SpicyMikey

Probably not a fair comparison. More appropriate to compare the TSX 4 to the TSX 6 since they are the same car with the exception of engine (just like the G25/G37). In that case the difference between the two TSX's is about $3000.

It will all depend on what they offer in that "base" price of $30k. if it's identical to base G37 at $33k then it seems about right.

biker

An even better comparison would be the IS250 vs IS350. About the same power diff (100HP). If Infiniti's proportion of G25 to G37 is the same as the others (328 vs 335 and IS250 vs IS350 - probably about 4 to 1) they better hope the volume goes way up cause their profit may go down.

JD23

There is an over $5000 difference between the I4 and V6 TSX, not $3000, so my point still stands. The difference between the IS350 and IS250 is over $4000, which is again more than the G25 and G37. For a savings of only $3000, I don't see why many people would opt for the G25. One of the strengths of the G37 is that it is more powerful than its similarly priced competitors; the G25 doesn't have such an advantage.

pimpin-tl

I wouldn't call the G25 slow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LnI11bSlS8

psteng19

Unless it gets high 30 mpg's on the highway, which I read somewhere that it did.
Maybe it was imperial gallons, or some other measure.

psteng19

That seemed like 7s to 62 mph/ 100kmh?

majin ssj eric

Not slow at all. Certainly should be a better performer than the TSX or the IS250

biker

But few people care about the power. They bought the G37 for the overall package - not the power alone. The diff would have to get down to $1000 or less for people to pay for the extra power all other things being equal. Heck, Ford is charging more for less power in the new Explorer.

derrick

The $3k differential between the G25 over the G37 is also more than the sticker price ... as someone has already mentioned ... fuel economy may be significantly better. And let's not forget insurance cost. To some lead foot drivers, that could mean hundreds less per year (well, that's what it's like in Ontario, Canada).

Also ... how is the weight distribution? Smaller engine may mean better balance / lower center of gravity, etc. I'm speculating here because I haven't looked too much into a G25 (since I already have a G37 and don't care to 'downgrade' engines at this point in time)

JD23

I guess I just don't see it with the G series, because the main reason I would consider the car is the 3.7L VQ. Without that, the car is not particularly special. If the G37 had 10% less power, which would put it below the TL and CTS, I doubt that it would be it a massive sales success.

As I've already said, the G25 should be between $4000 and $5500 cheaper than the G37 to put it in line with the price difference that exists between the I4 and V6 TSX and IS.

smarty666

Well if that is the way you feel about the power reduction, then I guess the TSX I4, IS250, 328i, C300, and A4 I4 are not particularly special either over their more powerful higher trims.

JD23

No, that's actually not true. I ordered a 2.0T A4 recently; the now defunct V6 in the A4 offered nearly no performance advantages over the I4, but cost $3500 more. It sold so poorly that it was discontinued. I see the purpose of the G25, but think that it is too expensive relative to the G37. I've already shown that the I4 TSX and IS250 are discounted more heavily compared to their V6 brethren.

majin ssj eric

What? The MSRP for the base TSX is $29310 and the MSRP for the V6 TSX is $34850. Going by that, the G25 will be close to the same price as a 4-cylinder TSX while offering RWD, more power, more cylinders, etc. Just because the base G37 sedan stickers for less than the V6 TSX ($33250) doesn't mean the G25 is overpriced; if anything the G37 is underpriced....

Furthermore, the IS250 stickers for $33315 which is more than the G37! I still fail to see how the G25 at $30k is "overpriced"....

biker

Once the G25 is established Nissan will increase the price of the G37 to have the same gap as the others and have them make more money on each sale. As it was outlined above, the reason that the diff right now is not that great is that the G37 is priced too low.

Mizouse

I'm interested in the G25 to replace the 3G TL when the time comes. But I dunno if I could deal with the loss of ~40HP

JD23

Please reread my posts again. I never used the word overpriced. Do you understand what "too expensive relative to the G37" means? If the G37 did not exist, I would have no problem with the pricing of the G25. However, I think the two models are too close in price; either the G25 should be cheaper or the G37 should actually be more expensive. Infiniti set the bar very high in terms of value with the G37, and the G25 falls short; the G37 is a very good value, while the G25 is only a moderate value.

SSFTSX

TSX V6 has 18inch rims and tires. that alone add $2K to the car price. additional sound deadening with ASC. TSX V6 will be probaly lower in starting price with exact same specification as I-4.

smarty666

I was hoping we could have gotten a little while longer before the Troll came on to ruin the thread but at least we got as long as we did out of it!

As per usual, the SSFTSX psychobabble has begun! Enjoy everybody.

MyCarIsntInMyWifesName

And consistently disrupting threads is normally grounds for a little vacation. Why not in this case I don't get.

Anyhow, the G25 should do just fine.

jchan2

I think Infiniti will use the G25 as a way to raise the price of the G37 when the next generation G rolls around, whenever that is. They will take a moderate price reduction now and reduced G25 sales in exchange for the opportunity to get people accustomed to a G25 and then use that opportunity to raise the price on the G37 the next go around.

I would not be surprised if the next generation G had prices as follows:
G25: $32,000 base
G37: $36,000 base
That would put them more in line with Lexus while still leaving room for them to be a "better value" than the BMW 3-Series.

biker

Those will be the prices next year, never mind the next gen. Other than the I4 TSX, Infiniti will aim to have the lowest base price in the segment.

phile

I don't know how anyone can scoff at this. you get a midsize luxury car with adequate performance at an affordable price. this was what the TL used to be just 2 generations ago, and it sold like hotcakes. except with the Infiniti you're not stuck with FWD and the bowling ball marble trim on the inside that Acura tried to pass off as wood.

Hapa DC5

Ignore it and it goes away or battle it to death. LoL your two options.

phile

^ can't ignore it when people keep quoting and responding to it.

if I ignored everyone who did so, the whole thread would disappear for me because some of those people also post the actual news in between the de-rama.

F23A4

With respect to its most direct competition (i.e.: IS350, TL SH-AWD, 335i), ...the G37 is seriously underpriced.

Hapa DC5

Put your war paint on. I don't mind battling him, but he gets annoying. So I either had him on block, skipped over his posts, or go all out on it.

Most of us get annoyed with his stuff and the exchanges back and forth so I hold back to save bandwidth.

MyCarIsntInMyWifesName

I've opted to just visit less.

Reminds me of the Lincoln lineup. Ford's (mods) on it with the new models and there's the fucking Town Car (SSFTSX) that they won't touch. Unlike the Town Car SSFTSX's days aren't official coming to an end.

Hapa DC5

They still make the town car shiet....

MyCarIsntInMyWifesName

For one more year.

Shift_Acura

Infiniti prices in Canada:

G37: $38,690 (328 HP/ 269lb-ft)
G25: $36,390 (218 HP/ 187lb-ft)

Price difference is only $2300. Power difference is 110 HP and 82 lb-ft

G25 should have been priced around $34,500 IMO

A TSX starts at $32,990 just for comparisons.

biker

Considering how whored out the VQ is, it doesn't surprise me that the diff is so small. For all we know it costs Nissan just as much to make the 2.5l V6 (much lower volume for now) as the 3.7 l V6 engine. Otherwise the cars are the same.

Even at that price diff I don't see the majority of the folks paying the extra money for the extra HP.

dom

Far too close.

But keep in mind that 32K TSX has cloth, no HID's etc. Any idea on the standard equipment of the G25.

Belzebutt

Just curious if the level of equipment exactly the same?

Also, for someone who really doesn't need the extra 110 HP and would prefer better fuel economy, it's $2300 in the pocket.

jnc2000

MSRP for base TSX -- 29,310

MSRP for TSX tech -- 32,410

All models of the TSX offer HID's and leather...

doh -- USDM only

SpicyMikey

In somewhat related news to all this talk about price points for the new G25, I saw this today and it reminded me about the other fact which will now be true; Infiniti will now be selling a car substantially cheaper than the top end Nissan.

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...19/492689.html

alex2364

Didn't that happen with the GT-R? It's more expensive than any Infiniti.

SpicyMikey

Yea, you got me there Not to mention some of the 370z's too. But I was thinking about the main anchor models for each brand. Even Acura has more seperation now than Nissan. I realize theres that FWD/RWD distinction going on with Nissan/Infiniti that doesn't exist with Honda/Acura. But still I keep wondering if this was a good move for elevating brand value over the long run. Time will tell. I may be thinking too much about long term brand perception. In this economy the battle cry in board rooms right now is probably; just sell cars!

majin ssj eric

^^^In that case, Infiniti and Nissan are both doing well...

mrdeeno

Well isn't that the same case with Toyota and Lexus? The top end Toyota is the Land Cruiser which is significantly more $ at $65k than most of lexus models and even encroaches the price of the LS.

alex2364

^ Plus top of the line Odyssey and Pilot are $40k which is in Acura territory.