure... I am hoping the handling will be good. Hauling over 4k pounds, though, it'll take a lot to keep that car from prodigious body roll in the corners.
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Originally Posted by TylerT
RS4, drop another $5000 (Powertrain) into modifying it and you'll have a car that does 0-60 in ~4 seconds.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9Q9BbXxLHVg

Plus, the Audi looks much better than everything else :-\.
I thought that movie looked familiar.

https://acurazine.com/forums/car-talk-5/mtm-supercharged-b7-audi-rs4-clubsport-372916/
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Old Jan 27, 2008 | 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Will Y.
the CTS-V doesn't exist
yes it does.
it will be an 09 MY.
it is on the cover of the new C&D
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Old Jan 28, 2008 | 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by sho_nuff1997
yes it does.
it will be an 09 MY.
it is on the cover of the new C&D
I should have said the CTS-V doesn't currently exist for consumers, and won't be available for a while; the M3 sedan will be coming out in spring this year but is not yet available either.
I'm one of those who would generally not buy a car in its first model year and certainly not without driving an example, so neither the M3 nor the CTS-V would be on my list now even if I could afford them.
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Old Jan 28, 2008 | 01:08 AM
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I'd say RS-4 I like the image of the new Audi's. CTS-V is a killer in it's own right however.
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One of my female friends said if I had an M3 thing would get messy. I change my vote to the M3. Shit's nice.
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