jimby

link

sauceman

I guess I'll bother to post the article if you won't, since just a blank link isn't too attractive, the article is worth mentionning.

Edit: dang, sorry for the messy numbers, I tried to space them out, but it doesn't come out well nevertheless.

dom

djtrancetastic

Ha Ha we win...Go Honda/Acura!

dabuda

Honda/Acura! almost 15k TSXs since the beginning of the year

jlukja

The TSX's comparison for YTD numbers (+143%) is a little misleading. The TSX began selling April 2003 so through June 03 they were averaging just over 2000 units per month. So far through June 04 the TSX is averaging 2458 units sold per month and on pace to sell 29504 in 2004. Not bad at all (especially with advertising almost non-existant).

AcuraFan

Just out of curiosity, does anyone have the numbers for Lexus?

TSX Hokie

If not, I'm sure Gilbo would be more than happy to make them up for us. Of course, they will show the IS300 outselling the TL and TSX by 10X, but facts and figures were never his strong point.

AcuraFan

I thought Gilbo was our BMW zombie and Sicklex is the one that :wackit: over Lexus.

ClutchPerformer

No, Gilbo's the RWD zombie.

jimby

That's why I just provided a link. The numbers were the most interesting part, and I couldn't get them to format properly.

sauceman

Yes.

AcuraFan

You're right. I stand corrected.

TSX Hokie

It's a little more complicated than that. To him, RWD is king, German RWD makes him mess his pants, German FWD can still do no wrong. Toyota FWD somehow escapes his wrath. He hates to admit Lexus FWD esists, but will stubbornly defend that the ES 330 is a better car than the TL if called on it. Lexus/Infinity RWD is up there with BMW for him.

Basically, Gilbo loves every car that isnt a Honda or Acura.

gilboman

um... performance/driving enjoyment is king for me, hence why RWD, especially the german variety is king. I said many times VW sux so i dont know where you made that up from but german FWD is king though. just look at the mini, it would run circles around the next closest fwd competition one FWD sedan exists for lexus with 3 RWD sedans, the entire acura sedan line is FWD right now.

jcg878

Who were the members who bought the TSX because there "weren't that many of them" again?? Just curious

I'll bet Acura is relieved that they're on pace to meet their annual goal of 15k TSXs.... in July

ClutchPerformer

Hokie never said that you liked VW. YOU made that up. He only said that you think "German FWD can do no wrong", which you just confirmed.

You're slipping, Gilbo. :shakehd:

phile

MDX is AWD, NSX is RWD.

heyitsme

Hardly a record considering last month tsx sales were 3,585, I was hoping for 3700, all that much closer to more power or the ima concept..

provench

They always compare year to year (the entire industry does) since auto sales is hugely seasonal.

AcuraFan

To be fair, he did say "the entire acura sedan line" and neither of those are sedans. We'll have to wait for the new RL for Acura to release their first non-FWD sedan...ever...

sauceman

The mini is not German. It is built in Britain, but owned by BMW. The conception of the Mini was under English hands.

And as far as driving performance/enjoyment, you still have yet to make a statement about the TSX winning over Bimmers in the SCCA World Challenge Championship. It is an anomally... unless it may just be that the FWD TSX is a much better car that you'd like to admit.

gilboman

i've seen vipers get beat by civics, does this prove a civic is better than a viper? the tSX is not bad for an almost 3300lb FWD I4 car, but the point is it still have the burden of 32XXlb, FWD and a 2.4L 4 banger which no matter how hard they try is outclassed by RWD's driving dynamics and 50/50 weight distribution. The TSX by itself is not bad at all, i even recommended to my g/f, but when compared to the "percieved" competition on this board, namely 3 series and etc... it is handicapped by its family car roots.

1SICKLEX

Sure do . Acura is doing well. Lexus is on the way to 300,000 cars very soon.

1SICKLEX

PRESS RELEASE: Toyota Announces Best-Ever June Sales
Toyota Announces Best-Ever June Sales:
Sets Second-Quarter And First-Half Sales Records



07/01/2004 Torrance, CA



Toyota Motor Sales (TMS), U.S.A., Inc., today reported its best-ever first-half sales in 47 years of business in the U.S. with calendar-year-to-date (CYTD) sales of 1,004,636. June sales of 170,366, an increase of 5.2 percent over last June, contributed to a record-setting second quarter with sales of 539,915 units.

"There's no doubt that higher gasoline prices over the last few months have temporarily affected retail spending," said Jim Press, TMS executive vice president and COO. "However, we're already seeing a rise in consumer confidence and a softening of fuel prices. The combination should result in an upswing in industry sales this summer."

The Toyota Division posted its best-ever June with 147,299, up 5.1 percent. The Lexus Division reported best-ever June sales with 23,067 units sold, an increase of 5.7 percent.

Toyota Division passenger cars recorded June sales of 82,683, up 6.8 percent over the same period last year. Camry, the number-one-selling car in America, led sales with strong June sales of 37,603, up 6.8 percent. The Prius gas-electric hybrid mid-size sedan posted best-ever June sales of 4,219. Sales of the MR2 Spyder convertible were up 7.4 percent.

Toyota Division light truck sales were up 3.0 percent, with 64,616 units sold. The Sienna sales momentum stayed strong with best-ever June sales of 13,681, up 25.3 over last year's record June. The Highlander mid-size sport utility vehicle (SUV) also enjoyed a best-ever June, with sales of 10,891, up 9.4 percent. The RAV4 SUV posted sales of 5,578 units, an increase of 1.0 percent. Tundra full-size pickup sales rose 1.4 percent with 8,901 units sold, while Tacoma compact pickup sales were at 12,891, up 0.1 percent.

June marked Scion's one-year sales anniversary. Scion, the new line of vehicles from Toyota that started out with sales in California only, is now available nationwide. Scion reported its fifth-consecutive best-ever sales month with 8,168 units sold. The popular xB urban utility vehicle led Scion sales, recording its best-ever selling month with 5,235 units sold. The xA subcompact also posted its best-ever sales month with 2,933 units sold. CYTD sales for Scion total 31,223.

Lexus Division passenger car sales were up 0.8 percent with total sales of 11,132. The ES 330 luxury sedan posted June sales of 6,036, up 5.0 percent. Sales of the LS 430 flagship luxury sedan increased 50.2 percent, with 2,486 units sold.

Lexus light trucks reported record June sales of 11,935, up 10.7 percent. The RX 330 luxury SUV recorded best-ever June sales of 8,760 units, an increase of 14.1 percent. The GX 470 mid-size luxury SUV posted best-ever June sales of 2,502, up 1.3 percent over the same period last year. Sales of the LX 470 full-size luxury SUV were up 5.7 percent, with 673 units sold.

Sales of North American-built vehicles accounted for 65.4 percent of total June sales. There were 25 selling days this sales month compared to 24 last June.

1SICKLEX

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/atta...&postid=945638

1SICKLEX

Nissan North America Reports June Sales

GARDENA, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--July 1, 2004--Nissan North America, Inc. (Nasdaq:NSANY) (NNA) reported June total sales of 78,107 units for its Nissan and Infiniti divisions, a 9.0 percent increase versus June of last year.

NISSAN HIGHLIGHTS

-- June sales for Nissan-brand vehicles were up 9.9 percent when compared to last June, with 68,248 units sold

-- Altima reported sales of 17,516 units, Titan full-size truck reported sales of 7,606 units, Murano reported sales of 4,149 units, Quest reported sales of 4,640 units and Armada full-size SUV reported sales of 2,919 units

-- Calendar year-to-date sales are up 27.0 percent with 410,475 units sold

INFINITI HIGHLIGHTS

-- Sales for Infiniti, the luxury division of NNA, increased 2.8 percent from last June, with 9,859 units sold

-- G35 sedan reported sales of 3,324 units, G35 Coupe reported sales of 2,118 units, FX reported sales of 2,183 units and the QX56 full-size SUV reported sales of 1,118 units

-- Calendar year-to-date sales are up 11.5 percent with 62,309 units sold

NNA INFORMATION

-- Combined June sales for Nissan and Infiniti totaled 78,107 units, a 9.0 percent increase from last June

-- Calendar year-to-date sales are up 24.7 percent with 472,784 units sold

In North America, NNA's operations include automotive styling, engineering, consumer and corporate financing, sales and marketing, distribution and manufacturing. More information on NNA and the complete line of Nissan and Infiniti vehicles can be found online at www.nissannews.com or by contacting the corporate media line at 310/771-5631.

http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthre...b=5&o=&fpart=1

For the chart.

1SICKLEX

So Acura in June sold 16,182 and 96,738 so far up 19%

So Infiniti in June sold 9,859 and 62,309 so far up 11%

And the big dawgs:

So Lexus in June sold 23,067 and 138,169 so far up 16%.

So BMW in June sold 25,013 and 125,834 so far up 5%.

1SICKLEX

And for my dawg and the often mis-understood Gilbo! (where is Junkster?)

1SICKLEX

BMW Group Shatters U.S. Sales Record for Third Consecutive Month

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...2203730&EDATE=

BMW Brand Records Best Month Ever ... Again

WOODCLIFF LAKE, N.J., July 1 /PRNewswire/ -- The BMW Group (BMW and MINI
brands combined) reported an increase of 12.4 percent in June for 27,909
vehicles compared to the 24,820 vehicles sold that month in 2003, making it
the third consecutive month of all-time sales records for BMW sales in the
U.S. The BMW Group also reported first-half sales of 143,646 vehicles, an
increase of 4.8 percent from 137,098 sold in the first six months of 2003.

BMW Brand Reports Sales
BMW of North America, LLC reported its sales of 25,013 automobiles and
Sports Activity Vehicles, an increase of 14.2 percent compared to the 21,904
vehicles reported last June.
Sales of BMW brand vehicles were up 5.2 percent in the first six months,
with sales of 125,834 vehicles compared to 119,568 vehicles sold in the first
six months of 2003.

BMW Automobile Sales
BMW's automobile sales dipped slightly in June, to 17,710 versus 18,560 in
the same month a year ago. Year-to-date, sales were down 4.6 percent, to
97,606 automobiles compared to 102,353 in the first half of 2003.

BMW Sports Activity Vehicle Sales
Sales of BMW's Sports Activity Vehicles were exceptionally strong,
contributing to BMW's record sales. Total June SAV sales soared to 7,303,
compared to 3,344 vehicles sold in June 2003, a jump of 118 percent. Year-
to-date, sales of BMW's SAV models were up 64 percent, to 28,228 vehicles
compared to 17,215 for the same period in 2003.

Certified Pre-owned
BMW also reported sales of 6,110 Certified Pre-owned vehicles compared to
5,439 vehicles sold in June 2003, a 12 percent increase. For the first six
months of 2004, BMW CPO sales were up 7 percent to 35,855 vehicles over 33,562
in the same period a year ago.

MINI Brand

MINI Automobiles
MINI USA reported consistent demand for MINI automobiles, resulting in an
extremely low 3.4 days supply of inventory. Therefore, sales of MINI
automobiles in June were relatively flat, with sales of 2,896 over the
2,916 sold in June of 2003. First-half sales of MINI automobiles were up
1.6 percent, with 17,812 cars compared to 17,530 sold a year ago.

1SICKLEX

Acura is selling a boatload of 25-35k cars, far from luxury. Imagine a 25k Lexus? I think they would sell 200,000 of them on name alone.
Looking at BMWs and Lexus numbers, they are selling tons are 40k and up cars and trucks. Big difference in approach and profit margins.

For example Acura sold 16, 182 cars in June. We know the RL and NSX are over 40k, they sold 448 RLs and 17 NSXs. That is 465 luxury or high-performance cars. They sold 4,395 MDXs. So let's say 1/2 were under 40k and 1/2 were over 40k in price. 465+ 2197=2662.
The rest of the cars are under 40k in price, TSX, RSX, TL and remaining CLs. So about 85% of Acuras sold are under 40k.
If BMW, Benz and Lexus had 85% of their cars sold priced under 40k, well, nuff said. The stigma of luxury would not be there at all.
It would be AUDI's world, lol.

sauceman

Thanks for sharing 1STICKLEX.

But sorry to say, the comparo you've been serving us throughout the day is like saying NewYork city has things going for them a lot more than Anchorage, Alaska. Well duh! We're not talking about the same resources are we? What you omit to say is that Honda is regularly growing quicker than the big boys like Toyota, VAG, BMW and Nissan (with the active support of Renault).

Gilbo:
That is pretty weak for an argument. You pretty damn well know that if there is a race series where a Honda is going to beat a Viper, it is either on a drag strip, which it totally a different thing, or it is a race series where waay heavier modifications are allowed than on a race series like the SCCA Touring Car World Challenge. Please be honest in your argumentation.

Need I remind you that cars racing in this series are almost, if not completely streetable?

A TSX in stock form will run times that are close enough to or equal to a 325 on a track. Even if it conceded 1 or 2 seconds a lap, it would not be enough of a margin for a mortal like you and me to be able to step up and honestly say that a 3 is sportier than a TSX. You know this as well as I do, but if you need to think a 3 is superior to make you feel good about your 3xx and to justify your purchase, it's fine with me, but please have enough honesty to keep things in perspective.

When you get reports of a Euro Accord outhandling an S4 (Top Gear, I believe), you know it's the real deal.

heyitsme

The IS300 really should be 26k now, I realize keeping the price higher is an image thing but the car is no longer worth it @ 30k even though its still a nice car.

As far as Lexus sales #'s, its the suvs, nothing more. The Rl will be the turning point for acura imo, it will undercut the competition, yet perform at the highest levels.

1SICKLEX

No way. The IS is built of the GS platfom and is solid as a rock. It is a very, very strong car (clearly with 800hp etc IS 300s around). The I-6 is rare in the auto industry.
The RL is not undercutting anything. It will go head to head with the new AWD M35 and GS 330.

biker

AcuraFan

That's exactly what I was getting at when I asked for the Lexus sales numbers. Sure, Lexus is selling more vehicles than Acura...but that's only because Lexus has more vehicles to sell. On a car by car basis, Acura is doing just as well or better than Lexus.

Americans love SUVs, so if you're an SUV bearing company, you're going to sell more vehicles (the only reason the Big 3 are still around). Lexus has enough rebaged Highlanders, Sequoias and Land Cruisers running around to give them the sales edge over Acura with just their MDX to compete.

AcuraFan

Ooh, an 800hp IS300...wow, remind me to be impressed. There are 800hp Civics running around. So who cares?


The IS300 is a good car...it really is...but considering how much power it has, it's not a very fast car. I mean, the TSX with its lowy 4 banger producing a meager 200hp is just as fast or faster for a lot less money. The RWD driving dynamics certainly helps the IS's case, but it's still doesn't have the precision feel and tight control of the newer players. Honestly, I think RWD is the only thing Lexus has going for it when it comes to sports sedans. I personally think Acura has a sportier feel with a tighter, more precise feel...but that's just me. I know 1SICKLEXusZombie will whole heartidly disagree with me to the point of :shit: his pants...but we are all entitled to our opinions.

1SICKLEX

Oh there is no denying the fact the IS 300 is old. Hell its really a 1997 model, we just got it here in 2001. So the competition BETTER had surpassed it. So yes, unless your a die-hard quality/service person or going to add F/I to your IS, it's not on the buying radar.

TLProspect

I love how everytime there is good Acura news, 1SICKLEX comes along and tries to sink the mood with Lexus rhetoric. I'm sure your friends over at Club Lexus would appreciate that from BMW enthusiasts.

justinjsw

Dr. Sicklex Ph.D, then going by your logic Lexus would be in a whole lot of trouble....because of the 11,132 cars sold...7,033 are of the ES/IS or about 65% and of course we know those cars are way below 35K. Of the 11,935 SUVs sold...8,760 are RXs or about 73%...combined sales of 23,067 of which 15,793 are ES/IS/RX or about 70%.

I didn't know RXs are 50K+ suvs.

CarsDirect Price:$36,962 for a 04 GS300
CarsDirect Price:$27,140 for a 04 IS300 with leather and roof
CarsDirect Price:$29,882 for a 04 ES330 with premium pkg and HIDs
CarsDirect Price:$34,933 for a 04 RX330 with premium pkg plus

CarsDirect Price:$37,845 for a 04 MDX with Touring pkg
CarsDirect Price:$31,899 for a 04 TL
CarsDirect Price:$25,991 for a 04 TSX