TSX Type-S THIS Fall?
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TSX Type-S THIS Fall?
Heh I'm pretty doubtful, but a salesperson at Pohanka Acura in Chantilly told my dad that a type-s version of the TSX would be available this fall... 
I don't suppose there could be any truth behind this?
I don't suppose there could be any truth behind this?
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I have serious doubts that there ever will be one because the car is ABOUT at its limits---getting a V6 in the bay would be difficult and the suspension is already pretty sports tuned.
BUT if you look at acuras release of Type-S cars the earliest you could expect it is in 2 years as a mid product cycle refresher
I have serious doubts that there ever will be one because the car is ABOUT at its limits---getting a V6 in the bay would be difficult and the suspension is already pretty sports tuned.
BUT if you look at acuras release of Type-S cars the earliest you could expect it is in 2 years as a mid product cycle refresher
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I've posted a message many times, but I have a source at Honda who has said this to me:
1. You'll never see a V6 in the TSX.
2. The earliest possible chance, assuming TSX sales went crazy, would be next year, but doubtful b/c the TSX is still so new over here.
1. You'll never see a V6 in the TSX.
2. The earliest possible chance, assuming TSX sales went crazy, would be next year, but doubtful b/c the TSX is still so new over here.
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i really doubt that the TSX will ever be available in a TSX-S. first off, type s means that it will have a stiffer suspension. the TSX already comes with pretty stiff suspension. secondly, what model from previous acura models changed their engine from a 4 cylinder to a 6 cylinder? or perhaps a 6 cylinder to a 8 cylinder? not a one... all type s cars stay w/in the same cylinder size, but upgrade the hp. they only room for improvement i could see would be a s2000 engine in the TSX, but not a v6.
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Sorry to bring up this up then. Of course the TSX will never see a V6 since it physically isn't possible, but in 2 years I wouldn't be surprised if a TSX Type-'R' came out with AWD and a souped up I4.
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Originally posted by RJC RSX
Sorry to bring up this up then. Of course the TSX will never see a V6 since it physically isn't possible, but in 2 years I wouldn't be surprised if a TSX Type-'R' came out with AWD and a souped up I4.
Sorry to bring up this up then. Of course the TSX will never see a V6 since it physically isn't possible, but in 2 years I wouldn't be surprised if a TSX Type-'R' came out with AWD and a souped up I4.
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Originally posted by captainjack
Forgive my dumbosity but what exactly are the differences between Type S & Type R?
Forgive my dumbosity but what exactly are the differences between Type S & Type R?
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Originally posted by captainjack
Forgive my dumbosity but what exactly are the differences between Type S & Type R?
Forgive my dumbosity but what exactly are the differences between Type S & Type R?
P.S. But from contexts I did get the idea that maybe it was something like what Tinky just said.
S = taking a basically polite car and making it kind of sporty
R = taking a muscle car and making it more muscle
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Originally posted by DEVO
The only thing that could happen... and it's a big if.... is for the Accord Euro R comes over... it's a 2.0 liter engine (smaller, less weight) with 220 (around there) hp.
The only thing that could happen... and it's a big if.... is for the Accord Euro R comes over... it's a 2.0 liter engine (smaller, less weight) with 220 (around there) hp.
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well ill give you an email exchange from my guy that used to work for honda R$D in ohio..and you tell me wht you think...note the date of this email and note the accuracy of what has already happened...this was posted july29th at acura -cl oh ya july 29th 2001
.Just got a reply from my freind JC...no not Jesus christ but some of you'll remember the LSD topic awhile back...im so excited so no shit about typing errors...here's a cut and paste...
Everything's going well. You haven't seen any posts from me...but maybe I should. I'm no longer with Honda. I don't know Tuan, as far as I know. It's probably an alias though...seems like he always has the inside scoop and therefore I'd believe that he works for Honda too. The only thing I didn't like about the 6MT CL was the blacked out headlights. (non reflector area is black)...personally I'd get the originals and put on it. I'm not certain, but I think the grille was changed slightly too...or maybe that was just the TL / TL-S. The shift feeling was pretty good on the 6MT and I think most of the linkage is directly from a Prelude. They also replaced the fake wood trim that looks...ahem...fake with nicer fake aluminum trim. The '03 Accord and the '04 TL will kick ass. Also, there were more than rumours that the Euro Accord would come over as an Acura model too.
later
JC
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Everything's going well. You haven't seen any posts from me...but maybe I should. I'm no longer with Honda. I don't know Tuan, as far as I know. It's probably an alias though...seems like he always has the inside scoop and therefore I'd believe that he works for Honda too. The only thing I didn't like about the 6MT CL was the blacked out headlights. (non reflector area is black)...personally I'd get the originals and put on it. I'm not certain, but I think the grille was changed slightly too...or maybe that was just the TL / TL-S. The shift feeling was pretty good on the 6MT and I think most of the linkage is directly from a Prelude. They also replaced the fake wood trim that looks...ahem...fake with nicer fake aluminum trim. The '03 Accord and the '04 TL will kick ass. Also, there were more than rumours that the Euro Accord would come over as an Acura model too.
later
JC
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Originally posted by TinkySD
not enough torque in that thing for my taste. The TSX uses a forged crank so I'm betting the weigh tincrase is minimal....50lbs max. What I would be interesting in seeing is the new i-vtec 2.2 litre going into the s2200. That could make for some fun.
not enough torque in that thing for my taste. The TSX uses a forged crank so I'm betting the weigh tincrase is minimal....50lbs max. What I would be interesting in seeing is the new i-vtec 2.2 litre going into the s2200. That could make for some fun.
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Originally posted by RJC RSX
Sorry to bring up this up then. Of course the TSX will never see a V6 since it physically isn't possible, but in 2 years I wouldn't be surprised if a TSX Type-'R' came out with AWD and a souped up I4.
Sorry to bring up this up then. Of course the TSX will never see a V6 since it physically isn't possible, but in 2 years I wouldn't be surprised if a TSX Type-'R' came out with AWD and a souped up I4.
The only thing that I can foresee happening, if there ever is going to be a TSX Type-S, are slightly thicker swaybars for a bit flatter cornering (or less understeer), slightly wider tires (225/45-R17s), and stronger brakes (seems to be a weak point in all the reviews I've read), and maybe another 20-40 horsepower using the same engine. Along with those changes, add power to the passenger seat, heated mirrors, and memory on the driver's seat.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by TSX-S2000
[B]Also not likely since the TSX uses a FWD setup and was probably designed without any provision for an AWD conversion. It would be too costly for that to happen (tooling, manufacturing, etc) for a low-production car.
The TSX (JDM Accord) was designed with Intergrated Motor Assist in each rear hub producing 50 hp each. Combine that with the current 200 hp (210 reportedly) and you get 300 but increased gas milage. Awhile back on the "other site" I posted info regarding this called "Beyond Type R" as a Honda rep indicated that with IMA they could compete with the M's and AMG's of the world.
If and I mean if Acura does this, it won't be until after the next RL is introduced.
[B]Also not likely since the TSX uses a FWD setup and was probably designed without any provision for an AWD conversion. It would be too costly for that to happen (tooling, manufacturing, etc) for a low-production car.
The TSX (JDM Accord) was designed with Intergrated Motor Assist in each rear hub producing 50 hp each. Combine that with the current 200 hp (210 reportedly) and you get 300 but increased gas milage. Awhile back on the "other site" I posted info regarding this called "Beyond Type R" as a Honda rep indicated that with IMA they could compete with the M's and AMG's of the world.
If and I mean if Acura does this, it won't be until after the next RL is introduced.
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Originally posted by Precision Crafted
The TSX (JDM Accord) was designed with Intergrated Motor Assist in each rear hub producing 50 hp each. Combine that with the current 200 hp (210 reportedly) and you get 300 but increased gas milage. Awhile back on the "other site" I posted info regarding this called "Beyond Type R" as a Honda rep indicated that with IMA they could compete with the M's and AMG's of the world.
If and I mean if Acura does this, it won't be until after the next RL is introduced.
The TSX (JDM Accord) was designed with Intergrated Motor Assist in each rear hub producing 50 hp each. Combine that with the current 200 hp (210 reportedly) and you get 300 but increased gas milage. Awhile back on the "other site" I posted info regarding this called "Beyond Type R" as a Honda rep indicated that with IMA they could compete with the M's and AMG's of the world.
If and I mean if Acura does this, it won't be until after the next RL is introduced.
It sounds like a great idea but I think we're a few years away from seeing any performance-enhancing IMA applications in the U.S. (by that I mean IMA being used mostly for performance rather than fuel economy). The general public in the U.S. probably wouldn't accept a setup like that with open arms -- we are too attached to big gasoline engine.
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Originally posted by TSX-S2000
Also not likely since the TSX uses a FWD setup and was probably designed without any provision for an AWD conversion. It would be too costly for that to happen (tooling, manufacturing, etc) for a low-production car.
Also not likely since the TSX uses a FWD setup and was probably designed without any provision for an AWD conversion. It would be too costly for that to happen (tooling, manufacturing, etc) for a low-production car.
edit: I just saw your above post (the forums are slow right now). IMA = instant torque on demand, and you would still have the gasoline i-VTEC up front, it's not like it's an electric car. So you get exceptional AWD performance with loads of torque and hp--fuel economy is just a nice byproduct.
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"Does the production-version JDM Accord actually use IMA or was it just done on a concept vehicle? I know Honda has been experimenting with IMA in a couple concept vehicles (such as the NSX replacement) but other than the Insight, I wasn't aware that they've actually produced a real car using IMA."
"It sounds like a great idea but I think we're a few years away from seeing any performance-enhancing IMA applications in the U.S. (by that I mean IMA being used mostly for performance rather than fuel economy). The general public in the U.S. probably wouldn't accept a setup like that with open arms -- we are too attached to big gasoline engine."
No. The platform was designed to beable to use it in the near future. As from what I can tell, the new RL will use IMA. Honda made an announcement in Nov of last year I believe that indicated that Acura will have a performance sedan in 12 to 18 mo. that will use IMA.
"It sounds like a great idea but I think we're a few years away from seeing any performance-enhancing IMA applications in the U.S. (by that I mean IMA being used mostly for performance rather than fuel economy). The general public in the U.S. probably wouldn't accept a setup like that with open arms -- we are too attached to big gasoline engine."
No. The platform was designed to beable to use it in the near future. As from what I can tell, the new RL will use IMA. Honda made an announcement in Nov of last year I believe that indicated that Acura will have a performance sedan in 12 to 18 mo. that will use IMA.
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Originally posted by Precision Crafted
I know Honda has been experimenting with IMA in a couple concept vehicles (such as the NSX replacement) but other than the Insight, I wasn't aware that they've actually produced a real car using IMA.
I know Honda has been experimenting with IMA in a couple concept vehicles (such as the NSX replacement) but other than the Insight, I wasn't aware that they've actually produced a real car using IMA.
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Hybrid TSX would be something to look at.. I can imagine a v6 in there before a type S on this 4 cylinder. If you're really looking for some more power, mod it out some. Parts will be coming out soon.
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I don't think there will be a Type S version here in North America.
Japan sells the Accord in the following trims:
Base - 2.0L K20 Engine
Premium - 2.4L K24 Engine
Euro-R - 2.0L K20-R Engine (same as the JDM Integra Type R)
I think it will also be highly unlikely they will bring over a Type R for the Integra.
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Japan sells the Accord in the following trims:
Base - 2.0L K20 Engine
Premium - 2.4L K24 Engine
Euro-R - 2.0L K20-R Engine (same as the JDM Integra Type R)
I think it will also be highly unlikely they will bring over a Type R for the Integra.
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Originally posted by RJC RSX
A V6 wouldn't fit in the tsx, it's as simple as that
A V6 wouldn't fit in the tsx, it's as simple as that
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Originally posted by wiz
Are you sure about that? It seems like there's an awful lot of room under the hood, at least when I was looking around under there...
Are you sure about that? It seems like there's an awful lot of room under the hood, at least when I was looking around under there...
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Originally posted by RJC RSX
Yeah I'm pretty sure. This came from some AHM engineers I talked to, so I assume they know what they're talking about.
Yeah I'm pretty sure. This came from some AHM engineers I talked to, so I assume they know what they're talking about.
nice of them to make sure there was plenty of room for a turbo then
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Originally posted by ClutchPerformer
What sense do you mean?
What sense do you mean?
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Originally posted by RJC RSX
Well admittedly I'm not 100% sure how the civic hybrid works, other than that it's some gas/electric combo. I was referring to IMA in a performance sense-- electric motors in the rear wheels that produce ~100hp and instant torque in addition to engine power to the wheels up front.
Well admittedly I'm not 100% sure how the civic hybrid works, other than that it's some gas/electric combo. I was referring to IMA in a performance sense-- electric motors in the rear wheels that produce ~100hp and instant torque in addition to engine power to the wheels up front.
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Originally posted by ClutchPerformer
Ah yes. Having 100% torque at 1 RPM is the only good thing about an electric motor in a car. I don't really see it happening on the TSX, though. Maybe in a second generation?
Ah yes. Having 100% torque at 1 RPM is the only good thing about an electric motor in a car. I don't really see it happening on the TSX, though. Maybe in a second generation?
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Originally posted by 2004_Acura_TSX
I should have just waited for the TSX Type S, but too late now. I am happy with the TSX I have now.
I should have just waited for the TSX Type S, but too late now. I am happy with the TSX I have now.
no use in waiting for a car that no one is sure of coming out, and if it does, it's likely to be a couple years
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Originally posted by RJC RSX
Yeah I'm pretty sure. This came from some AHM engineers I talked to, so I assume they know what they're talking about.
Yeah I'm pretty sure. This came from some AHM engineers I talked to, so I assume they know what they're talking about.
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Originally posted by ebcheon
[what model from previous acura models changed their engine from a 4 cylinder to a 6 cylinder? or perhaps a 6 cylinder to a 8 cylinder? not a one... [/B]
[what model from previous acura models changed their engine from a 4 cylinder to a 6 cylinder? or perhaps a 6 cylinder to a 8 cylinder? not a one... [/B]
