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Interesting...

Never Summer

As long as it isn't fugly like the current Prius, I won't loathe the car or its drivers even if they do like to drive 10 under the speed limit.

VTEC Racer

They are making a re-badged Prius a Lexus? Wow... Even Acura was smart enough to discontinue the Civic based RSX and soon to be discontinued CSX in Canada because of the economy-car roots.

So Toyota is taking the Prius, arguably THE biggest symbol of economy around the WORLD and re badging it a Lexus. 1SICKLEX must be slitting his wrists somewhere...

BraveDemon

^^ I don't know if thats necessarily the reason why Acura Discontinued the RSX; if anything, I think Acura/Honda decided to discontinue the RSX becasue it would be in direct competition with the new Civic Si.

If anything, boo to Acura for discontinuing the RSX-S; that 200hp FWD car drives like a sports car and gave their rather non sporty line up some youth/sports appeal. Psh, even dumber of them to discontinue the NSX. :veryno:

Interesting move by Lexus, but not all that outrageous.

I mean someone posted how Lexus expected to sell 10,000 of the new LS Hybrids a year, and ended up selling 10,000 a month. (or something like that).

If the masses think Hybrid is the way to go, then a smart automotive comapny will appeal to those masses.

Now here's hoping that the Lexus Prius is 1000x better looking than the current Toyota prius.

VTEC Racer

Acura specifically stated that they are discontinuing the RSX because they want to move the brand more upscale, not because it directly competes with the Civic Si. Same goes for the CSX.

Lexus has not sold anywhere near 10,000 LS600 hL's in one month, try more like 100. Last month, they sold 1,906 LS's TOTAL, down 36.6% from a year before.

Osamu

I don't think it's too bad of an idea. I know a lot of people that can afford a much nicer car than a prius, and yet, want the 'green' and convience of getting good gas milage that most of the other hybrids won't do. I personally know a lot of people that went from infiniti, lexus, MB into prius's. Not to mention all the celebrities that seem to be buying them up.

A fully loaded prius is pretty nice w/ navi, leather and HID's, but could do w/ some wood trim, and overall better quality interior materials. Just hope they can make it look like an almost regular car.

titan

Bad Idea.

JediMindTricks

that was my understanding as well.

Mokos23

Wow maybe a $25K Lexus?

Moog-Type-S

It better not be a "rebadged" Prius.

BraveDemon

You're right about, the LS's. I found the thread where I read something like that and it was actually that Lexus was planning to sell 2000 LS hybrids a year, but are selling 2000 a month. Sorry for the 10,000 figure I forgot the exact number and 10,000 a year seemed to be a reasonable amount for Lexus to shoot for in a year (but when I was writing that they sold 10,000 a month, a part of me knew that it oculdn't have been right... hence I said (or something like that).

As for the RSX; that is the exact statement that Acura said for discontinuing the RSX - moving the car up to upscale image or whatever. But I take whatever Acura says "tongue and cheek."

Sure it sounds like a decent excuse for discontinuing the RSX-S, but honestly, if the 2007 Civic SI were to never have come into existence, I believe it would've been likely for the RSX-S to still be in existence.

IMO, after discontinuing the RSX-S Acura's lineup looks more like something that would appeal to old fogies - SUVs and Sedans that attempt to be sporty and upscale.

Lexus will probably aim to sell like 5,000 prius based hybrids a year, and will probably end up selling triple that much; I mean its Lexus. There entire line up does decently in the upscale market.

Sarlacc

I'm actually surprised they didn't do it sooner.

Its has perfect potential for an entry level luxo mobile.

neuronbob

at Lexus. I simply don't understand the point of this.

Sarlacc

to make money, duh.

titan

That's exactly what the Toyota Camry based ES350 is for Lexus; and it sells quite well.

Sarlacc

Yeah, but everyone is all green now, so why the hell not cash in on it.

gilboman

lexus is #1 in luxury sales in the US... they know what they are doing, and they actually have luxury and sportsedans to sell so their brand is not diluted like acura.

acura state a lot of things, they just dont do any of it.

VTEC Racer

The RSX was a good selling vehicle. The Si was out before the RSX was debuted. Don't forget the GS-R too which was out at the same time as the Si. The Si had nothing to do with Acura's decision to discontinue the RSX.

Lexus usually does meet sales goals. However, when your sales goals are low to begin with, it's not hard to beat them. If Acura said their goal was to sell 1,000 RL's a year, would you consider it a stellar success now? Lexus makes good cars with an amazing marketing team to back them up. Acura makes cars that are just as good but with a NON-EXISTENT marketing team.

VTEC Racer

Acura is the #1 selling luxury brand in Canada. McDonalds also sells the most burgers in the world.

titan

meh... Continue to offer hybrid versions of the cars that already exist in the lineup. The LS, GS, and RX all have hybrid versions. The easiest hybrid to introduce IS the ES350; after all, it's powertrain would be identical to the Camry; so again, the argument you suggest of yet another "entry level" luxury model is redundant; and on top of that, another rebadge.

phile

It's not the green portion I'm concerned about, it's the Prius portion. I can't imagine the next gen Prius becoming mainstream in design since the current one's unconventional looks has proven so successful. So a Lexus version...

TSX69

DETROIT (Jan. 11, 2009) – Lexus today revealed the 2010 HS 250h, the world’s first dedicated luxury hybrid vehicle, at the North American International Auto Show. The HS 250h will be Lexus’ fourth hybrid and the most fuel-efficient vehicle in its lineup. It also will be the first Lexus to utilize carbon-neutral Ecological Plastic materials in a new futuristic cockpit and interior design.

A welcomed addition to Lexus’ entry-luxury sedan lineup, the HS 250h fits nicely between the IS luxury sport sedan and the ES luxury sedan. Research has shown that more than 60 percent of entry-luxury car buyers would have considered a hybrid if available, and the HS will provide these consumers with a viable purchase option.

Equipped with Lexus’ first four-cylinder gas engine, the 2.4-liter Atkinson-cycle powerplant is part of the latest Lexus Hybrid Drive System, which generates 187 total system horsepower. The highly efficient Atkinson-cycle engine, made possible by the Variable Valve Timing with intelligence (VVT-i) system, allows the expansion/power stroke to be longer than the compression stroke so that combustion energy can be more effectively used for production of engine power. The HS 250h sedan’s expected fuel efficiency will be more than 30-percent better than the most fuel-efficient model currently in the Lexus lineup, while earning a SULEV emissions rating utilizing regular 87-octane gasoline. Among the technologies adopted in the 2.4-liter four-cylinder engine are cooling piston oil jets; an optimized balance shaft rate for improved Noise, Vibration and Harshness (NVH) characteristics; and a hot-air venting system mounted behind the radiator.

Like the all-new 2010 RX 450h hybrid utility vehicle that made its debut in November, the HS 250h will include a new system designed to improve efficiency. The exhaust heat recovery system reduces engine warm-up time, thus allowing it to stop earlier, more often, and for longer periods. A windshield with infrared-ray (IR) reduction properties, which helps keep the interior more cool, has been adopted in order to decrease the amount of air conditioning needed to lower the cabin temperature. In addition to the exhaust heat recovery system and the IR windshield, available power-saving LED headlamps also contribute to improved fuel efficiency and emissions.

The all-new HS 250h sedan’s 0.27 drag coefficient (Cd) makes it among the most aerodynamic in its class. Airflow management over the exterior, below the under floor and through the air passages was extensively examined. A unique gull-wing-shaped roof-panel design reduces mass and overall vehicle height, thus reducing drag and improving fuel efficiency. The front spoiler, rear spoiler, rear under spoiler, and diffuser fins all reduce turbulence. Smooth A-pillar shape and the optimized angle and curvature of the bumper side panels also reduce wake turbulence, as does the increased taper of the fender side panels. The under-floor covers have been optimally positioned for reduced drag, while airflow restriction in the engine compartment has been lowered by optimizing the air-duct profiles around the radiator.

Aerodynamic design has also contributed to decreased wind noise. A smoother transition between windshield (complete with a sound-insulating inner layer) and roof line has improved air flow and reduced turbulence.

As is appropriate for the first dedicated luxury hybrid vehicle, the HS 250h includes proactive adoption of plant-based, carbon-neutral “Ecological Plastics” or bio-plastics in specific interior areas. Ecological Plastic emits less carbon dioxide during a product’s lifecycle than plastic made solely from petroleum. Among the areas of utilization will be an industry-first use in luggage-trim upholstery. Other areas are the cowl-side trim, door scuff plate, tool box area, floor-finish plate, seat cushions, and the package tray behind the rear seats. Overall, approximately 30-percent of the interior and luggage area is covered with Ecological Plastic. Over the estimated lifecycle of the vehicle, the HS 250h will have approximately 20-percent fewer carbon-dioxide emissions as a result of utilizing the Ecological Plastic trim pieces.

Like all Lexus hybrid models, significant time was spent in developing the HS 250h with optimized NVH characteristics. Dynamic dampers at each engine-mounting point reduce noise and vibration, resonators improve intake air noise, and optimized exhaust flow reduces exhaust sound. Special coatings dampen both engine and road noise, while improved seals around doors, hood and fenders reduce wind-noise penetration into the cabin. Vibration has been reduced by improving the shape and thickness of the suspension-mounting points. In addition, power-window speed controllers have been adopted from the LS luxury sedan, which insure a slower, soft closing rate.

The HS 250h chassis design provides an outstanding ride and comfort with the decreased NVH required by a Lexus hybrid. The MacPherson strut front suspension is designed to achieve both straight-line and braking control, and a positive steering feel. A double-wishbone rear suspension provides excellent maneuverability, control and comfort with a low spring mount that contributes to better packaging and superior cargo space. Coil springs, anti-roll bars and shock-absorber rebound springs are utilized front and rear. The HS 250h will have uniquely designed standard 17- and optional 18-inch wheels.

The rack-and-pinion steering system utilizes a brushless Electric Power Steering (EPS) motor on the steering column, which provides improved steering feel, a reduction in harsh feedback, and better emissions by not draining engine power like conventional hydraulic systems.

The EPS is an integral part of an available lane keep assist system, a new driver assist that adds smooth steering torque to help the vehicle stay in the center of the lane. The amount of assisted torque is dependant on a lane-marker detection camera. It includes a lane departure warning feature that is designed to detect possible lane departure; it then gives the driver an audible warning and provides feedback via the steering wheel to encourage corrective action.

The HS is slightly longer than the IS and is taller than both the IS and ES. It also has a greater couple distance (distance hip to hip between front and rear passengers) than any other vehicle in its class other than the ES. The contoured front-seat backs also add to increased rear-seat legroom.

The HS features a unique advanced cockpit and an interior design that emphasizes innovation and craftsmanship. The uniquely stylish cabin has standard leather-trim seats, a moonroof, Lexus premium audio systems, and a new standard multi-media package. The media features include Bluetooth® technology, integrated satellite radio (subscription required), voice recognition, and USB iPod connectivity controlled via steering-wheel controls or a display screen. A high-contrast multi-information display, located in the instrument panel’s hybrid system indicator gauge, is controlled via steering-wheel-mounted controls, allowing the driver to easily control various functions and information.

Another key element of the modern interior is Lexus’ new available Hard Disk Drive (HDD) Navigation System, which features a retractable navigation screen that is positioned well back and up front in the dash. The positioning helps improve visibility and reduce driver eye movement. Similar to the new RX, the HS system features the all-new “Remote Touch” controller that is both intuitive and ergonomic and allows for easy use of the Navigation System. The controller is positioned on the center console and is as natural to the driver’s hand as a computer mouse. It can also be customized to the desired level of haptic feedback.

The Navigation System also includes a new casual-speech voice recognition feature. This allows drivers to give more flexible, conversational commands for easier access and control of the audio, climate and navigation functions. Also included are XM® NavTraffic® and NavWeatherTM, along with XM Sports and Stock information.

Also helping to reduce driver eye movement is an optional Heads-up Display (HUD). The HUD uses high-intensity LEDs to make the display bright enough to be read even in direct sunlight.

A class-leading 10 airbags will be standard on the all-new HS 250h as well as active front head rests, which help passengers in case of certain types of rear-end accidents. The HS also will feature Lexus’ Vehicle Stability Control (VSC) system and optional Pre-Collision System with Dynamic Radar Cruise Control.

An available wide-view front monitor helps the driver to check hard-to-see areas. Using a camera mounted in the front grille, the monitor provides a 190-degree front view on the Navigation screen with the push of a button on the steering wheel.

The HS 250h will also offer Lexus’ next generation telematics systems, Lexus Enform and Safety Connect. Safety Connect will provide automatic collision notification, stolen vehicle location, 24/7 emergency and roadside assistance.

Lexus Enform’s Destination Assist features operators who will help drivers look up points of interest such as shopping centers or other business locations like Zagat-rated restaurants, and then wirelessly send directions directly to the vehicle’s navigation system.

Lexus Enform’s eDestination service will allow customers to pull up multiple points of interest on any computer and send them directly to the car’s navigation system. This innovative new feature will allow drivers to send a total of 200 destinations at a time to their vehicles.

The all-new 2010 HS 250h will reach dealerships nationwide in late summer.


2010 HS 250h PRELIMINARY SPECIFICATIONS

Total Hybrid System Horsepower 187 hp
Engine 2.4-liter 4-cylinder
Transmission Transmission Electronically
Controlled Continuously
Variable Transmission
Seating Capacity 5
Width (inches) 70.3
Height (inches) 59.3
Overall Length (inches) 184.8
Wheelbase (inches) 106.3
Driven Wheels FWD
Wheels 17x7.0
w/ P215/55R17
or
18x7.5
w/ P225/45R18
(Optional)
Emissions Rating SULEV

F23A4

Interesting.

It seems to me that they could have just incorporated the Camry Hybrid into an ES model (ES250h?) which already shares the Camry's platform and save on developmental costs...particularly in this economy.

titan

It's the rumored Lexus based off of the Prius platform.

titan

I really dislike the direction Lexus is moving with they're cars. The point snout/head lamp look for the ES350 has been sharpened and magnified on the new RX and now this ugly ass HS. Also, they're interior are going way out in left field... it's really weird looking, IMO. They can have it. I hope that Caddy's dedicated hybrid model coming out looks better than this thing.

ESHBG

Another smart move by Toyota/Lexus, and I like the exterior a lot. The interior I would need to warm up to a little, but I think that I eventually would. This is a pretty cool feature:

An available wide-view front monitor helps the driver to check hard-to-see areas. Using a camera mounted in the front grille, the monitor provides a 190-degree front view on the Navigation screen with the push of a button on the steering wheel.

Honda/Acura needs to get its act together, seriously.

derrick

Interesting car. My folks were looking into an ES350 this year (to take advantage of the 'car recession') but maybe I can convince them to wait until summer. I think this may be a 'better' car for my folks, since they are mainly city-only drivers and should put less of a 'carbon footprint' with a hybrid. My main question is ... what's the MSRP on this thing?! And will it be at the Detroit autoshow for people to actually SIT IN? Or will it be spinning on a display for people to look at only?

Yes -- the battery is not that eco-friendly, per se -- but at least having a hybrid seems to be less evil than a gas-guzzling SUV.

PS With a drag-coefficient of 0.27 ... there are not many ways to design the front end to be that slippery ...

supraken

iTrader: (1)

Is this based off of the Prius platform? Because its proportions and styling cues looks very similar to the different versions of the Corolla sold overseas

Other than the pricing and size, I don't really see how it fits between the IS and ES sedans...

LuvMyTSX

I'm not that crazy about the exterior. The front, particularly the grille, looks like the Ford Fusion grille which I don't like. The rear resembles a Corolla. It's a little odd looking, to be honest.

invisiblewar

my first thought was a corrola, either way it still looks good

sho_nuff1997

iTrader: (2)

I like the interior a lot. When they say it fits between the IS and the ES, do the mean in size or luxury?

Using the best average from THIS SITE, the RX400h averages 26mpg city/hwy---The HS should get ~33mpg, which isn't too bad, but if you are going to spend money on a hybrid, it should have better mileage than that.

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

good car at this point

einsatz

I dunno... I think it looks weird/awkward both inside and out.

Dan Martin

The TSX also has a drag coefficient of 0.27...

Bearcat94

:meh:

Pics make it look biggish-ish and a little fat. Looks to me a lot like the ES/Camry. Wonder what it weighs.

If it's as big as it looks, it'll be a bit for 187HP to pull around. Might explain the middling gas mileage for a "hybrid".

Infamous425

if i'm buying hybrid i'll take the ford fusion hybrid and 43mpg

(Cj)

the grille also looks a bit like the new Insight too.

Overall it looks ok, but it doesn't look luxurious...

I'm guessing that the whole slot between IS/ES means price. I can't imagine this thing selling well for $33K, but that's my opinion.

VTEC Racer

Looks like something that should have been badged Corolla. Inside and out. It looks like it's ready to compete with the CSX. I guess Lexus has decided to move down-market to attract sales.