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J.D. Power: Initial Quality News

Sources: Porsche, Hyundai make big gains in quality study - - Source: Autonews.com



Porsche and Hyundai will emerge as the biggest winners Wednesday when J.D. Power and Associates releases its 2006 Initial Quality Study, industry sources say. Porsche will vault to the top spot overall in the study, and Hyundai will place third, sources say. Published: 6/7/06
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.D. Power and Associates Initial Quality Study Undergoes a Major Redesign for 2006 - - Source: http://www.theautochannel.com/

Who: J.D. Power and Associates is holding a press teleconference to
reveal the changes made to the 2006 Initial Quality Study (IQS),
which will be released June 7. Joe Ivers, executive director of
quality and customer satisfaction research at J.D. Power and
Associates, will explain why IQS has changed, what is different
from previous studies and how the changes will affect media
reporting of study results.

When: 1 p.m. EDT Wednesday, May 10

Where: Teleconference. Please dial (866) 253-5757 (U.S. participants) or
(703) 639-1206 (international participants). To avoid delays,
participants are encouraged to call in five minutes before the
start of the teleconference.

What: The J.D. Power and Associates 2006 Initial Quality Study(SM)
provides automobile manufacturers and suppliers with in-depth
information on new-vehicle quality after 90 days of ownership.
The study is based on responses from purchasers and lessees of
current model-year vehicles and uses a problems-per-100-vehicles
(PP100) metric. The study includes quality comparisons by
assembly plant, make and model. The 2006 study is based on
results from a redesigned questionnaire that features an expanded
and refreshed question battery that differs in important ways from
previous studies.
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Not surprised at all about Hyundai. The new Sonata and Azera were IMO top notch.
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That's a big leap from Porsche's performance last year. The Cayenne dropped their ratings like a stone.
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I am not surprised at all.

Porsche has been doing well in the JD Power & Assoc. VDS's (vehicle dependability studies) the last few years and Hyundai had been on the rise as well. It's great to see them at the top of the IQS's.

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Since we cant compare this year's results with previous years due to the changes in compiling the results I can only comment on that chart without reference to previous years:

1. Porsche were always "lingering" at the top during recent years, so I am not surprised they made it to number one by a slim margin.

2. After all these years, it felt like Lexus are permanently glued to the top. However they are still performing in a stellar way at 93 problems per 100 vehicles.

3. Although Hyundai were improving by leaps and bounds during recent studies, I am still in disbelief at the performance improvement over there. This is exactly how the way GM and Ford should be thinking about every performance measure available for them: "From dead last in quality a decade ago, to the top (basically)" for Hyundai.

4. I am surprised at Toyota which has been showing signs of fade during the past few years, but again we cant directly compare. Nevertheless, they show how reliable of a product they offer once again.

5. Jaguar is doing great but thinking that there has not been much new product to introduce new bugs, steals some of the thunder. Overal very good performance for a very troubled brand however.

6. Honda is doing OK still.

7. I am surprised at Cadillac. I was expecting much better performance from them. Lots of new produce however.

8. Infiniti = no comment. They are where they should be IMO.

9. GMC. Great job at GMC.

10. Acura should be doing better than this. Not much new product from them so no excuses.

11. I am surprised at Chrysler to see them do so much better than so many others and so much above the industry average, especially after one considers the massive numers of new product over there!

12. Nissan at last has something to show.

13. I am expecting a ton better from Chevy. They should be above Toyota IMO. Lots of new product for them but still. This is no time for excuses. A ton more new product is in the pipeline so it probably will get worse for them. I hope not.

14. I was expecting Ford to do worse here.

15. Audi just cannot! get it. Period.

16. Pontiac needs to either go the way Oldsmobile did or all at Pontiac need to take a pink slip and replaced yesterday. There is not one bright angle at that company. Not one.

17. Volvo is a big disappointment here.

18. What the hell happened to Buick. I know we cant compare to previous years, but werent they at the top during consequtive years before? Very disappointed I am at this performance from Buick.

19. Mercedes way below than even Audi! And about 15 spots below Chrysler. How can the Germans buy an American brand, fix that, then have the German part of the business tank with respect to initial quality? Unbelievable. What is going on over there?

20. Very disappointed at Scion. This is still a Toyota arm. Why so low on this study?

21. BMW lower than all German brands? Like Buick they were also at the top 5 during the past few years. How the hell did that happen? Certainly they had some new product but still...

22. I am very disappointed at Saab. Troubled in so many ways, here is another one.

23. VW is just a joke at this point. And it wont be fixed in the next few couple of years, or more, due to so much new product coming.

24. Not surprised at Land Rover at all. But when you look at the pricing of this product, it's disgusting.
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Originally Posted by gavriil

23. VW is just a joke at this point. And it wont be fixed in the next few couple of years, or more, due to so much new product coming.
But they DO have the lowest ego emmissions of all the german brands
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It's amazing that Honda does better than its "premium" brand Acura.

Acura needs some serious work...it should surpass Honda. IMHO

Just look at Toyota/Lexus and Nissan/Infiniti.
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Originally Posted by mrdeeno
But they DO have the lowest ego emmissions of all the german brands
:gheylaugh: Yes, that makes up for everything else. LOL.
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Here is my "beef" with this kind of study. Its problems per vehicle..

Technically, a complaint about a rattle counts as much as an engine exploding or a transmission falling out.

There needs to be some sort of scale for the severity of the problems.
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
Here is my "beef" with this kind of study. Its problems per vehicle..

Technically, a complaint about a rattle counts as much as an engine exploding or a transmission falling out.

There needs to be some sort of scale for the severity of the problems.
I think MOST of the cars sold by these brands are of high enough quality/reliability that the cases of an engine exploding or tranny falling out is probably so rare in the first 90 days that it wouldn't make much impact on the study anyway.

The same probably couldn't be said 10-15 years ago, but I think it's safe to say that most problems in the first 90 days are rattles or a malfunctioning seat heater up to maybe the nav system not working right...essentially pretty minor stuff anyway.

That's why the ratings probably tell us more about which automaker has introduced more new models with newer gizmos introduced vs. models that have been on market with relatively older gizmos (LS430 for example). Wonder how this will look when the next LS comes out.

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expect hyundai to stay on top because the new santa and elantra are so much better than the current gen. especially for santa, many say it's another XG to azera transformation.

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but lexus really is on a roll and toyota is right up there.

Lexus and Toyota models continue to dominate initial quality rankings, capturing 11 out of 19 segment awards in 2006. Lexus models rank highest in every segment in which they compete. In addition, the LS 430 ties the Porsche Cayman for having the fewest quality problems in the industry. Other top-ranking Lexus models include: IS 250/IS 350, ES 330, SC 430, GX 470 and LX 470.

Toyota remains a quality benchmark, capturing five model-level awards—for the Corolla, Solara, Camry, Highlander and Sequoia—more than any other non-luxury brand.

i'm really impressed with lexus..highest in every segment in which they compete
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I dont doubt the Toyota and Lexus rankings one bit.
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The reason you see manufactures moving around so much this year is that J.D. changed the way they do the survey. Here's a link to a CNN article that explaines it

http://www.cnn.com/2006/AUTOS/06/07/...iqs/index.html

For example:
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This year's scores are not comparable to those of previous years because this year, for the first time, J.D. Power considered design flaws that bother consumers as well as actual defects. Had the ranking been based on defects alone, Lexus would have ranked first and Porsche second.
And
"For example, BMW vehicles have among the fewest defects and malfunctions, along with Toyota," said Ivers. "But BMW approaches controls and displays in a way that creates some problems for customers, leading to more design-related problems overall than Toyota incurs."

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Maybe they need to come up with another survey:

JD Power and Associates
2006 Vehicle Ergonomics and Functionality Survey
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June 8, 2006

Porsche Takes Lead In Major Quality Study
J.D. Power Survey Drops Longtime Leader Lexus

To No. 2 ; Asian Cars Still Top U.S. Brands Overall
By JENNIFER SARANOW
June 8, 2006; Page D1
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In the latest J.D. Power & Associates new-car-quality survey, Porsche AG came from behind to overtake longtime leader, Toyota Motor Corp.'s Lexus brand.

Lexus, which had held the top spot for five years, came in second, while Porsche moved into first place from last year's ranking of No. 31.

Despite Porsche's gain, Asian auto makers generally held on to high rankings, while a number of German and domestic nameplates lost ground, signaling further challenges for U.S. auto makers who have lost market share to Asian rivals perceived to have higher-quality vehicles.

Rounding out the top four, Hyundai Motor Co. jumped to No. 3, up from a tie with General Motors Corp.'s Hummer brand at No. 10 last year, and marking the first time Hyundai came in among the top three nameplates in the study.

Toyota came in fourth, up from seventh place last year. GM's Buick brand dropped from No. 4 to a below-average ranking at No. 22, and Ford Motor Co.'s Land Rover came in last place, down from nearly last in the 2005 survey.

Besides Porsche, German brands generally dropped in the survey, with DaimlerChrysler AG's Mercedes-Benz brand and BMW AG's BMW both falling to below average from top-10 rankings last year. Volkswagen AG's VW brand finished in the bottom four for a second year in a row.

Auto makers consider the Initial Quality Study, which looks at problems owners report for the first 90 days of ownership, to be the Oscars of quality. And they pay the Westlake Village, Calif., consulting firm for breakdowns of the data and to be able to use the results in their advertising.

This year for the first time, J.D. Power divided the publicly published results into two categories: design quality, measuring things like the usefulness of dashboard displays and controls, and production quality, which measures the level of defects and malfunctions. Based on the two different categories, Porsche had 49 defect or malfunction problems and 35 design problems per 100 vehicles. BMW, in contrast, had 82 design problems and 52 defect or malfunction problems, per 100 vehicles. Problems with the new 3 series, in particular, dragged BMW down.

The survey itself has been totally redesigned this year, for the first time since 1998. The aim was to make it more relevant to the vehicles on the road today, which are loaded with high-tech features ranging from DVD players to navigation systems and have faster production cycles, as well as to help car makers better identify problems with these models.

The new survey, based on questionnaire responses from 63,607 buyers and lessees of new 2006 models, asked about 217 specific problems, ranging from rear DVD-system playback to loose molding to peeling paint. That's up from 135 problems previously queried. And the questions were more detailed than in the past, asking, for instance, if "a navigation system freezes up" rather than if it's just "not working properly."

Because of the change to the survey, some auto makers say it's hard to compare results year to year. But Joe Ivers, executive director of quality and customer-satisfaction research for J.D. Power, says that his own analysis shows that the changes in rankings weren't due to the different questions being asked, but rather could be explained by changes in the vehicle lineup.

The success of Porsche, which jumped to No. 1 in the nameplate rankings, can be partly attributed to the totally new Cayman mid-engine hard-top sports car, which came in at the top of the compact premium sporty car segment. In addition, the German car maker made a number of quality improvements to its Cayenne sport-utility vehicle.

"We study the results of quality studies ... and we go to the factory and make changes," says Tony Fouladpour, Porsche spokesman. For example, he says the Cayenne key fob was improved so someone can hold it and lock the car from further away than previously.

Hyundai, meanwhile, came in third with 102 problems reported per 100 vehicles, making the Korean car maker the top non-luxury or mass-market nameplate. The company's focus on quality in recent years has "really paid off over the last three years," says spokesman Chris Hosford.

Mr. Hosford says the headrests in the 2006 Tucson were changed to improve comfort, the instrument-panel was improved for visibility and ease of use, and the radio antenna was redesigned to reduce wind noise. Among Hyundai models, the Tucson was ranked the highest among compact "multi-activity vehicles" (or SUVs).
TOP HONORS

Some of the top-ranked models:
• Compact premium sporty car: Porsche Cayman

• Large premium car: the Lexus LS 430

• Midsize car: Toyota Camry

• Compact 'multi-activity vehicle': Hyundai Tucson

• Van: Chrysler Town & Country

• Plus, see the full results1 of the J.D. Power & Associates 2006 Initial Quality Study.

Source : J.D. Power

Despite the Lexus brand dropping overall, specific Lexus and Toyota models continued to rank high. The two brands captured 11 out of 19 segment awards in the 2006 survey, and Toyota ranked highest in five segment categories, including the Toyota Highlander in the midsize multi-activity vehicle segment and the Toyota Camry in the midsize car category.

Honda Motor Co.'s Honda brand came in No. 6 among nameplates
, with five Honda models among the top three of their respective segments.

Among domestic brands, GM's Buick brand dropped to a tie at No. 22 from a fourth-place ranking last year, partly because its two best-selling vehicles are gone -- the Century and LeSabre. Cadillac also fell to No. 7 from No. 5 among nameplates last year. But the GMC and Chevrolet brands both moved up. The Ford nameplate came in below the industry average for a second year in a row. And DaimlerChrysler's top-ranked brand was Chrysler, which tied with Acura for 10th place.

GM took all three top spots in the large pickup category. Hummer dropped to nearly last, from 10th last year, which J.D. Power attributes to problems with the H3 model. "We want to be much better than this, but [the quality improvement] validates we're moving in the right direction," says Jamie Hresko, vice president of quality at GM, North America.

The generally weaker showings of many U.S. brands illustrate the challenges U.S. auto makers face in attracting consumers. According to research firm Autodata Corp., GM, Ford and DaimlerChrysler have all lost market share, based on May year-to-year sales figures, as car sales slumped amid higher gas prices. In addition, April was the first month when Toyota outsold DaimlerChrysler in the U.S.

Write to Jennifer Saranow at jennifer.saranow@wsj.com2
URL for this article:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB114969755347673837.html

Hyperlinks in this Article:
(1) http://www.jdpa.com/corporate/news/r...df/2006082.pdf
(2) mailto:jennifer.saranow@wsj.com
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That probably explains why Buick is so low because of people complaining about the style given that it's average aged owner is a senior.

Ironically Nissan announced their issues with the 4cyl Altima and Sentra how they burn up too much oil. I wonder where Nissan will be next year.
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So what does this mean? Statistically every car made has 1.24 problems?
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So what does this mean? Statistically every car made has 1.24 problems?
That every new car now is basically very good and the only thing separating #1 from #2 is how customers evaluate placement of cupholders and such.
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These studies confuse me.

How can Subrau/bmw rank much higher on reliablity but rank so low on Initial Quality?

So basicly means their new product line isnt as good as their old stuff?
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Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
These studies confuse me.

How can Subrau/bmw rank much higher on reliablity but rank so low on Initial Quality?

So basicly means their new product line isnt as good as their old stuff?
no... initial quality is how well the car holds up when its brand new..basically defects present when its delivered to consumer and not the reliability of the vehicle.
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Originally Posted by gilboman
no... initial quality is how well the car holds up when its brand new..basically defects present when its delivered to consumer and not the reliability of the vehicle.
This is probably the best post you have EVER made. I'm not kidding.

I completely agree. Initial quality involves rattles, trim part defects, and mechanical problems in the first year of ownership (and now design problems too).

Reliability is how well a vehicle holds up without stranding you. A car could have all 4 power windows malfunctioning, the navi busted, and the seat heaters not working, but it would still be reliable because it can still get you around.

An unreliable car is just that, you can't trust it to take you from point A to point B without something major happening that might leave you stuck on the side of the road (02 sensor going bad, thermostat sticking causing overheating and coolant boiling off, wheels falling off, suspension problems, tranny troubles, other engine problems, binding brakes, etc).
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Originally Posted by mrdeeno
Maybe they need to come up with another survey:

JD Power and Associates
2006 Vehicle Ergonomics and Functionality Survey
Not a bad idea.
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In addition, the LS 430 ties the Porsche Cayman for having the fewest quality problems in the industry.
Now THAT is impressive. The Cayman, a first year Porsche model, hanging with Lexus's 6 year old flagship.

to Porsche
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Originally Posted by youngTL
This is probably the best post you have EVER made. I'm not kidding.

I completely agree. Initial quality involves rattles, trim part defects, and mechanical problems in the first year of ownership (and now design problems too).

Reliability is how well a vehicle holds up without stranding you. A car could have all 4 power windows malfunctioning, the navi busted, and the seat heaters not working, but it would still be reliable because it can still get you around.

An unreliable car is just that, you can't trust it to take you from point A to point B without something major happening that might leave you stuck on the side of the road (02 sensor going bad, thermostat sticking causing overheating and coolant boiling off, wheels falling off, suspension problems, tranny troubles, other engine problems, binding brakes, etc).
Just out of curiousity source of that definition.
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Porsche, Toyota Top Power Quality - - Source: The Car Connection

Though Toyota and its luxury arm, Lexus, continued to dominate the latest Initial Quality Survey, the Japanese giant had some unexpectedly tough competition from two brands not generally known as quality benchmarks.



Porsche pushed past Lexus to capture the number one spot in the 2006 IQS, a closely-scrutinized measure of how consumers rate the quality of their vehicles during the first few months of ownership. The typical Porsche had 91 problems for every 100 vehicles, or pp100. Lexus, with 93 problems, came in a close second - while actually capturing the top spot in each product segment in which the luxury marque competes.



Perhaps the biggest surprise was delivered by the South Korean automaker, Hyundai. Not many years ago, it helped anchor the bottom of the quality charts. But this year, reported J.D Power & Associates, which publishes the annual study, Hyundai took the number three spot, edging out Toyota , which was fourth among the 37 brands included in the '06 IQS.



Overall, those manufacturers saw their quality improve by eight percent compared to the results in 2005 - at least by using last year's methodology. But California-based Power made some significant changes to the Initial Quality Survey for 2006, which Joe Ivers, JDPA's executive director of quality and customer satisfaction, said were meant to make the study, now in its 20th year, "more detailed, finite and particular."



Among other things, the IQS now separates actual defects from design flaws, which could include a flimsy cupholder or a too-small glovebox. The result of that change proved significant. Toyota would have been third, among all brands, based solely on defects, but it was eighth in terms of design flaws.



Just looking at actual defects, BMW would have tied with Toyota . But it suffered from a variety of consumer-perceived design flaws, as well, including its oft-maligned iDrive, as well as ergonomic issues with the new 3-Series. Combining the two categories, BMW fell to the bottom third of the manufacturers included in this year's IQS, with a combined problem count of 142. The industry average was 124.



Hyundai's stellar performance showed it able to control defects, while also limiting the number of problems its owners had with vehicle design. That's all the more significant, said Ivers, when you consider that the Korean carmaker was nearly driven out of the U.S. market, a decade ago, due to quality problems.



"They had to reinvent themselves," said Ivers. "It is clear they are now in the big leagues."



"This ranking proves what tremendous strides we've made in quality, especially with an almost entirely new model lineup," the average vehicle less than two years old, said Owen Koh, Hyundai's President and CEO.



Even competitors had to offer praise to the Korean maker. "Do we keep our eye on Hyundai? Of course we do, because they're going becoming a bigger and bigger player," said Toyota 's Jim Lentz. But he insisted he wasn't upset being nudged into fourth place.



Toyota took the top spot in 11 of the 19 product segments, Lentz emphasized - the Corolla, for example, was best compact car, while the Solara was named best midsize sporty car. And Lexus grabbed the top spot in every segment it competed in, including the large premium car winner, the LS430.



If Toyota showed any weakness, it was with Scion. The "brand-within-a-brand" was credited with 140 problems per 100 - just ahead of BMW, but behind such nameplates as Kia, Dodge and Buick. Ivers suggested several reasons for the Toyota division's problems, including the fact that Scion promotes the customization of its vehicles. Some aftermarket parts just aren't up to snuff, and that generates discontent, he said.



There's also the fact, added Toyota Vice President Lentz, that Scion attracts some of the youngest and most picky buyers in the industry. Other youth-oriented brands, such as Mazda, Mitsubishi, and Volkswagen, also scored well below the industry average.



"That's one of the reasons for Scion," Lentz asserted. "We have to have a better sense of how to please these buyers better in the future."



Porsche's strong performance showed that paying attention to the results of the IQS can help a manufacturer get quality under control, said Ivers. Ironically, Porsche was traditionally one of the weak links among the European brands that once dominated the quality charts. This year, only one other European brand scored above average. Jaguar slipped into sixth place, with an average 109 defects per 100 vehicles.



Mercedes-Benz fared only slightly better than BMW, with 139 problems for every 100 vehicles. BMW's MINI brand had 150 problems per 100, Volkswagen 171, and Land Rover plunged to last place, with 204.



American automakers had some setbacks in the latest IQS, which tabulated the responses from 63,607 motorists to see how their vehicles performed during the first 90 days of ownership.



With 117 problems, Cadillac was the number-eight brand - but the top-ranked American nameplate. GMC, Chrysler, Lincoln, and Chevrolet were the only other domestic brands to top industry average.



But JDPA's Joe Ivers said Buick and HUMMER, both General Motors brands, may have been hurt by their own success. In past years, Buick built some of the highest-quality products sold by any American manufacturer, including the recently-retired Regal. Newer models, such as the Lucerne , have been attracting a younger and more affluent set of buyers, but those customers are more picky - and apparently less satisfied.



Doug Betts, the vice president of customer satisfaction at Nissan, said he was generally pleased with the 2006 IQS results. His brand moved up four slots this year, while its sibling division, Infiniti, jumped by two. More importantly, said Betts, the revised IQS formula offers his company guidance for future quality control efforts.



"It's a lot more clear what the problem is," said Betts, "and how to attack it."
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The whole study can be found here:

http://www.jdpa.com/corporate/news/r...df/2006082.pdf
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Last years chart



Im sorry but this just doesnt add up. How can some of the makers jump to the top so fast in a year?

Maybe some owners cant figure out how to use some of the new technogly and go to the dealer to complain? :dunno;

Hell wouldnt leaving a gas cap loose cause a CEL make it on the list as an issue as well. Seems silly! Just silly.

This chart just proves which brand of owners who complain the most.
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Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
Last years chart



Im sorry but this just doesnt add up. How can some of the makers jump to the top so fast in a year?

Maybe some owners cant figure out how to use some of the new technogly and go to the dealer to complain? :dunno;

Hell wouldnt leaving a gas cap loose cause a CEL make it on the list as an issue as well. Seems silly! Just silly.

This chart just proves which brand of owners who complain the most.
maybe you should read the first page for explanation
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Originally Posted by youngTL

I completely agree. Initial quality involves rattles, trim part defects, and mechanical problems in the first year of ownership (and now design problems too).
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Thats what i read.

Explain how one year time can get Porshce can go from dead bottom to the top.

I mean the cayman isnt selling that well, i would find it hard to beileve that car alone made the company skyrocket up the chart.

Did bmw rank low because people couldnt figure out the Idrive or they had real issues with it?

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Originally Posted by SalukiBear
The reason you see manufactures moving around so much this year is that J.D. changed the way they do the survey. Here's a link to a CNN article that explaines it

http://www.cnn.com/2006/AUTOS/06/07/...iqs/index.html

For example:
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And



im a retard, feel free to delete my posts.
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Now THAT is impressive. The Cayman, a first year Porsche model, hanging with Lexus's 6 year old flagship.

to Porsche

Hanging with 6 year old quality aint quality.
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Originally Posted by heyitsme
Hanging with 6 year old quality aint quality.
although it's basically a boxter with LESS moving parts (no moving roof parts).
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Hanging with 6 year old quality aint quality.
When that 6 year old car has been the world-wide leader for every one of those 6 years then it is. If it wasn't a big deal, then every new car released in the last 2-3 years would have a higher quality rating than the LS430 right now.
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When that 6 year old car has been the world-wide leader for every one of those 6 years then it is. If it wasn't a big deal, then every new car released in the last 2-3 years would have a higher quality rating than the LS430 right now.
A 6-year old car doesn't have the technology of todays cars. Try comparing a 6 year old computer to a current model under the same performance standard.
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Originally Posted by heyitsme
A 6-year old car doesn't have the technology of todays cars. Try comparing a 6 year old computer to a current model under the same performance standard.

I think to some extent you are helping make the case against yourself. Older cars are not as tech intensive and thus are likely to have fewer problems especially at the end of the run when all the pattern problems have been fixed. To say a car matches the Lexus flagship at the end of its model run is pretty much as high an honor in initial quality a car can receive. This is compounded by the fact it is a first year car from a niche manufacturer.

In the end making the statement hanging with 6 year old quality ain't quality is rather dumb in this senario. Cars quality usually get better throughout the product cycle, given we are talking about the LS430 it is a major deal. Plus we aren't talking about the LS430's quality 6 years ago we are talking about it now.

Bottom line you are completely off base with this argument and about as incorrect as one can be about this issue.
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J.D Power released 2008 Initial Quality Study





vs 2007



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<---- waiting for JD Power VDS.


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