Infiniti planning a BMW 1-Series rival
#41
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Originally Posted by is300eater
not that I'm defending BMW or anything... it's not just about the power/weight/performance but... the styling too... Infiniti could fvck it up with some fugly design then people will still be drawn to the 1 series
#42
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I don't think it's fugly... when I saw one from the front... I didn't even know it was a 1 series... I thought it was a 3 The only part of the car that I don't care for is the sharp drop in the back (roof). Otherwise I don't think it's bad at all... (and keep in mind... I'm all pro Infiniti). I mean... I think this AC Schnitzer 1 series looks pretty tight...
#43
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i know it is not ugly. i never said it is ugly. it is a good performance machine and it is just that. but the design is nothing to brag about.
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Originally Posted by Brandon24pdx
Please...135i will never lose to anything marketed by Infinity. It was a freak of nature from day 1, not unlike the Supra.
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
what the fuck did you just say?
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Originally Posted by Brandon24pdx
Please...135i will never lose to anything marketed by Infinity. It was a freak of nature from day 1, not unlike the Supra.
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that whole statement is just weird... how is the Supra relavent?
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Besides, the Supra was no more popular nor special than the FD3S, Z32 and GTO (3000GT) during its production run. (It wasnt until The Fast and the Furious a decade later that it reached another level.)
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shit they should just update the convertible m30 coupe from back in the day and be done with it. that car came stock with 3.0v6 in it and made ok power.
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Originally Posted by is300eater
I don't think it's fugly... when I saw one from the front... I didn't even know it was a 1 series... I thought it was a 3 The only part of the car that I don't care for is the sharp drop in the back (roof). Otherwise I don't think it's bad at all... (and keep in mind... I'm all pro Infiniti). I mean... I think this AC Schnitzer 1 series looks pretty tight...
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Originally Posted by mrproul
shit they should just update the convertible m30 coupe from back in the day and be done with it. that car came stock with 3.0v6 in it and made ok power.
#58
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The Infiniti G37 is small enough. Go try the back seat. If it's any smaller, it might as well be the Z.
Frankly Infiniti has some nice sporting machines but the packages haven't all been that great. Look at the EX - function wise it's terrible.
To compete with BMW, Infiniti will have to under cut the price significantly in a smaller platform. I don't think they can pull it off with something as exciting.
By the way, Infiniti follows BMW all over the place and in the long run it's not going to be successful doing that.
Frankly Infiniti has some nice sporting machines but the packages haven't all been that great. Look at the EX - function wise it's terrible.
To compete with BMW, Infiniti will have to under cut the price significantly in a smaller platform. I don't think they can pull it off with something as exciting.
By the way, Infiniti follows BMW all over the place and in the long run it's not going to be successful doing that.
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If Infiniti builds a 1 series competitor with the 3.7 engine and stick and an option of a 5 door hatch I would buy it in a heartbeat (uhh...when I have a job)
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Originally Posted by TMQ
The Infiniti G37 is small enough. Go try the back seat. If it's any smaller, it might as well be the Z.
What Infiniti needs to do is come up with a lightweight RWD offering to counter the 1-series... The 128i weighs in @ 3252lbs so something closer to 3000bs would rock
Ghosn has hinted before about reviving the old Datsun name with a lineup of cheap lightweight rwd vehicles before...
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Originally Posted by GreenMonster
SMALL ?? Sure... but it's a pig @ almost 3700lbs... (3668lbs for a sport 6mt G37).
What Infiniti needs to do is come up with a lightweight RWD offering to counter the 1-series... The 128i weighs in @ 3252lbs so something closer to 3000bs would rock
Ghosn has hinted before about reviving the old Datsun name with a lineup of cheap lightweight rwd vehicles before...
What Infiniti needs to do is come up with a lightweight RWD offering to counter the 1-series... The 128i weighs in @ 3252lbs so something closer to 3000bs would rock
Ghosn has hinted before about reviving the old Datsun name with a lineup of cheap lightweight rwd vehicles before...
#62
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Originally Posted by Jackygor
That would be great! IMO, the Datsun name is pretty legendary. I am pretty sure the 1-series infiniti fighter would probably based on the next Silvia.
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^^ on the prior 4 posts.
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
what the fuck did you just say?
Here's the cliff's notes: Infiniti attempting to beat BMW at anything besides price = FAIL
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Originally Posted by Brandon24pdx
Do you not fucking understanding english or something?
Here's the cliff's notes: Infiniti attempting to beat BMW at anything besides price = FAIL
Here's the cliff's notes: Infiniti attempting to beat BMW at anything besides price = FAIL
I still would rock an Infiniti over a Lexus or Acura now.
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Originally Posted by Mokos23
Infiniti needs to have more engine choices in their models and then they'll be more in the BMW realm. Like the 3 series has 3 choices there, 328, 335, and M3. 1 series has the 128 and 135. If Infiniti had a G25, G35, and maybe a G45/50, then they'll be on par with BMW.
I still would rock an Infiniti over a Lexus or Acura now.
I still would rock an Infiniti over a Lexus or Acura now.
#68
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Originally Posted by Brandon24pdx
Do you not fucking understanding english or something?
Here's the cliff's notes: Infiniti attempting to beat BMW at anything besides price = FAIL
Here's the cliff's notes: Infiniti attempting to beat BMW at anything besides price = FAIL
Just to name a few:
Interior, reliability and customer service
#69
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Originally Posted by Brandon24pdx
Please...135i will never lose to anything marketed by Infinity. It was a freak of nature from day 1, not unlike the Supra.
#70
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
and no i do Not "Understanding" your English and your infinitY
***ask him what he meant about the Supra? and it's relevance?
#71
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dang, exciting.
And how the hell would an infiniti competitor with the 3.7 engine to the 1series not be a fucking blast to drive?
Hell, they could release a coupe to compete w/bmw, and a 5 dr. hatch to compete with
Audi both on the same platform...
And how the hell would an infiniti competitor with the 3.7 engine to the 1series not be a fucking blast to drive?
Hell, they could release a coupe to compete w/bmw, and a 5 dr. hatch to compete with
Audi both on the same platform...
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well more engine choices with Infiniti cars the more broader range of customers would buy an Infiniti. Seriously, if the G20 was still around with the 4 cylinder that made 210 hp I would've bought that instead of a TSX.
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Originally Posted by Mokos23
well more engine choices with Infiniti cars the more broader range of customers would buy an Infiniti. Seriously, if the G20 was still around with the 4 cylinder that made 210 hp I would've bought that instead of a TSX.
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but when Ghosn stepped in, wasn't that one of the first thing he wanted to do was to get rid of all 4 bangers (and FWD) over in the Infiniti line?
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Originally Posted by F23A4
It would conceivable be a G25 using the Sentra SE-R Spec V motor. (Pure speculation on my part.) Even so (and though I am a Nissan guy), I would take a TSX over a QR25DE G25.
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Originally Posted by Mokos23
wow, what's the reason why you would choose the TSX over the G25?
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Originally Posted by is300eater
but when Ghosn stepped in, wasn't that one of the first thing he wanted to do was to get rid of all 4 bangers (and FWD) over in the Infiniti line?
That's exactly what he did. It was the right call at the time, too. I'm not opposed to a turbo-four banger, but the Infiniti should definitely be RWD, IMO.
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Originally Posted by F23A4
It would conceivable be a G25 using the Sentra SE-R Spec V motor. (Pure speculation on my part.) Even so (and though I am a Nissan guy), I would take a TSX over a QR25DE G25.
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Moko was referencing the Primera based G20 NOT the FM based G35....as in newer version of the G20 (which likely would not be a 'G' at all, in order to avoid any confusion with the current G) as an alternative to the TSX:
That said, the QR25DE has had its share of problems and from my personal experience is nowhere near as refined as the K-series. (I wont even go into how problematic the QR has been for Nissan.) IMHO, when it comes to V6 motors, VQ > J-series...but when it comes to NA 4 cylinders, K>>QR and just about every other NA inline 4 on the market.
Originally Posted by Mokos23
well more engine choices with Infiniti cars the more broader range of customers would buy an Infiniti. Seriously, if the G20 was still around with the 4 cylinder that made 210 hp I would've bought that instead of a TSX.