ran my friends sti he bought 8 months ago after he kept thinking i wouldnt stand a chance in my cl. ended up tieing 1st 2nd and 3rd but when i shifted to 4th he lost me. im impressed with my cl! wish i was supercharged so id show him up.

 

another thing is that the sti has 215whp i believe which is exactlyy what i have.

 

Your friend can't drive....and I doubt it was an STi

 

I think your friend just cant drive. Tied in 1st? Something is wrong there....

 

i pulled on him in 1st, then he pulled a little in 2nd, then 3rd we were even, then 4th he smoked me

 

STI's dont have 215 horsepower.

 

nor does a CL-S, lol

 

He meant 215 horsepower at the wheels, which is measured on a dyno. It accounts for drivetrain losses, and is the actual power you put down. I think 215whp is pretty accurate for an STi, maybe a little low. 215whp is a little high for a CLS, I'm assuming a 6-speed. I'm 100% sure he isn't mistaking it for a WRX either, if its stock then all years of US WRXs have made 220+ hp, and 215whp is insanely high. Also assuming this is from a roll, which would be nothing ordinary really. Just what you would expect. If it was from a standstill, then his friend really doesn't know how to drive.

There's a lot to explain so I'll try to keep it basic. As for why a CLS would dyno similar whp numbers, the power from the engine has to travel less to the wheels. It goes from the engine, through the transaxle, through the axles, then to the wheels (tires), and then to the pavement. Its going to lose some power through the process because those drivetrain parts aren't perfectly efficient and thus rob some power in the process.

The STi has to transfer all that power too, the same way through the front wheels, but more of it goes to the rear wheels, in which case it goes from the transaxle, through a driveshaft, then a center differential, then another driveshaft, then through another differential, and finally again through the axles, then to the tires. It will lose more power because it has to travel through more components which is why the STi produces a similar whp output to the CLS. FWD and rear-mounted RWD vehicles have the fewest components for the power to travel through, whereas AWD vehicles, as you can see have the most.

Also there's usually a big discrepancy between one kind of AWD dyno from another, but 215whp for an STi may be a little low, but still seems about right to me.

 

well i have 215whp and yes i had my car dyno tuned. i have intake, headers and exhaust tuned with the apexi neo.

 

...a bad driver in the other car always makes your car look better

 

Poor kid. I'm happy for you OP. Don't listen to these losers.

 

It really does depend a lot on the driver of the two cars.

I prodded a STi at a stoplight once. He must have known how to drive his car because he launched off the line like a freight train rear-ended him at 50mph. There was no friggin' chance that my TL-S (6 spd) could even keep pace in 1st or 2nd gear. A properly driven STi runs 0-60 in about 4.8 seconds...why out of TL (or CL) territory!

 

i'd rather be a good driver than have a nice car.... it only takes money to have a nicer car... it takes skills to be the better driver... being an underdog i give you props.

 

Doesn't 215whp sound a little low for an STi though? I thought they were in the 250 range...I remember my friends stock Evo put down like 260whp before he started modding it.

 

260whp for a stock evo sounds a bit high considering they come with like 286 stock to the crank. but i might be wrong..

my cl-s dynoed at 230whp with headers, intake, exhaust and vtec controller. i still dont think i would have beat a stock sti, but you probably just outdrove your friend. driver is more important anyway, congrats

 

My stock evo IX put down 255hp on a dynojet. 286hp at the crank is what mitsu says, I think they underrated the true hp.

 

I like how Evo and STI guys think their cars are invincible. It's funny because my friends 95 Civic spanks modded STIs and Evos all day :-)

Anyways, Congrats on the run bro, represent for the CL!

 

Yeah, i'm sure that civic could see the Evo in the twisties

 

In case you didn't notice, he was talking about a straight run. Unless you go to Laguna Seca every weekend does it matter? they're street cars and get smoked by civics that are worth 1/4 of what the STI and EVO are worth. Nuff said.

 

Doesn't make it a better car, its just faster in a straight line. You can make any car go fast in a straight line with enough money (or big enough turbo).

 

Turbo's are for cars that are slow. NA is best (IMO)

 

ooh ok, thank you for clearing that up for me, didnt know they did that..kinda like the 03-04 cobras.

 

While N/A is great, it really doesn't put a smile on your face like a boosted car at high RPM...and there is no comparison in which sounds cooler

 

teh vtak kicks harder when n/a !!!

 

 

Good for you! Good Kill!

 

and i hope you forgot the red text

 

Exactly. True Honda cars like the NSX and S2000 don't need turbos. (cough) EVO and STI. Mugen can do all you need to your car to have a N/A monster. and about the Turbo cars sounding better...mmm...i can think of a whole lotta better sounding N/A cars...starting with one of these

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OBHbb172zJY

 

:darwinthread:

 

Then why are there so many S2k's and NSX with forced induction? FI isn't for slow cars, its for those who want more power out of their engine.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UQO4K_DOtzU

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uPs-5Qc4_q8

Its not really a debate, you like NA and I like FI, its all preference. No need to knock it though.

 

I did...shit

 

True. I respect your preference. It's all good. I just like a car that's all motor, like Ferrari, they STILL refuse to put any kind of FI on their cars. But shit, I myself am gonna have to go the FI way with a CT SC cuz I don't wanna wait around for my engine to be re-built and p&p etc. So it's all good!

 

bro werd...

 

It does sound like the guy in the STI didn't drive too well. I had a CL-S for 6 yrs and now have a Legacy GT, not as much hp as the STI, but close. I highly doubt my CL would take my Legacy off the line given a proper launch. With a good take off the subaru just hooks up and goes where the CL would spin the tires. On the other hand if you do not have a good take off, the subaru can be quite average off the line, like any care I suppose.

I don't really get into all of the numbers, but if I were to race my Legacy and CL, the Leg would get the jump and be a car or two ahead for about 30 seconds and then the CL would run it down and keep a car or two on it until one of them hit their top speeds. That is the impression I get anyway...

 

X2

 

I truly, its all good, believe that you , its all good, are on crack.

Its all good.

 

You're cool!