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Old 07-03-2008, 03:28 PM
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1987 Ford Mustang - 400HP & 110 MPG

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Best mechanic ever: Ohio man tunes Ford Mustang to produce 400 horsepower and return 110 mpg

With gas prices setting record highs nearly every day, many Americans are being forced to trade in their performance cars and large trucks and SUVs due the high price of a fill up. But one Ohio man’s invention could be setting the stage for a V8 return.

Napoleon, Ohio’s Doug Pelmear claims that he has created a V8-powered 1987 Ford Mustang that develops 400 horsepower and 500 lb-ft of torque on E85, can accelerate from 0-60 in about three seconds – on its way to a top speed of 180 mph – and still returns an astonishing 110 mpg.

Although a 400 horsepower economy car sounds too good to be true, Toledo’s Rocket Ventures, a subsidiary of the Regional Growth Partnership, has verified Pelmear’s claim, according to OzarksFirst.com.

Pelmear has yet to reveal what’s exactly under the hood of his Mustang – as he’s still waiting on a few patents – but says his work is based off the work of his grandfather who developed fuel-saving techniques during the 1940s.

Pelmear has even entered his car into the Progressive Automotive X Prize, one of the world’s foremost green car competitions that challenges contestants to “design viable, clean and super-efficient cars that people want to buy.” If you ask us, the judges should just hand over the $10 million grand prize to Pelmear right now.
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If true, this is the greatest news US manufactures could have ever heard.
Old 07-03-2008, 04:59 PM
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If true, this is the greatest news US manufactures could have ever heard.
Agreed. It'll make this guy a very rich man.
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He uses this:

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Im calling BS
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I am calling that guy comes up missing via the oil / gas companies...... they didn't say what happened to his grandfather.... did they?...
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no sh*t.. that guy better watch his back!!
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wtf.








WTF?














I could be getting 5x better gas mileage? Who's been holding out on me? And of all things, he put it in a Foxbody
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I could be getting 5x better gas mileage? Who's been holding out on me? And of all things, he put it in a Foxbody
I get the same feeling.. its like, these bloodsucking greedy tyrants somewhere are KNOWINGLY and unabashedly TOTALLY SCREWING US when THEY KNOW of some technologies where we could be getting insanely better economy.
Old 07-04-2008, 12:06 PM
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Even if it is true, the "man" will buy him out, and his invention will never see the light of day...
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Total BS.

Think about it for a second, the engine he is using used to get about 14mpg. now it gets 110. If you assume that 110 is the max, that means 110 is 100% effeciency and he was previously only getting a little less than 13% effeciancy out of the gas he was using. How could an engine POSSIBLY be that bad? The answer is, it couldnt. I could make an engine out of Legos that would be more efficient than 13%. This is complete and utter BS.
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Originally Posted by TzarChasm
Total BS.

Think about it for a second, the engine he is using used to get about 14mpg. now it gets 110. If you assume that 110 is the max, that means 110 is 100% effeciency and he was previously only getting a little less than 13% effeciancy out of the gas he was using. How could an engine POSSIBLY be that bad? The answer is, it couldnt. I could make an engine out of Legos that would be more efficient than 13%. This is complete and utter BS.
I think it has credibility. 0-60 in 3 seconds with a terminal velocity of 180 mph? I wouldn't doubt it if he pushed the car off a cliff or dropped it off from the back of a moving airplane. 400 horses is easy, as for 110 mpg just find a really long, straight downhill road and coast all the way down.

Hardly impossible IMO..........................
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110 meters per gallon! whats all the fuss about?!
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Originally Posted by DarkSithCL
I am calling that guy comes up missing via the oil / gas companies...... they didn't say what happened to his grandfather.... did they?...
LOLOLOL so true!
Old 07-06-2008, 10:14 AM
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Even if his claims are true, it's still E85. It's not a viable to any of our problems since we can't grow even close to enough corn, and less clean than gas. There are more reasons E85 sucks but I won't get into it.
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Originally Posted by TzarChasm
Total BS.

Think about it for a second, the engine he is using used to get about 14mpg. now it gets 110. If you assume that 110 is the max, that means 110 is 100% effeciency and he was previously only getting a little less than 13% effeciancy out of the gas he was using. How could an engine POSSIBLY be that bad? The answer is, it couldnt. I could make an engine out of Legos that would be more efficient than 13%. This is complete and utter BS.
While I don't believe this guy's claim either, 13-15% efficiency out of an internal combustion engine is normal.

An internal combustion engine is a heat engine. The engine and fuel start out in one thermodynamic state and then through the 4 stroke cycle, the fuel is turned into heat and turned into mechanical energy. The very fact that all car engines have a cooling system to remove excess heat means that not all of the heat being created is used.

Also, take into consideration that the car in question is a 1987 50 Mustang, not exactly known for efficiency.

I'm not saying this story is true, but IC engines are far from efficient.
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This guy sums it up pretty good:

Fuel mileage is limited by the energy content of the fuel, the laws of thermodynamics, and by frictional and aerodynamic loses. Gasoline has energy of combustion 11,000 calories/gram. That is the maximum energy that can go into a gasoline engine. The useful work is limited by the engine’s efficiency. The thermodynamic ideal gasoline engine is governed by the Otto cycle, which is a function of the compression ratio. The higher the compression ratio, the greater the engine efficiency. For a compression ratio of 10:1, the Otto cycle efficiency is approximately 60%. This means that you should expect 6 gallons of work out of every 10 gallons of gasoline.
However, real cars are effectively much less efficient than the Otto cycle. They may do about 12-15%. Heat losses, braking losses, drive train losses, rolling resistance, aerodynamic losses…the list goes on. The automobile manufacturers have actually done an excellent job in reducing these loses. The question remains: Just how realistic is the claim of 110 mpg?
It turns out that an ideal Otto engine driving a car at 60 mph with no rolling resistance requires a coefficient of drag of 0.33 to achieve this fuel economy. A somewhat less slippery car should be able to do it at slower speeds. The bugaboo is that this scenario requires substantial reductions in all loss mechanisms–unrealistic reductions. The claim is that the super efficient Mustang is powered by a 400 hp engine. However, it can produce no more than 17 hp at cruising speed in order to get 110 mpg.
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This guy sums it up pretty good:

Fuel mileage is limited by the energy content of the fuel, the laws of thermodynamics, and by frictional and aerodynamic loses. Gasoline has energy of combustion 11,000 calories/gram. That is the maximum energy that can go into a gasoline engine. The useful work is limited by the engine’s efficiency. The thermodynamic ideal gasoline engine is governed by the Otto cycle, which is a function of the compression ratio. The higher the compression ratio, the greater the engine efficiency. For a compression ratio of 10:1, the Otto cycle efficiency is approximately 60%. This means that you should expect 6 gallons of work out of every 10 gallons of gasoline.
However, real cars are effectively much less efficient than the Otto cycle. They may do about 12-15%. Heat losses, braking losses, drive train losses, rolling resistance, aerodynamic losses…the list goes on. The automobile manufacturers have actually done an excellent job in reducing these loses. The question remains: Just how realistic is the claim of 110 mpg?
It turns out that an ideal Otto engine driving a car at 60 mph with no rolling resistance requires a coefficient of drag of 0.33 to achieve this fuel economy. A somewhat less slippery car should be able to do it at slower speeds. The bugaboo is that this scenario requires substantial reductions in all loss mechanisms–unrealistic reductions. The claim is that the super efficient Mustang is powered by a 400 hp engine. However, it can produce no more than 17 hp at cruising speed in order to get 110 mpg.
but even if hes getting half that mpg, I would give em props.
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Originally Posted by wackjum
While I don't believe this guy's claim either, 13-15% efficiency out of an internal combustion engine is normal.

An internal combustion engine is a heat engine. The engine and fuel start out in one thermodynamic state and then through the 4 stroke cycle, the fuel is turned into heat and turned into mechanical energy. The very fact that all car engines have a cooling system to remove excess heat means that not all of the heat being created is used.

Also, take into consideration that the car in question is a 1987 50 Mustang, not exactly known for efficiency.

I'm not saying this story is true, but IC engines are far from efficient.
I suppose that its possible for a 1987 mustang to be as low as 13% although that would be pretty low.

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Most steel engines have a thermodynamic limit of 37%. Even when aided with turbochargers and stock efficiency aids, most engines retain an average efficiency of about 20%.[7][8]
Since the limit steel itself is only 37% the best you could do under any circumstance would be to hit a limit of a little less than 3times that 13%. Therefore the most he could possibly get would be 3X the 14mpg that it got normally. Still nowhere near the 110mpg he claims.
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Originally Posted by v6cord2k5
This guy sums it up pretty good:



but even if hes getting half that mpg, I would give em props.
Dont forget that the guy claims to be using E85 which actually has LESS stored energy than gasoline does.
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Even if it is true, the "man" will buy him out, and his invention will never see the light of day...
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Is that because the car was towed for 100 miles?

I'll believe it when I see it.
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Hey, I can't get past 400hp in a Fox Mustang doing 0-60 in 3 seconds.
Not without wrinkle slicks, a 3000rpm stall, a locker diff, and a nicely seasoned dragstrip.

110 mpg? Don't go there....
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My bet is that it was all downhill and he just coasted at idle the whole time
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with a 400 hp v-8 i don't believe it. Hell i don't even believe it with a v-6.
a car with that much hp , and that old(21 years old) isn't gonna do 110mpg.
i'd say even if he drove it like a grandma and shifted at fairly low rpms 18-19 mpg. and that's no traffic or not to many lights.

Hell a Prius is only doing like 50-55 mpg and that's all highway and that only has 1/4 of the hp of this animal.
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He is not getting 110 mpg when using all of the 400 hp. If his turbo is set to kick in at 5000 rpm, and he is cruising at 3000 rpm, then it makes sense that he is sipping fuel, because he it's a 4 cyl after all. Step on the gas and you'll see the true mpg...
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Originally Posted by dozorca
He is not getting 110 mpg when using all of the 400 hp. If his turbo is set to kick in at 5000 rpm, and he is cruising at 3000 rpm, then it makes sense that he is sipping fuel, because he it's a 4 cyl after all. Step on the gas and you'll see the true mpg...
Could you re-write this in english? Because I have no idea what your talking about.
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Could you re-write this in english? Because I have no idea what your talking about.
Not worth it.
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