Rivian: R1T News
07-11-2020, 06:48 PM
#41
Ex-OEM King
They've said that they have enough cash on hand, no need for an IPO.
07-23-2020, 09:29 AM
#42
Tesla sues Rivian for IP theft
https://electrek.co/2020/07/23/tesla...trade-secrets/
Tesla is suing Rivian and four former employees over allegedly stealing trade secrets after being hired by the electric pickup truck startup.and allegedly bringing internal information with them.
Tesla has an ongoing lawsuit against former employees who now work at Chinese startup Xpeng, who Tesla claims have stolen its Autopilot source code.
Last year, Tesla claimed self-driving startup Zoox stole logistic secrets and later, the self-driving startup now acquired by Amazon settled and agreed to pay Tesla an undisclosed amount and conduct an internal audit to make sure it is not using any Tesla trade secrets.
Now Tesla is suing another startup involved with Amazon, Rivian, over similar claims.
Tesla wrote in a new lawsuit filed this week in a California court:
“Rivian is knowingly encouraging the misappropriation of Tesla’s trade secret, confidential, and proprietary information by Tesla employees that RiVian hires. In about the past week, Tesla has discovered disturbing pattern 0f employees who are departing for Rivian surreptitiously stealing Tesla trade secret, confidential, and proprietary information—information that is especially useful for startup electric vehicle company. And Rivian encourages those thefts even though Rivian is well aware of Tesla employees’ confidentiality obligations. In fact, 13 Rivian recruiters are from Tesla, and they themselves are still subject to Tesla’s confidentiality obligations.”
In the lawsuit, Tesla also names 4 defendants who used to work at the California-based automaker.
Two of them, Tami Pascale and Kim Wong, were recruiters at Tesla until recently.
The automaker claims that they downloaded critical documents about mass recruiting for production and sales as well as important payscale documents before leaving:
“Tesla investigators discovered the misappropriation and interviewed Pascale by phone on July 6, 2020. Pascale falsely denied taking any documents from Tesla. When pressed, she continued her denial, claiming to only have taken personal documents. Only after investigators confronted her with specific documents she had taken, Pascale finally confessed to taking the confidential and proprietary documents.”
In one case, Tesla claims that they can prove a former Tesla recruiter now at Rivian instructed her to get specific documents from Tesla:
“On July 7, 2020, after her conversation With Duran and the same day that Wong received an update on her background check by Rivian, she sent at least sixteen highly confidential and trade secret recruiting documents from Tesla’s network to her Gmail account, including various guides and templates developed by Tesla—the very types of documents that Duran had instructed her that Rivian needed.”
Tesla even claims that one of the recruiters that went to Rivian kept her Tesla work laptop and refuses to give it back.
Another defendant, Jessica Siron, was an EHS manager at Tesla and she recently left to join Rivian has the director of EHS for the startup.
The automaker claims that she stole documents related to manufacturing projects:
“These documents consisted of highly sensitive trade secret, confidential, and proprietary engineering information about manufacturing project management, controls specifications for manufacturing equipment, specifications regarding manufacturing robotics, and manufacturing equipment requirements. These documents would be used rarely, if at all, by Siron as manager of Environmental Health and Safety, yet she exported them shortly after accepting her offer at Rivian.”
Furthermore, Tesla claims that Siron was uncooperative in trying to remove documents from her personal cloud.
The last defendant is Carrington Bradley.
Electrek reported on Bradley last month in our coverage about how Rivian was hiring employees from Tesla’s Supercharger Network to build its own fast-charging network:
Rivian Adventure Network: Electric pickup maker hires Tesla staff to build charging network
Tesla wrote in the lawsuit:
“Defendant Carrington Bradley worked at Tesla as Manager for Charging Programs until he left for Rivian on March 20, 2020. Mr. Bradley’s role at Rivian is Senior Manager for Charging Development—presumably to build charging network for Rivian to mimic Tesla’s Supercharger network.”
The company claims that Bradley used his inside knowledge at Tesla to target critical employees to recruit for Rivian’s effort:
“On March 19, 2020, the day before he left Tesla to go to Rivian, Bradley forwarded to his personal email address list of highly curated select group of high-level Tesla employees Who are experts in the deployment and management of charging networks—precisely the type of team Rivian needs to deploy its own charging network. The information would allow Rivian to target for recruitment the members of that group, which is responsible for the selection, deployment, and management of Tesla’s global Supercharger network.”
Tesla also anticipates adding two additional currently unnamed former employees who they believe “likely misappropriated Tesla trade secret, confidential, or proprietary information” as defendants at a later date.
After bringing up these claims to Rivian’s general counsel, Tesla was unsatisfied with the response it got from the startup and initiated the lawsuit.
Electrek contacted Rivian about the matter and the company issued the following response denying Tesla’s allegations:
“We admire Tesla for its leadership in resetting expectations of what an electric car can be. Rivian is made up of high-performing, mission-driven teams, and our business model and technology are based on many years of engineering, design, and strategy development. This requires the contribution and know-how of thousands of employees from across the technology and automotive spaces. Upon joining Rivian, we require all employees to confirm that they have not, and will not, introduce former employers’ intellectual property into Rivian systems. This suit’s allegations are baseless and run counter to Rivian’s culture, ethos and corporate policies.”
To date, Tesla counted 178 ex-employees who have been hired by Rivian roughly 70 of which joined Rivian directly from Tesla.
Basically it’s Elon versus Bezos
Pop corn time.
.
Tesla is suing Rivian and four former employees over allegedly stealing trade secrets after being hired by the electric pickup truck startup.and allegedly bringing internal information with them.
Tesla has an ongoing lawsuit against former employees who now work at Chinese startup Xpeng, who Tesla claims have stolen its Autopilot source code.
Last year, Tesla claimed self-driving startup Zoox stole logistic secrets and later, the self-driving startup now acquired by Amazon settled and agreed to pay Tesla an undisclosed amount and conduct an internal audit to make sure it is not using any Tesla trade secrets.
Now Tesla is suing another startup involved with Amazon, Rivian, over similar claims.
Tesla wrote in a new lawsuit filed this week in a California court:
“Rivian is knowingly encouraging the misappropriation of Tesla’s trade secret, confidential, and proprietary information by Tesla employees that RiVian hires. In about the past week, Tesla has discovered disturbing pattern 0f employees who are departing for Rivian surreptitiously stealing Tesla trade secret, confidential, and proprietary information—information that is especially useful for startup electric vehicle company. And Rivian encourages those thefts even though Rivian is well aware of Tesla employees’ confidentiality obligations. In fact, 13 Rivian recruiters are from Tesla, and they themselves are still subject to Tesla’s confidentiality obligations.”
In the lawsuit, Tesla also names 4 defendants who used to work at the California-based automaker.
Two of them, Tami Pascale and Kim Wong, were recruiters at Tesla until recently.
The automaker claims that they downloaded critical documents about mass recruiting for production and sales as well as important payscale documents before leaving:
“Tesla investigators discovered the misappropriation and interviewed Pascale by phone on July 6, 2020. Pascale falsely denied taking any documents from Tesla. When pressed, she continued her denial, claiming to only have taken personal documents. Only after investigators confronted her with specific documents she had taken, Pascale finally confessed to taking the confidential and proprietary documents.”
In one case, Tesla claims that they can prove a former Tesla recruiter now at Rivian instructed her to get specific documents from Tesla:
“On July 7, 2020, after her conversation With Duran and the same day that Wong received an update on her background check by Rivian, she sent at least sixteen highly confidential and trade secret recruiting documents from Tesla’s network to her Gmail account, including various guides and templates developed by Tesla—the very types of documents that Duran had instructed her that Rivian needed.”
Tesla even claims that one of the recruiters that went to Rivian kept her Tesla work laptop and refuses to give it back.
Another defendant, Jessica Siron, was an EHS manager at Tesla and she recently left to join Rivian has the director of EHS for the startup.
The automaker claims that she stole documents related to manufacturing projects:
“These documents consisted of highly sensitive trade secret, confidential, and proprietary engineering information about manufacturing project management, controls specifications for manufacturing equipment, specifications regarding manufacturing robotics, and manufacturing equipment requirements. These documents would be used rarely, if at all, by Siron as manager of Environmental Health and Safety, yet she exported them shortly after accepting her offer at Rivian.”
Furthermore, Tesla claims that Siron was uncooperative in trying to remove documents from her personal cloud.
The last defendant is Carrington Bradley.
Electrek reported on Bradley last month in our coverage about how Rivian was hiring employees from Tesla’s Supercharger Network to build its own fast-charging network:
Rivian Adventure Network: Electric pickup maker hires Tesla staff to build charging network
Tesla wrote in the lawsuit:
“Defendant Carrington Bradley worked at Tesla as Manager for Charging Programs until he left for Rivian on March 20, 2020. Mr. Bradley’s role at Rivian is Senior Manager for Charging Development—presumably to build charging network for Rivian to mimic Tesla’s Supercharger network.”
The company claims that Bradley used his inside knowledge at Tesla to target critical employees to recruit for Rivian’s effort:
“On March 19, 2020, the day before he left Tesla to go to Rivian, Bradley forwarded to his personal email address list of highly curated select group of high-level Tesla employees Who are experts in the deployment and management of charging networks—precisely the type of team Rivian needs to deploy its own charging network. The information would allow Rivian to target for recruitment the members of that group, which is responsible for the selection, deployment, and management of Tesla’s global Supercharger network.”
Tesla also anticipates adding two additional currently unnamed former employees who they believe “likely misappropriated Tesla trade secret, confidential, or proprietary information” as defendants at a later date.
After bringing up these claims to Rivian’s general counsel, Tesla was unsatisfied with the response it got from the startup and initiated the lawsuit.
Electrek contacted Rivian about the matter and the company issued the following response denying Tesla’s allegations:
“We admire Tesla for its leadership in resetting expectations of what an electric car can be. Rivian is made up of high-performing, mission-driven teams, and our business model and technology are based on many years of engineering, design, and strategy development. This requires the contribution and know-how of thousands of employees from across the technology and automotive spaces. Upon joining Rivian, we require all employees to confirm that they have not, and will not, introduce former employers’ intellectual property into Rivian systems. This suit’s allegations are baseless and run counter to Rivian’s culture, ethos and corporate policies.”
To date, Tesla counted 178 ex-employees who have been hired by Rivian roughly 70 of which joined Rivian directly from Tesla.
Basically it’s Elon versus Bezos
Pop corn time.
.
07-23-2020, 10:46 PM
#43
Sanest Florida Man
https://electrek.co/2020/07/23/tesla...trade-secrets/
Tesla is suing Rivian and four former employees over allegedly stealing trade secrets after being hired by the electric pickup truck startup.and allegedly bringing internal information with them.
Tesla has an ongoing lawsuit against former employees who now work at Chinese startup Xpeng, who Tesla claims have stolen its Autopilot source code.
Last year, Tesla claimed self-driving startup Zoox stole logistic secrets and later, the self-driving startup now acquired by Amazon settled and agreed to pay Tesla an undisclosed amount and conduct an internal audit to make sure it is not using any Tesla trade secrets.
Now Tesla is suing another startup involved with Amazon, Rivian, over similar claims.
Tesla wrote in a new lawsuit filed this week in a California court:
“Rivian is knowingly encouraging the misappropriation of Tesla’s trade secret, confidential, and proprietary information by Tesla employees that RiVian hires. In about the past week, Tesla has discovered disturbing pattern 0f employees who are departing for Rivian surreptitiously stealing Tesla trade secret, confidential, and proprietary information—information that is especially useful for startup electric vehicle company. And Rivian encourages those thefts even though Rivian is well aware of Tesla employees’ confidentiality obligations. In fact, 13 Rivian recruiters are from Tesla, and they themselves are still subject to Tesla’s confidentiality obligations.”
In the lawsuit, Tesla also names 4 defendants who used to work at the California-based automaker.
Two of them, Tami Pascale and Kim Wong, were recruiters at Tesla until recently.
The automaker claims that they downloaded critical documents about mass recruiting for production and sales as well as important payscale documents before leaving:
“Tesla investigators discovered the misappropriation and interviewed Pascale by phone on July 6, 2020. Pascale falsely denied taking any documents from Tesla. When pressed, she continued her denial, claiming to only have taken personal documents. Only after investigators confronted her with specific documents she had taken, Pascale finally confessed to taking the confidential and proprietary documents.”
In one case, Tesla claims that they can prove a former Tesla recruiter now at Rivian instructed her to get specific documents from Tesla:
“On July 7, 2020, after her conversation With Duran and the same day that Wong received an update on her background check by Rivian, she sent at least sixteen highly confidential and trade secret recruiting documents from Tesla’s network to her Gmail account, including various guides and templates developed by Tesla—the very types of documents that Duran had instructed her that Rivian needed.”
Tesla even claims that one of the recruiters that went to Rivian kept her Tesla work laptop and refuses to give it back.
Another defendant, Jessica Siron, was an EHS manager at Tesla and she recently left to join Rivian has the director of EHS for the startup.
The automaker claims that she stole documents related to manufacturing projects:
“These documents consisted of highly sensitive trade secret, confidential, and proprietary engineering information about manufacturing project management, controls specifications for manufacturing equipment, specifications regarding manufacturing robotics, and manufacturing equipment requirements. These documents would be used rarely, if at all, by Siron as manager of Environmental Health and Safety, yet she exported them shortly after accepting her offer at Rivian.”
Furthermore, Tesla claims that Siron was uncooperative in trying to remove documents from her personal cloud.
The last defendant is Carrington Bradley.
Electrek reported on Bradley last month in our coverage about how Rivian was hiring employees from Tesla’s Supercharger Network to build its own fast-charging network:
Rivian Adventure Network: Electric pickup maker hires Tesla staff to build charging network
Tesla wrote in the lawsuit:
“Defendant Carrington Bradley worked at Tesla as Manager for Charging Programs until he left for Rivian on March 20, 2020. Mr. Bradley’s role at Rivian is Senior Manager for Charging Development—presumably to build charging network for Rivian to mimic Tesla’s Supercharger network.”
The company claims that Bradley used his inside knowledge at Tesla to target critical employees to recruit for Rivian’s effort:
“On March 19, 2020, the day before he left Tesla to go to Rivian, Bradley forwarded to his personal email address list of highly curated select group of high-level Tesla employees Who are experts in the deployment and management of charging networks—precisely the type of team Rivian needs to deploy its own charging network. The information would allow Rivian to target for recruitment the members of that group, which is responsible for the selection, deployment, and management of Tesla’s global Supercharger network.”
Tesla also anticipates adding two additional currently unnamed former employees who they believe “likely misappropriated Tesla trade secret, confidential, or proprietary information” as defendants at a later date.
After bringing up these claims to Rivian’s general counsel, Tesla was unsatisfied with the response it got from the startup and initiated the lawsuit.
Electrek contacted Rivian about the matter and the company issued the following response denying Tesla’s allegations:
“We admire Tesla for its leadership in resetting expectations of what an electric car can be. Rivian is made up of high-performing, mission-driven teams, and our business model and technology are based on many years of engineering, design, and strategy development. This requires the contribution and know-how of thousands of employees from across the technology and automotive spaces. Upon joining Rivian, we require all employees to confirm that they have not, and will not, introduce former employers’ intellectual property into Rivian systems. This suit’s allegations are baseless and run counter to Rivian’s culture, ethos and corporate policies.”
To date, Tesla counted 178 ex-employees who have been hired by Rivian roughly 70 of which joined Rivian directly from Tesla.
Basically it’s Elon versus Bezos
Pop corn time..
Tesla is suing Rivian and four former employees over allegedly stealing trade secrets after being hired by the electric pickup truck startup.and allegedly bringing internal information with them.
Tesla has an ongoing lawsuit against former employees who now work at Chinese startup Xpeng, who Tesla claims have stolen its Autopilot source code.
Last year, Tesla claimed self-driving startup Zoox stole logistic secrets and later, the self-driving startup now acquired by Amazon settled and agreed to pay Tesla an undisclosed amount and conduct an internal audit to make sure it is not using any Tesla trade secrets.
Now Tesla is suing another startup involved with Amazon, Rivian, over similar claims.
Tesla wrote in a new lawsuit filed this week in a California court:
“Rivian is knowingly encouraging the misappropriation of Tesla’s trade secret, confidential, and proprietary information by Tesla employees that RiVian hires. In about the past week, Tesla has discovered disturbing pattern 0f employees who are departing for Rivian surreptitiously stealing Tesla trade secret, confidential, and proprietary information—information that is especially useful for startup electric vehicle company. And Rivian encourages those thefts even though Rivian is well aware of Tesla employees’ confidentiality obligations. In fact, 13 Rivian recruiters are from Tesla, and they themselves are still subject to Tesla’s confidentiality obligations.”
In the lawsuit, Tesla also names 4 defendants who used to work at the California-based automaker.
Two of them, Tami Pascale and Kim Wong, were recruiters at Tesla until recently.
The automaker claims that they downloaded critical documents about mass recruiting for production and sales as well as important payscale documents before leaving:
“Tesla investigators discovered the misappropriation and interviewed Pascale by phone on July 6, 2020. Pascale falsely denied taking any documents from Tesla. When pressed, she continued her denial, claiming to only have taken personal documents. Only after investigators confronted her with specific documents she had taken, Pascale finally confessed to taking the confidential and proprietary documents.”
In one case, Tesla claims that they can prove a former Tesla recruiter now at Rivian instructed her to get specific documents from Tesla:
“On July 7, 2020, after her conversation With Duran and the same day that Wong received an update on her background check by Rivian, she sent at least sixteen highly confidential and trade secret recruiting documents from Tesla’s network to her Gmail account, including various guides and templates developed by Tesla—the very types of documents that Duran had instructed her that Rivian needed.”
Tesla even claims that one of the recruiters that went to Rivian kept her Tesla work laptop and refuses to give it back.
Another defendant, Jessica Siron, was an EHS manager at Tesla and she recently left to join Rivian has the director of EHS for the startup.
The automaker claims that she stole documents related to manufacturing projects:
“These documents consisted of highly sensitive trade secret, confidential, and proprietary engineering information about manufacturing project management, controls specifications for manufacturing equipment, specifications regarding manufacturing robotics, and manufacturing equipment requirements. These documents would be used rarely, if at all, by Siron as manager of Environmental Health and Safety, yet she exported them shortly after accepting her offer at Rivian.”
Furthermore, Tesla claims that Siron was uncooperative in trying to remove documents from her personal cloud.
The last defendant is Carrington Bradley.
Electrek reported on Bradley last month in our coverage about how Rivian was hiring employees from Tesla’s Supercharger Network to build its own fast-charging network:
Rivian Adventure Network: Electric pickup maker hires Tesla staff to build charging network
Tesla wrote in the lawsuit:
“Defendant Carrington Bradley worked at Tesla as Manager for Charging Programs until he left for Rivian on March 20, 2020. Mr. Bradley’s role at Rivian is Senior Manager for Charging Development—presumably to build charging network for Rivian to mimic Tesla’s Supercharger network.”
The company claims that Bradley used his inside knowledge at Tesla to target critical employees to recruit for Rivian’s effort:
“On March 19, 2020, the day before he left Tesla to go to Rivian, Bradley forwarded to his personal email address list of highly curated select group of high-level Tesla employees Who are experts in the deployment and management of charging networks—precisely the type of team Rivian needs to deploy its own charging network. The information would allow Rivian to target for recruitment the members of that group, which is responsible for the selection, deployment, and management of Tesla’s global Supercharger network.”
Tesla also anticipates adding two additional currently unnamed former employees who they believe “likely misappropriated Tesla trade secret, confidential, or proprietary information” as defendants at a later date.
After bringing up these claims to Rivian’s general counsel, Tesla was unsatisfied with the response it got from the startup and initiated the lawsuit.
Electrek contacted Rivian about the matter and the company issued the following response denying Tesla’s allegations:
“We admire Tesla for its leadership in resetting expectations of what an electric car can be. Rivian is made up of high-performing, mission-driven teams, and our business model and technology are based on many years of engineering, design, and strategy development. This requires the contribution and know-how of thousands of employees from across the technology and automotive spaces. Upon joining Rivian, we require all employees to confirm that they have not, and will not, introduce former employers’ intellectual property into Rivian systems. This suit’s allegations are baseless and run counter to Rivian’s culture, ethos and corporate policies.”
To date, Tesla counted 178 ex-employees who have been hired by Rivian roughly 70 of which joined Rivian directly from Tesla.
Basically it’s Elon versus Bezos
Pop corn time.
.
07-24-2020, 08:34 AM
#44
Ex-OEM King
Rivian currently employs over 2000 people, they took 70 from Tesla and I'd wager not all of them were "stolen" but some left by choice as well. Chill out.
07-24-2020, 10:52 AM
#45
Sanest Florida Man
Bruh did you even read that article? It's about stealing Tesla documents
“Tesla investigators discovered the misappropriation and interviewed Pascale by phone on July 6, 2020. Pascale falsely denied taking any documents from Tesla. When pressed, she continued her denial, claiming to only have taken personal documents. Only after investigators confronted her with specific documents she had taken, Pascale finally confessed to taking the confidential and proprietary documents.”
“These documents consisted of highly sensitive trade secret, confidential, and proprietary engineering information about manufacturing project management, controls specifications for manufacturing equipment, specifications regarding manufacturing robotics, and manufacturing equipment requirements. These documents would be used rarely, if at all, by Siron as manager of Environmental Health and Safety, yet she exported them shortly after accepting her offer at Rivian.”
07-24-2020, 11:38 AM
#46
why aren't they stealing from Renault or Peugeot? They're the real industry leaders, that's why their sales have dropped 30% this year.
Renault and Peugeot monthly electric vehicles sales surpassing Tesla.
https://insideevs.com/news/432222/de...urging-europe/
Demand For The Renault ZOE Is Surging In Europe
https://europe.autonews.com/sales-se...nt-tesla-or-vw
The EV atop Europe’s sales charts isn’t a Tesla or VW
07-24-2020, 01:23 PM
#47
Ex-OEM King
2.) They said they didn't do it
3.) Who's to say that many employees from many companies don't do this?
4.) Wanna bet Tesla has documentation from competitors as well?
07-24-2020, 01:23 PM
#48
Ex-OEM King
07-25-2020, 09:45 PM
#49
Race Director
Thread Starter
The electric truck and SUV that wowed the public and the press, ourselves included, is getting closer to becoming a reality. First reported by Motor Authority, and confirmed on the company's Twitter account, Rivian will start delivering the R1T pickup truck and R1S SUV next summer. The company planned to start building and delivering sooner, but plans were delayed by the coronavirus pandemic.
The first of the two to reach customers will be the Rivian R1T with deliveries starting in June 2021. The R1S will follow a couple months later in August. Leading up to that point, the company has started operating its pilot production line at its factory to get ready for producing customer cars.
Next year is looking to be a busy one for electric trucks. Besides Rivian's entries, Lordstown Motors is planning on getting its Endurance pickup truck to customers sometime next year. GM will reportedly start producing an electric pickup that year, which could be either the GMC Hummer or the 400-mile-range Chevy full-size pickup. It could even be both. Even the Tesla Cybertruck is supposedly coming in 2021.
When the R1T and R1S launch, they will be available with a variety of battery packs and powertrain combinations. The entry-level models will have a range of about 230 miles, and the top level will deliver about 400 miles. That top-level one will also come with four electric motors making about 750 horsepower. These motors will also allow it to do a zero-degree-radius turn by turning each side of wheels opposite the other to execute what Rivian calls a "tank turn." Other interesting features include optional removable roof panels, a full-width trunk between the cab and bed of the R1T and power outlets to run appliances while camping. Pricing was initially announced at between $70,000 and $90,000, but Rivian has since said pricing will actually be slightly lower.
The first of the two to reach customers will be the Rivian R1T with deliveries starting in June 2021. The R1S will follow a couple months later in August. Leading up to that point, the company has started operating its pilot production line at its factory to get ready for producing customer cars.
Next year is looking to be a busy one for electric trucks. Besides Rivian's entries, Lordstown Motors is planning on getting its Endurance pickup truck to customers sometime next year. GM will reportedly start producing an electric pickup that year, which could be either the GMC Hummer or the 400-mile-range Chevy full-size pickup. It could even be both. Even the Tesla Cybertruck is supposedly coming in 2021.
When the R1T and R1S launch, they will be available with a variety of battery packs and powertrain combinations. The entry-level models will have a range of about 230 miles, and the top level will deliver about 400 miles. That top-level one will also come with four electric motors making about 750 horsepower. These motors will also allow it to do a zero-degree-radius turn by turning each side of wheels opposite the other to execute what Rivian calls a "tank turn." Other interesting features include optional removable roof panels, a full-width trunk between the cab and bed of the R1T and power outlets to run appliances while camping. Pricing was initially announced at between $70,000 and $90,000, but Rivian has since said pricing will actually be slightly lower.
07-28-2020, 12:50 PM
#50
Ex-OEM King
Yo cybertruck, where you at?
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07-28-2020, 12:56 PM
#51
Moderator
Given that the new F150 Limited has a starting price just over $70k for a RWD & around $75k for 4WD, these won't be overly priced out in the truck market.
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07-28-2020, 09:55 PM
#52
. We are only 6-9 months behind, but don't be surprised at the momentum when we finally arrive .Very nice video BTW.
07-28-2020, 10:03 PM
#53
Ex-OEM King
Also, selected a site for a factory is not 6-9 months behind lol. Just building it will take 1-2 years.
07-29-2020, 07:30 AM
#54
I thought you’d get the joke, but whatever.
Wrong again. ..... Tesla factories are already up and running within a year, and they are getting better and faster at that. It is something that legacy automakers haven’t fathomed yet. I find it so hard to believe that a newcomer like Tesla is an expert at building factories and the established automakers are left with scrambling to take notes from Tesla.
9 months from today is April 29th. The factory would be easily producing Y at that time and we would see pre-production Cybertrucks at that time (undergoing testing like RT1 is doing now). That’s why I said don’t be surprised.
The perfect analogy would be like saying RT-1 as an expert surfer on top of a wave and Cybertruck is the giant wave itself.
9 months from today is April 29th. The factory would be easily producing Y at that time and we would see pre-production Cybertrucks at that time (undergoing testing like RT1 is doing now). That’s why I said don’t be surprised.
The perfect analogy would be like saying RT-1 as an expert surfer on top of a wave and Cybertruck is the giant wave itself.
07-29-2020, 09:35 AM
#55
Ex-OEM King
I thought you’d get the joke, but whatever.
Wrong again. ..... Tesla factories are already up and running within a year, and they are getting better and faster at that. It is something that legacy automakers haven’t fathomed yet. I find it so hard to believe that a newcomer like Tesla is an expert at building factories and the established automakers are left with scrambling to take notes from Tesla.
9 months from today is April 29th. The factory would be easily producing Y at that time and we would see pre-production Cybertrucks at that time (undergoing testing like RT1 is doing now). That’s why I said don’t be surprised.
The perfect analogy would be like saying RT-1 as an expert surfer on top of a wave and Cybertruck is the giant wave itself.
Wrong again. ..... Tesla factories are already up and running within a year, and they are getting better and faster at that. It is something that legacy automakers haven’t fathomed yet. I find it so hard to believe that a newcomer like Tesla is an expert at building factories and the established automakers are left with scrambling to take notes from Tesla.
9 months from today is April 29th. The factory would be easily producing Y at that time and we would see pre-production Cybertrucks at that time (undergoing testing like RT1 is doing now). That’s why I said don’t be surprised.
The perfect analogy would be like saying RT-1 as an expert surfer on top of a wave and Cybertruck is the giant wave itself.
Nevada: started construction summer 2014, completed sometime in 2018
Shanghai: started December 2018, completed October 2019 (this one is in china hence the rapid pace)
New York: started September 2014, completed August 2017
Berlin: Started May 2020, expected completion June 2021 (we'll see what happens with Covid)
My guess is that Austin will follow somewhere between Berlin and Nevada timelines because of US laws and unions. They haven't even bought the land yet.
Also, the CT doesn't exist. It's not a wave, it's vaporware.
07-29-2020, 09:34 PM
#56
Race Director
Thread Starter
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07-30-2020, 09:30 AM
#57
Ex-OEM King
Awesome! Guess I was wrong on that one. Either way, it takes a certain amount of time to build stuff and that's not something you can short circuit easily.
08-04-2020, 02:00 PM
#58
Ex-OEM King
Yo, cybertruck, where you at?
08-04-2020, 04:23 PM
#59
The complaint from Tesla states that Tami Pascale, a former Senior Staffing Manager for Tesla, “took at least ten confidential and proprietary documents from Tesla’s network, which would allow Rivian to poach Tesla’s highest-performing talent and promising employment prospects.”
Additionally, Pascale admitted to investigators that she confessed to taking confidential and sensitive information about Tesla’s prospective employees. She lied about having Tesla documents on a company laptop. When investigators “confronted her with specific documents she had taken, Pascale finally confessed to taking the confidential and proprietary documents,” the complaint says.
This sounds more like a confession by the accused more than a baseless accusation.
08-04-2020, 09:57 PM
#60
). Guess they would not be needing anymore of Tesla superchargers, even an alliance seems out of question as they look all set to battle it out in court.As I said before, it's pop corn time. "Musk Vs Bezos" - modern version of "Clash of the Titans"
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08-04-2020, 11:47 PM
#61
Race Director
Thread Starter
Who said anything about building a charger network? They had to plan their trip around stopping points to be able to charge - some of those were probably simply using some hotel power outlet - the chances of finding an actual EV charging point in some of those location is close to zero. Google Maps shows only 3 EV stations south of Santiago Chile to where they started (1500+ miles south of there) and they are not evenly spaced out. Even north of there there are some stretches of 500+ miles without a single charging station.
08-05-2020, 07:12 AM
#62
From the video I got the impression that Rivian built charging stations along the route (around 1:40 minutes mark). So that’s not true..???
Last edited by Comfy; 08-05-2020 at 07:18 AM.
08-05-2020, 08:00 AM
#63
Who said anything about building a charger network? They had to plan their trip around stopping points to be able to charge - some of those were probably simply using some hotel power outlet - the chances of finding an actual EV charging point in some of those location is close to zero. Google Maps shows only 3 EV stations south of Santiago Chile to where they started (1500+ miles south of there) and they are not evenly spaced out. Even north of there there are some stretches of 500+ miles without a single charging station.
The tricky part of the journey was finding sufficient charging points throughout rural parts of South America. Still, McGregor indicates that his strategy consisted of knocking on doors to fulfill his bike’s need for more range.
“There is no real infrastructure for charging in Patagonia, for instance, so we just would knock on people’s doors and ask if we could plug them in,” he added.
However, this strategy was not easily viable for the series of Rivian R1T pickups that also made the extensive journey.
One Rivian team member who appeared in a company spot outlining the journey stated that their biggest challenge was charging as well. However, Rivian confronted the issue head-on by building its network of charging stations along the route that would take the team of crew members from the Southern tip of South America to Los Angeles. The Rivian team installed the series of charging areas throughout the route for drivers who may eventually want to travel along the same course in the future.
08-05-2020, 09:40 AM
#64
Ex-OEM King
Yeah, they built chargers along the route ahead of starting. That said, I'm sure it's a one up charger without a ton of juice given it's in the middle of nowhere.
08-05-2020, 09:34 PM
#65
Race Director
Thread Starter
Yes, but that is probably nothing like a dedicated long term use EV charging facility - they made a deal with someone to use the facility, like a hotel or some other business with reliable high current power, and the marketing guys called that a charging station. Any hotel with an outlet can call themselves a charging station.
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08-05-2020, 10:29 PM
#66
Yes, but that is probably nothing like a dedicated long term use EV charging facility - they made a deal with someone to use the facility, like a hotel or some other business with reliable high current power, and the marketing guys called that a charging station. Any hotel with an outlet can call themselves a charging station.
08-11-2020, 02:15 PM
#67
Ex-OEM King
Shit's getting real
09-13-2020, 06:51 AM
#69
Fantastic. Nice to see the real EVs jumping into the market at the right time. The EV revolution is beginning. A fundamental change in the US automotive landscape is within sight.
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09-15-2020, 09:18 AM
#71
Ex-OEM King
I really want to hear from them on charging, service, and sales networks and how they plan on supporting the launch and continuing service of this thing...
09-15-2020, 02:18 PM
#72
I really want to hear when are they releasing their IPO .
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09-15-2020, 03:49 PM
#73
Ex-OEM King
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Comfy (09-16-2020)
09-15-2020, 11:46 PM
#74
Sanest Florida Man
GM wanted to make a deal with Rivian first but got rejected so they had to settle on Nikola 
09-16-2020, 07:03 AM
#75
09-16-2020, 09:13 AM
#76
Ex-OEM King
Yeah, Ford and Amazon dropped a bunch of cash into the business but they didn't buy them out.
Also, lol at the part of the video where they are checking panel gaps with feeler gauges. #subtlejab
Also, lol at the part of the video where they are checking panel gaps with feeler gauges. #subtlejab
09-18-2020, 04:46 PM
#77
Ex-OEM King
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Comfy (09-18-2020)
09-18-2020, 04:47 PM
#78
Ex-OEM King
Also, doesn't look like an IPO is happening anytime soon...
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/a...limate-pledge/
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/a...limate-pledge/
09-22-2020, 10:15 PM
#79
Sanest Florida Man
09-22-2020, 10:34 PM
#80
Sanest Florida Man
Half hour in they mention Rivian. Looks like they might be using a Harley eBike. Not sure if it’s the Livewire or not