1000hp Saleen S7TT Veyron-killer?
02-21-2006, 11:45 AM
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1000hp Saleen S7TT Veyron-killer?
might be hear-say and/or speculation and/or rumour-mill, but I thought it was a good read nonetheless... and not hard to believe, given Saleen's history as a company.
http://www.sportscarforums.com/f7/ne...s7tt-9790.html
New info on 1000hp S7TT!!!
Now, I want to preface this by saying I heard this not from a Saleen engineer, but from a guy who knows a Saleen engineer, so it is technically heresay. That said, I tend to believe it, because the same guy told me famed Mustang tuner Saleen was developing a non-Stang based supercar, long before it was in any publications, and loooong before it appeared at the Pebble Beach concours. Apparently, they had been using Jay Leno's chin to block so that no one could get spy-shots...LOL.
Well, that aformentioned gentleman has advised me that those reports of a 1000hp S7TT being tested at 260+ may not be as far-fetched as I had believed. Apparently, Saleen is working on a 1000hp+ plus, REDUCED DOWNFORCE version of the S7TT. Apparently the new version uses the same underbody as the original '03 NA S7, which made about 3000 pounds of downforce at 160mph. The '05 S7TT made about 4800 pounds at 160mph, (probably too much for even 1000hp to overcome mand break 253mph). Apparently with a 1000hp, and the reduced downforce levels, the S7 is capable of not only exceeding the Veyron's 253mph, but smashing past the 260mph barrier as well.
The 750hp TT version will still be offered as Saleen's ultimate track car. The 1000hp version is for less racing-oriented folks who want to use thier car like a Veyron owner would. Price is expected to be equal to the current S7TT's $550K USD.
Pretty incredible, I'm guessing that with the '03 underbody, the car will still make about 2200 more pounds of downforce than the Veyron, and still be a useful track car.
For equal $ though, I'll take the 750 hp version, 235mph is plenty for me. Give me the extra downforce.
Matter of fact, I think the '04 NA S7, when they upped hp to 600, and put in the different 1st gear, eliminating the need for a 1-2 shift before you hit 60mph is probably the best one out there, (150 pounds lighter than the S7TT-still plenty of power), Of course, I've driven that car, but never an S7TT, so I'm probably a little biased.
http://www.sportscarforums.com/f7/ne...s7tt-9790.html
Originally Posted by S7Kid
New info on 1000hp S7TT!!!
Now, I want to preface this by saying I heard this not from a Saleen engineer, but from a guy who knows a Saleen engineer, so it is technically heresay. That said, I tend to believe it, because the same guy told me famed Mustang tuner Saleen was developing a non-Stang based supercar, long before it was in any publications, and loooong before it appeared at the Pebble Beach concours. Apparently, they had been using Jay Leno's chin to block so that no one could get spy-shots...LOL.
Well, that aformentioned gentleman has advised me that those reports of a 1000hp S7TT being tested at 260+ may not be as far-fetched as I had believed. Apparently, Saleen is working on a 1000hp+ plus, REDUCED DOWNFORCE version of the S7TT. Apparently the new version uses the same underbody as the original '03 NA S7, which made about 3000 pounds of downforce at 160mph. The '05 S7TT made about 4800 pounds at 160mph, (probably too much for even 1000hp to overcome mand break 253mph). Apparently with a 1000hp, and the reduced downforce levels, the S7 is capable of not only exceeding the Veyron's 253mph, but smashing past the 260mph barrier as well.
The 750hp TT version will still be offered as Saleen's ultimate track car. The 1000hp version is for less racing-oriented folks who want to use thier car like a Veyron owner would. Price is expected to be equal to the current S7TT's $550K USD.
Pretty incredible, I'm guessing that with the '03 underbody, the car will still make about 2200 more pounds of downforce than the Veyron, and still be a useful track car.
For equal $ though, I'll take the 750 hp version, 235mph is plenty for me. Give me the extra downforce.
Matter of fact, I think the '04 NA S7, when they upped hp to 600, and put in the different 1st gear, eliminating the need for a 1-2 shift before you hit 60mph is probably the best one out there, (150 pounds lighter than the S7TT-still plenty of power), Of course, I've driven that car, but never an S7TT, so I'm probably a little biased.
02-21-2006, 11:51 AM
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Yea, these days, you need to be able to do 260+. Life is just too boring, otherwise.
02-21-2006, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Sdog2012
you'd think pretty soon cars wont be able to go much faster!Cars can become lighter, engines can get more powerfull, tires can be better formulated. I think cars can go much faster than 260, the only limit is the balls of the driver, and the length of the track.
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02-21-2006, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by GIBSON6594
Makes you wonder how quick a car can be. Whats the fastest to 60 right now, maybe 2.8-3 seconds?
What's it gonna be in 10 years? 0-60 in 1 second?
What's it gonna be in 10 years? 0-60 in 1 second?
02-21-2006, 12:42 PM
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not unless it's connected to the road via magnets... street tires have limits. 0-60 in the range you quoted is about as fast as you can get on street tires... anything faster and you'll need slicks and/or some kind of glue, or magnets or I dunno maybe a rocket booster...
02-21-2006, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by GIBSON6594
So you are saying that the super cars of today boast 0-60 times about as fast as current tire technology will allow. It won't be getting any faster anytime soon?
02-21-2006, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by GIBSON6594
lol...I drive a TSX, what do you think? 
02-21-2006, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by GIBSON6594
So you are saying that the super cars of today boast 0-60 times about as fast as current tire technology will allow. It won't be getting any faster anytime soon?
*The* fastest accelerating cars (or any vehicle made by man) today are top fuel dragsters. They will do 0-100 in 1 second or less, pull more G's than a space shuttle launch and run the quarter mile in about 4 seconds at 320+ MPH.
About 8000HP depending on the tune of the engine.
However they dont use street tires (obivously)... and they dont turn very well either...
But they would make the best supercar look like it wasn't moving over the 1/4 mile.
02-21-2006, 01:39 PM
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haha... what's the fastest car you've ever driven? what's the fastest you've been a passenger in?
02-21-2006, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by GIBSON6594
I guess the fastest cars i've driven are all in the same range. an 02 M3, a 04 STI, an 02 Mustang Cobra. Nothing crazy...
02-21-2006, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by SiGGy
*The* fastest accelerating cars (or any vehicle made by man) today are top fuel dragsters. They will do 0-100 in 1 second or less, pull more G's than a space shuttle launch and run the quarter mile in about 4 seconds at 320+ MPH.
About 8000HP depending on the tune of the engine.
However they dont use street tires (obivously)... and they dont turn very well either...
But they would make the best supercar look like it wasn't moving over the 1/4 mile.
About 8000HP depending on the tune of the engine.
However they dont use street tires (obivously)... and they dont turn very well either...
But they would make the best supercar look like it wasn't moving over the 1/4 mile.
Do you think their potential could ever practically be reached?
02-21-2006, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by srika
Oic. Was just curious. So I think it's safe to say that you would think the Veyron - which hits 60 in approx. 2.9 sec - is fast. Just wanted to make sure you weren't some top Pro-street drag-racer hiding out at AZ...
Srika i cant get enough of your posts brotha !
02-21-2006, 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by GIBSON6594
So you are saying that the super cars of today boast 0-60 times about as fast as current tire technology will allow. It won't be getting any faster anytime soon?
correct, and street tire technology isn't there to do 250+
02-22-2006, 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by CLpower
correct, and street tire technology isn't there to do 250+
Originally Posted by srika
yup - not on street tires.
02-22-2006, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by goldmemberer
The tires used by the Veyron and McLaren F1 are technically "street," are they not?
You mean, "not on current street tires." That technology will evolve too, but it's very obvious that it will remain the bottleneck in the speed race.
02-22-2006, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by goldmemberer
You mean, "not on current street tires."
02-22-2006, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by cusdaddy
But they don't do much more than 250 mph
There is no real need for this to evolve. Who in their right mind needs a street car that does 250+ mph
There is no real need for this to evolve. Who in their right mind needs a street car that does 250+ mph
02-22-2006, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Edr0e
The Bugatti is more advanced. Its an engineering masterpiece. Saleen S7 with the upgraded turbos will be fast no doubt but the Bugatti will walk on that S7.
02-22-2006, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Edr0e
The Bugatti is more advanced. Its an engineering masterpiece. Saleen S7 with the upgraded turbos will be fast no doubt but the Bugatti will walk on that S7.
Consider this:
Bugatti Veyron:
0-60 mph: 2.9 seconds.
0-100 mph: 6.0
0-150 mph: 11.0
0-200 mph: 22.0
standing 1/4 mile: 10.8 seconds @ 140 mph
Top Speed: 253 mph
0-60 mph: 2.9 seconds.
0-100 mph: 6.0
0-150 mph: 11.0
0-200 mph: 22.0
standing 1/4 mile: 10.8 seconds @ 140 mph
Top Speed: 253 mph
Viper Venom 1000:
0-60 mph: 2.9 sec.
0-100 mph: 5.9 sec.
0-150 mph: 10.9 sec.
0-200 mph: 19.9 sec.
0-60 mph: 2.9 sec.
0-100 mph: 5.9 sec.
0-150 mph: 10.9 sec.
0-200 mph: 19.9 sec.
I won't say anything about the Veyron's weight. 
for further analysis - read post #21 in this thread:
https://acurazine.com/forums/car-talk-5/wanna-beat-veyron-buy-323289/#post4486442
02-22-2006, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DownUnder
I'm sure that TT S7 will own a Veyron on the track and acceleration, the power to ratio on the S7 will be a lot better then the Veyron. The Veyron is a pig of a car.
02-22-2006, 12:37 PM
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I agree. The only performance figure that the Veyron may beat a S7TT 1000-hp is in 0-60 as the Veyron is AWD, but overall the Veyron is pretty heavy.
Which would I rather drive, I'd take the Veyron, but I'm almost certain the S7 would be faster
Which would I rather drive, I'd take the Veyron, but I'm almost certain the S7 would be faster
02-22-2006, 12:39 PM
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damn... I would take the S7TT over the Veyron without even thinking.
02-22-2006, 12:58 PM
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^^^ hahaha... gg.
02-22-2006, 01:30 PM
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btw here's a few pics for reference
02-22-2006, 02:39 PM
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I'm sure its removable 
02-22-2006, 03:51 PM
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look at how big the car is... it's not a small car. yet it weighs 2950 lbs. that's engineering, folks.
02-22-2006, 04:08 PM
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02-22-2006, 04:12 PM
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also - the 750hp version isn't much slower than the Veyron.
nice pics here too:
http://www.seriouswheels.com/top-200...Twin-Turbo.htm
---- Specifications ----
Price $555,000
Production --
Engine 7 liter V8
Weight 2950 lbs
Aspiration twin turbochargers
Torque 700 lb-ft @ 4800 rpm
HP 750 hp @ 6300 rpm
HP/Weight 3.9 lbs per hp
HP/Liter 107.1 hp per liter
1/4 mile 10.7 seconds @ 136 mph
0-60 mph 2.8 seconds
Top Speed --
nice pics here too:
http://www.seriouswheels.com/top-200...Twin-Turbo.htm
---- Specifications ----
Price $555,000
Production --
Engine 7 liter V8
Weight 2950 lbs
Aspiration twin turbochargers
Torque 700 lb-ft @ 4800 rpm
HP 750 hp @ 6300 rpm
HP/Weight 3.9 lbs per hp
HP/Liter 107.1 hp per liter
1/4 mile 10.7 seconds @ 136 mph
0-60 mph 2.8 seconds
Top Speed --
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For the 2005 S7 Twin Turbo, the redesigned front and rear diffusers, along with the new rear spoiler, result in a 40 percent reduction in aero drag and a 60 percent increase in down force. Those of you who know anything about aero forces recognize the significance of that last statement. Typically, you would have to trade down force to reduce aero drag. Interesting quote... this might allow the car to reach 220+mph.
I am talking about top speed here, not acceleration... The current s7R tops out at 220mph. How can the street trim 2005 saleen which is barely capable of reaching 205mph (aerodynamically) beat the veyron @ 200mph +?
248.5 mph > * any V8 saleen or the non aerodynamic hennessy viper.
To go 220 mph in a car that was designed to go nowhere near that fast ie: SRT-10 that would be near suicide. It would also be pretty outrageus to even consider the SRT-10 can be made faster than a veyron... thats like comparing a 10 second honda to the srt-10.
I am talking about top speed here, not acceleration... The current s7R tops out at 220mph. How can the street trim 2005 saleen which is barely capable of reaching 205mph (aerodynamically) beat the veyron @ 200mph +?
248.5 mph > * any V8 saleen or the non aerodynamic hennessy viper.
To go 220 mph in a car that was designed to go nowhere near that fast ie: SRT-10 that would be near suicide. It would also be pretty outrageus to even consider the SRT-10 can be made faster than a veyron... thats like comparing a 10 second honda to the srt-10.