10 and 2? or 9 and 3?
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10 and 2? or 9 and 3?
Where do you guys position your hands on the steering wheel? Ever since I first started driving in a 97 Civic, I naturally settled on 9 and 3, and just couldn't go about it any other way. The grips protruding from the airbag section were right there, a nice part for my thumbs to settle against. Even if I'm taking a hard corner, I try and keep it at around 9 and 3ish. Much easier to control that way, IMO.
I try not to rest my hand on the shifter.... it's more like I rest my elbow on the armrest and just settle my palm on the shifter. And occasionally I'll slack off, one hand on the steering wheel at 10 or at around 7:30 if my left arm feels tight.
I try not to rest my hand on the shifter.... it's more like I rest my elbow on the armrest and just settle my palm on the shifter. And occasionally I'll slack off, one hand on the steering wheel at 10 or at around 7:30 if my left arm feels tight.
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http://www.smartmotorist.com/driving...ing-wheel.html
From the first day in driving school, this lesson is drilled into our heads: Firmly grip the steering wheel in the 10-2 position. Now, law enforcement agencies are training officers to place their hands lower on the steering wheel, and some drivers' groups are changing position on hand position.
For more than a year at the San Jose, Calif., Police Department, the recommended hold has been 9-3. The American Automobile Association also prefers 9-3. For the California Highway Patrol, the position can be as low as 8-4. "My daughter came back from driving class and said they were teaching her to hold the wheel at 10-2," said Robert Sepulveda, a San Jose officer who has trained new cops in proper driving techniques. "I told her that's not what we teach . . . that 10-2 is inappropriate."
The 10-2 position is the traditional favorite because, in theory, a higher grip allows a driver to keep the car running smoothly without needing to jerk the wheel suddenly if he is cut off or there is a hazard in the road. But air bags are changing that equation. During a collision, the bag will explode out at more than 100 mph, protecting the driver's head and chest from slamming into the front of the vehicle. With the hands at 10-2 or higher on the wheel, a driver's arms can get walloped or thrown back into his face if an air bag deploys.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration takes a neutral position on the grip, saying there is not enough evidence of arms or wrists being broken by exploding air bags to recommend 9-3 over 10-2 or anything else. However, the agency does say that the arms of drivers holding the steering wheel from the side are not as likely to be caught between their bodies and the air bag.
At this point, most position changing is happening in law enforcement. Although the California Department of Motor Vehicles says it has no preferred position, many local driving schools say the DMV tells them to teach motorists the 10-2 grip. "It's 10-2 according to their 2001 handbook," said Ruth Zimmer, owner of Advantage Driving School in San Jose. "Of course, the DMV is always three years behind."
Many drivers do not heed any of the recommended positions as they cruise down a freeway. Some prefer the 10-and-a-drink position or the 1 o'clock only hold. "I'm bad. I'm bad. I know that," said Donnae Youngman, a legal assistant in Palo Alto, Calif., who usually rests her left arm on the window side while the right arm grips the bottom of the wheel. "If something crops up on the road when I'm driving, I'll go back to 10-2. But now they don't know if that is right?" That's right.
"I can help stir things up even further," said Steve Schwab, the police chief in Morgan Hill, Calif., who recently sent his officers to an emergency vehicle operations course in Alameda County where the recommended position was 7-5. "The reason is to ensure that if they crash and the air bag goes off, the driver's arms are pushed down or out, not up," the chief said. "But keep in mind that all this controversy about hand positions is targeted toward training drivers of emergency vehicles in high-risk situations."
For the CHP, 10-2, 9-2 or 8-4 are all approved positions. The reason: "All vehicle steering wheels and air bags are not created equal," said Pete Barra, public information officer for the CHP's Bay Area division. "Not to mention the comfort level of the driver's hand position."
But Gordon Booth, owner of Drivetrain in Willow Glen, Calif., doesn't go along with the idea that lower is better. "I don't think there is one catch-all hand position," he said. "If you are in fairly heavy traffic, I would disagree with anything less than 9-3. I much prefer 10-2 or even 11-1.'
Traffic cops say in recent years, another new position has gained considerable popularity. "Mostly, I see the left hand up on the wheel," said San Jose officer Sepulveda, "and the other hand on a cell phone."
For more than a year at the San Jose, Calif., Police Department, the recommended hold has been 9-3. The American Automobile Association also prefers 9-3. For the California Highway Patrol, the position can be as low as 8-4. "My daughter came back from driving class and said they were teaching her to hold the wheel at 10-2," said Robert Sepulveda, a San Jose officer who has trained new cops in proper driving techniques. "I told her that's not what we teach . . . that 10-2 is inappropriate."
The 10-2 position is the traditional favorite because, in theory, a higher grip allows a driver to keep the car running smoothly without needing to jerk the wheel suddenly if he is cut off or there is a hazard in the road. But air bags are changing that equation. During a collision, the bag will explode out at more than 100 mph, protecting the driver's head and chest from slamming into the front of the vehicle. With the hands at 10-2 or higher on the wheel, a driver's arms can get walloped or thrown back into his face if an air bag deploys.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration takes a neutral position on the grip, saying there is not enough evidence of arms or wrists being broken by exploding air bags to recommend 9-3 over 10-2 or anything else. However, the agency does say that the arms of drivers holding the steering wheel from the side are not as likely to be caught between their bodies and the air bag.
At this point, most position changing is happening in law enforcement. Although the California Department of Motor Vehicles says it has no preferred position, many local driving schools say the DMV tells them to teach motorists the 10-2 grip. "It's 10-2 according to their 2001 handbook," said Ruth Zimmer, owner of Advantage Driving School in San Jose. "Of course, the DMV is always three years behind."
Many drivers do not heed any of the recommended positions as they cruise down a freeway. Some prefer the 10-and-a-drink position or the 1 o'clock only hold. "I'm bad. I'm bad. I know that," said Donnae Youngman, a legal assistant in Palo Alto, Calif., who usually rests her left arm on the window side while the right arm grips the bottom of the wheel. "If something crops up on the road when I'm driving, I'll go back to 10-2. But now they don't know if that is right?" That's right.
"I can help stir things up even further," said Steve Schwab, the police chief in Morgan Hill, Calif., who recently sent his officers to an emergency vehicle operations course in Alameda County where the recommended position was 7-5. "The reason is to ensure that if they crash and the air bag goes off, the driver's arms are pushed down or out, not up," the chief said. "But keep in mind that all this controversy about hand positions is targeted toward training drivers of emergency vehicles in high-risk situations."
For the CHP, 10-2, 9-2 or 8-4 are all approved positions. The reason: "All vehicle steering wheels and air bags are not created equal," said Pete Barra, public information officer for the CHP's Bay Area division. "Not to mention the comfort level of the driver's hand position."
But Gordon Booth, owner of Drivetrain in Willow Glen, Calif., doesn't go along with the idea that lower is better. "I don't think there is one catch-all hand position," he said. "If you are in fairly heavy traffic, I would disagree with anything less than 9-3. I much prefer 10-2 or even 11-1.'
Traffic cops say in recent years, another new position has gained considerable popularity. "Mostly, I see the left hand up on the wheel," said San Jose officer Sepulveda, "and the other hand on a cell phone."
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anywhere from 10-6 actually, feels very awkward to have two hands up. even when i would take my tacoma off roading it was always with one hand on steering wheel and the other on the shifter, even when "drifting" through the loose gravel/dirt in turns. probably not smart but it worked very well for me
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My mom told me never to hold the wheel lower down because if you need to take evasive action, your elbows will wind up hitting your knees and you might crash. I must confess that when I cruise on the highway, I tend to have just one hand on the wheel either at 12 or 6.
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people actually use two hands two drive
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I use my knees.
or if i have to use my hand its at 12-oclock
or when im racing 9.5 and 2.5ish
or if i have to use my hand its at 12-oclock
or when im racing 9.5 and 2.5ish
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#19
Typically 12 with the left hand; it does force me to lean to the right slightly with my body I guess giving the aformentioned "gangsta lean". My new Mazda3 has thumb indents to have your hands at 9 and 3 so I use those sometimes. One hand (underhand grip) at 7 is also used. On the highway I use both hands on the midsections flanking the horn/airbag i.e hands not on the rim of the wheel but on th inner working of the sterring wheel.
But I agree with CCColts; I use one hand 95% of the time.
But I agree with CCColts; I use one hand 95% of the time.
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Where do you guys position your hands on the steering wheel? Ever since I first started driving in a 97 Civic, I naturally settled on 9 and 3, and just couldn't go about it any other way. The grips protruding from the airbag section were right there, a nice part for my thumbs to settle against. Even if I'm taking a hard corner, I try and keep it at around 9 and 3ish. Much easier to control that way, IMO.
I try not to rest my hand on the shifter.... it's more like I rest my elbow on the armrest and just settle my palm on the shifter. And occasionally I'll slack off, one hand on the steering wheel at 10 or at around 7:30 if my left arm feels tight.
I try not to rest my hand on the shifter.... it's more like I rest my elbow on the armrest and just settle my palm on the shifter. And occasionally I'll slack off, one hand on the steering wheel at 10 or at around 7:30 if my left arm feels tight.
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My shifter is pretty rigid. Try with all my might, without using my wrist I cannot pull it out of gear with just one finger. It's an old T56 with a short shifter
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I'd consider myself more disciplined than most stick drivers, my clutch still has no signs of slippage *knock on wood* eclipsing about 95,000 miles now, bought at 71k. Original clutch. Now, for the impressive part.... some of you probably didn't know but I have an LS1 Camaro. Clutches on these cars usually go out every 15k or so, for some odd reason
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#28
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I used to put my hand on the shifter until I had read about premature wear. Now, I just put that arm on the center console and just drive one handed. And after I had stopped doing that, I had noticed how much nick and scratches my shifter had gotten over the years.
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#30
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My Legacy has a Momo wheel with thumb bolsters at 10/2. So that seems to be a comfortable place. If I move down to around 9/3, the wheel spokes are in a good position as well.
#33
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I just put my thumb on 7 or 8 and let the car drive me. No need to drive with your hands let your fingers do the work.
Seriously though 9 and 3 feels the most natural to me and I like being able to slide a hand up/down the wheel from there if I have to make a sharp/quick turn or evasive action. 10 and 2 and I feel like I have to put more effort into steering than necessary.
Seriously though 9 and 3 feels the most natural to me and I like being able to slide a hand up/down the wheel from there if I have to make a sharp/quick turn or evasive action. 10 and 2 and I feel like I have to put more effort into steering than necessary.
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I figured someone would mention it which is why I tried to make note that my hand is basically just touching the shifter, not really putting any pressure on it. I'm not too sure about premature transaxle wear, but from what I can recall, it can put excess wear on the shift forks and cause popouts later on. I know it's not good practice to rest it on the shifter, and I try not to. I almost exclusively do it while in neutral since it looks funny when someone has both hands on the steering wheel at a red light.
My shifter is pretty rigid. Try with all my might, without using my wrist I cannot pull it out of gear with just one finger. It's an old T56 with a short shifter
so yeah, I definitely don't have to worry about transaxle wear.
I'd consider myself more disciplined than most stick drivers, my clutch still has no signs of slippage *knock on wood* eclipsing about 95,000 miles now, bought at 71k. Original clutch. Now, for the impressive part.... some of you probably didn't know but I have an LS1 Camaro. Clutches on these cars usually go out every 15k or so, for some odd reason![Wink](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif)
My shifter is pretty rigid. Try with all my might, without using my wrist I cannot pull it out of gear with just one finger. It's an old T56 with a short shifter
![Smile](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
I'd consider myself more disciplined than most stick drivers, my clutch still has no signs of slippage *knock on wood* eclipsing about 95,000 miles now, bought at 71k. Original clutch. Now, for the impressive part.... some of you probably didn't know but I have an LS1 Camaro. Clutches on these cars usually go out every 15k or so, for some odd reason
![Wink](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif)
Strangely enough, there is no mention of it in the current TL's manual.
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9 and 3. It is easier to control turning with my hands in those positions. I sometimes slip to 10 and 2 but try to avoid it.
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I could be wrong about the transaxle wear. IIRC that's what it said in my 97 Prelude manual and I believe I read the same thing in my 03 CL-S manual. Whether it was the transaxle or not I'm not sure but it definitely mentioned premature wear of something. I tried to break the habit after reading that as I used to rest my hand on the shifter as well.
Strangely enough, there is no mention of it in the current TL's manual.
Strangely enough, there is no mention of it in the current TL's manual.
I still need more info on this....I should maybe google.
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this is interesting, i would like to know more as well just for general knowledge as i dont own a challenger, but it seems like such a small thing, who knew it had such a big effect