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Or Hellcats - supercharged V8 in old ass/heavy-ass chassis...interior is shit...Doge is like..who the fuck cares..lets make 700hp cars that goes fast AF....and some have MT options too....sells like hot cakes.
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the chassis is based of old tech but has been refined and updated many times over the years.
and the interior is far from shit. Clearly you haven’t sat in one.
Yea, old school is probably not a bad thing. But ya, it's riding on an old chassis with not a lot of changes. And the interior looks very dated already. In that sense spending $60k+ seems excessive.
Considering a Camry/accord can get close to $40k already in 2021... so 60k is not expensive.. ... a previous gen V6 TLX is already 50k with options...
Per C&D, the car will start around $56k... and almost all essential options are standard features. That is what makes it attractive... you can essentially get the IS500 for the price of loaded IS350 F sport and not missing any features... It is also comparable to a 90% loaded 330i or a C300...
and that will be the selling point...
Dont think it will get to $65k.
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^ For that price I think it'll sell. That engine is worth it over a comparable 330i or even a lower end M340i.
Different strokes for different folks, but even for the same price I'd take the NA V8 over B58 turbo-6. The latter may be torquier and pulls harder, but the V8 is just so enjoyable, even if it's comparatively a dinosaur.
Different strokes for different folks, but even for the same price I'd take the NA V8 over B58 turbo-6. The latter may be torquier and pulls harder, but the V8 is just so enjoyable, even if it's comparatively a dinosaur.
I think he is saying even if the IS500 is priced the same as M340i, he would still buy it over M340i.
Well, i don't doubt there will be some buyers like him... but objectively speaking, most of people would take BMW M340i over IS500 if they are priced similarly. M340i will have better interior, better quality, better performance, better tech, better name and better exterior (subjective).
I think he is saying even if the IS500 is priced the same as M340i, he would still buy it over M340i.
Well, i don't doubt there will be some buyers like him... but objectively speaking, most of people would take BMW M340i over IS500 if they are priced similarly. M340i will have better interior, better quality, better performance, better tech, better name and better exterior (subjective).
That is why pricing is the key.
I don't think the BMW will have better interior or better quality. Lexus SHINES at those things. The newer models, while old tech wise, still look great and are super comfy inside. Performance might be a wash. Where the BMW will win is in better tech and better name.
For same prices, I'd buy the IS500 as well. It just seems more special than yet another run of the mill BMW.
Tech is obvious... As far as quality.... G20 and F30 are days and night in terms of quality. The G20 is on par with previous gen 5 series.... F30 was shit and still shit today.
Every panel and buttons are rock solid in the new 3 series and they just feel so much luxurious than the surface you touch in a Lexus.... it really gives you that high quality feel that you get in the true EU brand.
My experience in the newer Lexus in terms of interior quality in recently years has been.... it is not much different than a Toyota....
I don't think the BMW will have better interior or better quality. Lexus SHINES at those things. The newer models, while old tech wise, still look great and are super comfy inside. Performance might be a wash. Where the BMW will win is in better tech and better name.
For same prices, I'd buy the IS500 as well. It just seems more special than yet another run of the mill BMW.
Personally i would take IS500 as well if priced right.. even with the outdated interior and tech.
But objectively speaking, M340i, especially in X drive will run circles around IS500.... M340i X drive is capable of low 12s and it can be done repeatedly without much effort and while the IS500 at best will be high 12s, most of be ppl will be in the 13s.
Personally i would take IS500 as well if priced right.. even with the outdated interior and tech.
But objectively speaking, M340i, especially in X drive will run circles around IS500.... M340i X drive is capable of low 12s and it can be done repeatedly without much effort and while the IS500 at best will be high 12s, most of be ppl will be in the 13s.
No one cares. People don't do launch control off of every stop light/sign or drag race on their way to work. They want something that's comfortable, reliable, fun, and special while being fast at the same time. For those criteria, the Lexus wins at that price point.
Objectively speaking, A Tesla Model 3 Long Range would take on a M340i and a Performance would eat it for lunch but would you buy the Tesla?
Well i personally wouldn't buy any E-car because i get motion sickness... so that is out. Even if i could, i wont because how long it takes to charge.
In other word, Tesla is not relevant in this conversation.
Of course people will care about performance when they are looking at IS500 or M340i.... if they weren't they should be looking at IS200t or 330i...
To be honest, if those are the criteria, IS350 F sport will be suffice for almost 90%+ of the people. It is plenty fast for almost everyone, comfortable, reliable, "fun" ... IS500 is special? if ISF or RCF are not special, why would an IS350+ V8 be any more special than a real ISF or RCF?
Since IS500 is exactly the same as IS350 F sport with a V8.
and we all know how well IS350 is selling now...
You and me are in the minorities in the overall market... most of the people even at the same price will pick M340i over IS500.
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I did hear an RCF hooning around downtown Houston a while back. Sounded pretty great, even if the driving was excessive for even a quiet/low traffic time in downtown.
Hot on the heels of the IS 500 F SPORT Performance world premiere, Lexus unveiled the 2022 IS 500 F SPORT Performance Launch Edition. Only 500 serialized vehicles will be produced, and it will be sold exclusively in North America.
The Lexus IS 500 Launch Edition will be powered by the same naturally aspirated 5.0-liter V8 engine introduced in the standard IS 500. Generating 472 hp at 7,100 rpm and 395 lb.-ft of peak torque at 4,800 rpm, this engine offers the linear acceleration and V8 muscle that driving enthusiasts crave. However, buyers that desire additional distinction will find numerous interior and exterior enhancements in the IS 500 Launch Edition.
Standing apart from the standard IS 500, the 2022 IS 500 Launch Edition interior builds upon Takumi craftsmanship with elevated interior materials, including sporty two-tone Black & Gray Ultrasuede® trimmed front and rear seats, door accents, and center console. Additionally, the heated leather-wrapped steering wheel receives unique silver ash wood treatment with black F SPORT Performance badging, and the interior will be appointed with a serialized Launch Edition badge to further highlight the vehicle's exclusivity. Moreover, the F SPORT combination instrumentation meter has been updated with an exclusive Launch Edition startup animation to further set this model apart from the standard IS 500.
Outside, the Lexus IS 500 Launch Edition is sure to turn heads with standard 19-inch split-seven-spoke forged alloy Matte Black BBS® wheels from the IS F SPORT Dynamic Handling Package. Not only are they impressive looking, the 19-inch BBS® wheels are approximately 4 pounds lighter per wheel compared to the standard 19-inch IS F SPORT wheel. The vehicle will be sold exclusively in Incognito, an all-new color for the Lexus lineup.
The 2022 IS 500 F SPORT Performance and IS 500 F SPORT Performance Launch Edition are expected to arrive in dealerships in Fall 2021.
I beg to differ--I think it looks horrible. The front end in particular looks like it was designed by an angry toddler scribbling with a crayon. Lexus went from having some of the most elegant and attractive vehicles on the road to among the very worst (in my opinion, of course).
Huh, well that was unexpected. Apparently IS350s are flying off lots. I guess that explains why there are only 2 within 250 miles of me. They claim it's not because of limited supply, but I have my doubts...we'll have to see how many units they actually sold when the quarterly figures come out.
I assume they didn't actually make a lot to begin with. When I was testing out the GS350 pre-covid, most dealerships had one or two IS350s on hand and maybe another 8-10 IS200s or 300s or whatever they decided to call the 4cyl version that year. I found loaded versions of the IS to be too closely priced to the GS to consider at the time. Its a shame that neither of these cars have gotten the updates they needed to be competitive because the IS was actually a decent alternative to the Germans at the start of this generation. Actually, most of their lineup is long in tooth including their SUVs.
I may still consider one of these if the price is right, but its hard to overlook some of the missing tech.
Yah i dont think there were many IS350 to begin with considering most of the people get the IS200T. Not many ppl are willing to be 50K+ for IS350s nowadays...
Oh... There are too many variables that can cause that other than actual demand... That article is deceiving, basically useless... they are telling me that IS350 is more "popular" than Tellurride? BS.
Popularity/high demand should be based on sales #... vs its competition and what is the average transactional price... how long it sits on the lot might be a indicator, but definitely not a significant one tho.
Oh... There are too many variables that can cause that other than actual demand... That article is deceiving, basically useless... they are telling me that IS350 is more "popular" than Tellurride? BS.
Popularity/high demand should be based on sales #... vs its competition and what is the average transactional price... how long it sits on the lot might be a indicator, but definitely not a significant one tho.
Well I did say I doubt Lexus’s claims that this isn’t due to supply issues, but that’s their official claim.
2514 units in March, which is but a drop in the bucket, but I suspect that's going to be higher than the TLX numbers we'll see tomorrow.
as a "brand new" design, it will be OK for several months or the first year. I think it will take a nose dive after the initial introduction period.
But If i were in the market for a mid $40k luxury sport sedan, i probably would choose IS350 over 330i and C300. Just because it has a V6.... Even tho it might or might not be slower.
Toyota isn’t focusing on V8s as much as it used to. The current Lexus LS is a V6-only affair now (bolstered by either turbochargers or hybridization), and the next-generation Toyota Tundra is rumored do ditch its husky 5.7-liter V8 in favor of a downsized twin-turbo V6 as well. However, we’ve heard rumblings of a twin-turbocharged V8 coming to a performance-oriented Lexus product, as evidenced by a recently discovered patent from 2020.
Toyota filed the claim (first discovered by a member of the GR86.com forum) in September 2020, well after we heard that development of the Lexus LC F had stalled. The patent features many revealing drawings, betraying the engine’s hot-V layout, with both turbochargers residing in the valley between the cylinder banks, reducing lag and improving throttle response. Details within the patent also suggest that a single-turbo layout is also possible, so Toyota could theoretically offer two different versions of the engine for varying power and efficiency requirements. We’d expect the twin-turbo to boast at least 600 horsepower (447 kilowatts).
Merely filing a patent doesn’t guarantee that Toyota will offer the engine in any of its products, but it still seems likely that it should show up in the next generation of Lexus’ performance vehicles, including the rumored LS F, LC F, and IS F. That would give the BMW M–rivaling sub-brand a high-tech flagship engine, and it would also explain why the current IS 500 isn’t a full-blown F model in spite of its prodigious 472 hp (352 kW) – Lexus wanted to leave some room at the top of the lineup for the incoming turbo eight.
The new engine might not be limited to Toyota’s luxury brand, either. It could show up under a high-performance off-road version of the next Tundra, allowing the fullsize pickup to rival the Ford F-150 Raptor and Ram 1500 TRX. Such a machine could help Toyota restore its Baja 1000 dominance, which it asserted in the 1990s with Ivan “Ironman” Stewart behind the wheel of a TRD-engineered Trophy Truck. Whatever the case, we hope Toyota allows this engine to proliferate the lineup somewhat, avoiding the bait-and-switch bummer that was Cadillac’s short-lived Blackwing twin-turbo V8.
Toyota hasn’t made any official announcements about the engine’s specifics or estimated arrival on the market, but we expect it to arrive in time for the Lexus LC’s expected facelift for 2023.