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07-09-2005, 11:34 AM
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Renault Logan News **Rolls over... (page 1)**
Renault's Logan Aims to "Play It Again, Sam" in Casablanca - - Source: Edmunds.com
CASABLANCA, Morocco — SOMACA, Renault's local subsidiary, started assembly of the Renault Logan on Thursday.
This is the third manufacturing location for the low-cost family sedan.
The Logan, which was introduced last summer, is now being manufactured in Romania, and assembled in Russia and Morocco. Renault is now a majority shareholder in SOMACA (the acronym stands for Société Marocaine de Construction Automobile — Moroccan Auto Manufacturing Company). The company will be building 30,000 of the economical cars in Morocco, which is considered the second biggest North African market, after Egypt. Part of this volume will be exported.
SOMACA was set up in the 1960s and lately it has been the sole production plant in the world at which both the Peugeot Partner light van and its direct competitor, the Renault Kangoo, were made.
This is the third manufacturing location for the low-cost family sedan.
The Logan, which was introduced last summer, is now being manufactured in Romania, and assembled in Russia and Morocco. Renault is now a majority shareholder in SOMACA (the acronym stands for Société Marocaine de Construction Automobile — Moroccan Auto Manufacturing Company). The company will be building 30,000 of the economical cars in Morocco, which is considered the second biggest North African market, after Egypt. Part of this volume will be exported.
SOMACA was set up in the 1960s and lately it has been the sole production plant in the world at which both the Peugeot Partner light van and its direct competitor, the Renault Kangoo, were made.
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ALthough there is a separate forum here about politics, one has to admit that it's astounding seeing the close business ties of France with the Arab world in so many ways. I think it's very noteworthy and should be kept in mind.
07-09-2005, 12:58 PM
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ALthough there is a separate forum here about politics, one has to admit that it's astounding seeing the close business ties of France with the Arab world in so many ways. I think it's very noteworthy and should be kept in mind.
Look, French companies have had ins throughout the world for a real long time. This is a country that still allows a tax deduction for bribing (in connection with getting a contract). There's a very simple reason to build/assemble within a certain country - price advantage.
If GM (or any other US company) had a way to easily make money in that part of the world they'd be there in a NY minute.
It will be interesting to see how many Logans I see on the road when I visit Romania next week. When I was last there 30 years ago, Dacias (cheap Renault 12 copies) ruled the roads.
07-10-2005, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by biker
Would Egyptians assembling BMW525s outside of Cairo be astounding too?
What I called astounding was the close business ties that France has with the Arab world in so many ways (inluding the ones uncovered after the invasion of Iraq and the ongoing investigation of the "oil for food" program at the UN).
Do if BMW are assembled in Cairo, then it's a secondary point. Still astounding nontheless.
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Look, French companies have had ins throughout the world for a real long time. This is a country that still allows a tax deduction for bribing (in connection with getting a contract). There's a very simple reason to build/assemble within a certain country - price advantage.
Sure the reason is cost, but it is astounding how "arab" the French are leaning towards, concerning their business. It is astounding to me mostly because I dont know of any other "serious" Western European economy that does so. Maybe it's colony-related, maybe not. It is astounding and noteworthy to me though.
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If GM (or any other US company) had a way to easily make money in that part of the world they'd be there in a NY minute.
So no, it's not always about "where can I make money" in the case of the US companies. There are limits which are very clearly defined by our principles, beliefs and constitution.
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It will be interesting to see how many Logans I see on the road when I visit Romania next week. When I was last there 30 years ago, Dacias (cheap Renault 12 copies) ruled the roads.
Same with Ladas and Skodas (before bought by VW).
07-11-2005, 06:18 AM
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Is that a hypothetical example, or is it reality? Does BMW make 525s there?
The French having connections in Morroco is a given - it's their former colony and the official language there is still French. And that's their tie in with the rest of the Muslim world. Of course recently even the French are getting a bit more strict - no head scraves (usually worn by Muslim girls) allowed in schools.
07-11-2005, 11:29 AM
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Interesting. So no wonder we had Germany (and Russia) stand by Shirak's side during the fiasco about the resolution that never happened at the UN before the latest Iraq war. See the more we learn about these three countries, the more links we find about business they had in the Arab world.
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Budget Renault rolls on test - - By Julie Sinclair - - Source: Autoexpress
Corner too hard at only 40mph in Renault's new budget car and this is what could happen. These shocking pictures are of the forthcoming Logan, and reveal how the saloon flips over. What's more, the A-pillar on the driver's side caved in! The incident occurred during a handling test carried out by Europe's biggest automobile club, ADAC of Germany.
A number of medium-sized family cars were assessed, but only the Logan ended up on its roof during "a sudden avoidance manoeuvre". Testers initially blamed the newcomer's lack of stability control technology, but an ADAC spokesman explained: "Even models without ESP haven't rolled before in this assessment - the worst they normally do is slide." The collapse of the A-pillar was a cause of greater concern for the group, though. "In a more serious situation, occupants' chances of survival would be reduced," the spokesman added.
In issue 855, Auto Express revealed how the Logan - to be sold under the Dacia brand in Britain - gained only a three-star rating in Euro NCAP crash tests, plus one star for pedestrian protection. The Logan is due here in 2007. A Renault UK spokesman dismissed the findings, saying: "This was a one-off. The car had already passed the ADAC test twice, but on the third run it got a puncture and the wrong tyre was fitted."
A number of medium-sized family cars were assessed, but only the Logan ended up on its roof during "a sudden avoidance manoeuvre". Testers initially blamed the newcomer's lack of stability control technology, but an ADAC spokesman explained: "Even models without ESP haven't rolled before in this assessment - the worst they normally do is slide." The collapse of the A-pillar was a cause of greater concern for the group, though. "In a more serious situation, occupants' chances of survival would be reduced," the spokesman added.
In issue 855, Auto Express revealed how the Logan - to be sold under the Dacia brand in Britain - gained only a three-star rating in Euro NCAP crash tests, plus one star for pedestrian protection. The Logan is due here in 2007. A Renault UK spokesman dismissed the findings, saying: "This was a one-off. The car had already passed the ADAC test twice, but on the third run it got a puncture and the wrong tyre was fitted."
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08-06-2005, 01:57 AM
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These Logans in Dacia trim rule in Romania - it's about the only car folks there can afford - about $5000 Euro.
My Citoren C4 rental was not only more powerfull than about 90% of the cars there (with only about 120HP) but people stared at it (it just came out last year). The non turning middle of the stering wheel was not as weird as I thought it would be.
My Citoren C4 rental was not only more powerfull than about 90% of the cars there (with only about 120HP) but people stared at it (it just came out last year). The non turning middle of the stering wheel was not as weird as I thought it would be.
08-06-2005, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by biker
These Logans in Dacia trim rule in Romania - it's about the only car folks there can afford - about $5000 Euro.
My Citoren C4 rental was not only more powerfull than about 90% of the cars there (with only about 120HP) but people stared at it (it just came out last year). The non turning middle of the stering wheel was not as weird as I thought it would be.
My Citoren C4 rental was not only more powerfull than about 90% of the cars there (with only about 120HP) but people stared at it (it just came out last year). The non turning middle of the stering wheel was not as weird as I thought it would be.
Oh you got the C4? Lots of comotion about this car when it came out...
08-07-2005, 04:21 AM
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Oh you got the C4? Lots of comotion about this car when it came out...
08-07-2005, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
ALthough there is a separate forum here about politics, one has to admit that it's astounding seeing the close business ties of France with the Arab world in so many ways. I think it's very noteworthy and should be kept in mind.
08-07-2005, 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
Interesting. So no wonder we had Germany (and Russia) stand by Shirak's side during the fiasco about the resolution that never happened at the UN before the latest Iraq war. See the more we learn about these three countries, the more links we find about business they had in the Arab world.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...485649,00.html
In fact, the Senate report found that US oil purchases accounted for 52% of the kickbacks paid to the regime in return for sales of cheap oil - more than the rest of the world put together.
"The United States was not only aware of Iraqi oil sales which violated UN sanctions and provided the bulk of the illicit money Saddam Hussein obtained from circumventing UN sanctions," the report said. "On occasion, the United States actually facilitated the illicit oil sales.
"The United States was not only aware of Iraqi oil sales which violated UN sanctions and provided the bulk of the illicit money Saddam Hussein obtained from circumventing UN sanctions," the report said. "On occasion, the United States actually facilitated the illicit oil sales.
Most of the world was against the war in Iraq and I very much doubt that we could find ulterior motives for countries like Finalnd who were also opposed. The French have been made targets in particular because they hold a security council seat, many people don't like them in the fist place, and they've never been shy about expressing disagreement with anybody (the're French). As for which Western country does the most business with the nation that produced most of the 911 hijackers... you tell me
Going back to the car, it seems like this is a pretty crappy econobox. It makes me wonder how good these cheap cars from China that are coming soon to our shores will be... Can the Chinese produce a good quality product for half the price? I read an article in a finance mag recently about the enterpreneur who brought Subar to the US and his plan to bring a Chinese car maker. I think the company name is "Chery" but maybe I'm thinking of a different one...
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08-08-2005, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Belzebutt
Before you go "ah-hah!" about French and Germans because they both opposed the war and their companies have business links to the middle east, remember that it's actually US companies that profited the most from the oil for food scams:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...485649,00.html
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