Hyundai: Azera/Grandeur News
10-25-2005, 10:14 PM
#161
Originally Posted by ndx2
I think it's so funny that you expect Hyundai to perform a miracle of making cars that are unique, yet appeal to the mass at the same time (you know, to make money), all at a lower price than the competiton.
They're doing what's necessary to establish themselves as a reliable brand - there's no way around it. I don't recall Toyota introducing Lexus right off the bat... and don't even get me started on the LS400/430 design.
Just curious, what do you drive, phile?
They're doing what's necessary to establish themselves as a reliable brand - there's no way around it. I don't recall Toyota introducing Lexus right off the bat... and don't even get me started on the LS400/430 design.
Just curious, what do you drive, phile?
2) Again, not reading what I wrote. I said the new LS...look for the thread.
3) I drive an Accord.
10-25-2005, 10:23 PM
#162
Originally Posted by heyitsme
The only thing I really don't like about the exterior design and what comes to my mind when I see it is the Sonata headlights. Having Audi like design qualities etc can only help Hyundai, but I really don't see any of those qualities in this car.
2nd, people giving Lexus shit for having a similiar design as Toyota wouldn't be considered in the same way as hyundai taking ques from upper end cars that aren't even in their company. They really have nothing to lose at this point by taking ideas from higher end cars that are successful.
If anything, I see an exterior that really isn't all that hot for drawing in larger numbers of buyers.
2nd, people giving Lexus shit for having a similiar design as Toyota wouldn't be considered in the same way as hyundai taking ques from upper end cars that aren't even in their company. They really have nothing to lose at this point by taking ideas from higher end cars that are successful.
If anything, I see an exterior that really isn't all that hot for drawing in larger numbers of buyers.
10-25-2005, 10:27 PM
#163
Originally Posted by aaronnn
the hyundai sonata model has been around for a while. even before the accord styling was introduced. hyundai had that design way before any of these new models came out. so no copyiing here.
i dont get why everytime a hyundai topic comes up people are hating on it to the point where theyre just accusing and not looking at the issue as a whole. give all cars a fair chance. hyundai has come a long way and theyre the only ones that seems to be moving up at such an incredible rate
i dont get why everytime a hyundai topic comes up people are hating on it to the point where theyre just accusing and not looking at the issue as a whole. give all cars a fair chance. hyundai has come a long way and theyre the only ones that seems to be moving up at such an incredible rate
I'm not hating on it - I even remarked that it looked promising. What I'm saying is that Hyundai can be better than this. If people want to misinterpret that as hating, that's too bad.
10-25-2005, 10:37 PM
#164
Like I've ALWAYS asked to the critics of Hyundai... "Who knows where they will be in 10 years from now?"
They are whooping ass in the auto industry right now and Rick Wagoner (you know, the CEO of the largest corporation in the world, General Motors) announced in a public statement that he's going to watch out for Hyundai.
By the way, I see no resemblance in the interior between the Azera and the Avalon. But while we're on the subject of "copying", so what? That's what the Japanese companies did back in the days, without shame. But they didn't stop at copying; they innovated on that and made it better than the products they copied from. That's what Hyundai is doing. They are already one of the top ten largest auto manufacturers in the world, and in the next decade, they will, without a doubt, become one of top five.
See, the thing is... Hyundai is not just a car company. Their business ventures extend far beyond auto manufacturing, which means they have nearly limitless resources and technology. They've started to figure out their game plan now, and they will be unstoppable in the near future.
They are whooping ass in the auto industry right now and Rick Wagoner (you know, the CEO of the largest corporation in the world, General Motors) announced in a public statement that he's going to watch out for Hyundai.
By the way, I see no resemblance in the interior between the Azera and the Avalon. But while we're on the subject of "copying", so what? That's what the Japanese companies did back in the days, without shame. But they didn't stop at copying; they innovated on that and made it better than the products they copied from. That's what Hyundai is doing. They are already one of the top ten largest auto manufacturers in the world, and in the next decade, they will, without a doubt, become one of top five.
See, the thing is... Hyundai is not just a car company. Their business ventures extend far beyond auto manufacturing, which means they have nearly limitless resources and technology. They've started to figure out their game plan now, and they will be unstoppable in the near future.
10-25-2005, 10:39 PM
#165
hail to the victors
santa fe, tucson, tiburon, accent, and elantra- not a carbon copy. if they are, link some pics. they are just a boring design, except tiburon.
sonata- it fixed accord's rear that's all. you could even say it's interior is original.
and i do agree that azera's front reminds me of mazda millenia.
sonata- it fixed accord's rear that's all. you could even say it's interior is original.
and i do agree that azera's front reminds me of mazda millenia.
10-25-2005, 10:44 PM
#166
Originally Posted by chungkopi
sonata- it fixed accord's rear that's all. you could even say it's interior is original.
10-25-2005, 10:58 PM
#167
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Originally Posted by phile
No it hasn't, the remodeled one just came out, and similar taillights were on the Accord already.
Originally Posted by Pure Adrenaline
Nah, the R&D of the current generation Sonata began a couple of years before that of the 7th generation Accord. The credit goes to Hyundai.
10-25-2005, 11:02 PM
#168
Originally Posted by aaronnn
Besides, pics of the Accord had leaked out before it even was released:
10-25-2005, 11:06 PM
#169
Originally Posted by chungkopi
santa fe, tucson, tiburon, accent, and elantra- not a carbon copy. if they are, link some pics. they are just a boring design, except tiburon.
10-25-2005, 11:09 PM
#170
fap fap fap
copying others worked (ie sells, $$$) for lexus/toyota so hyundai figures it will make them money too. considering their previous 'original' designs were so ugly and didnt sell as much as now
10-25-2005, 11:12 PM
#171
Originally Posted by phile
Think again. The Accord came out before the Sonata. If you're arguing that the Sonata's R&D process was already ongoing before the Accord came out, what makes you think the Accord's R&D wasn't already ahead of the Sonata's?
Besides, pics of the Accord had leaked out before it even was released:
Besides, pics of the Accord had leaked out before it even was released:
Because the R&D of the current generation of Sonata began 7 years prior to getting the OK for production. And the Sonata hit the Korean market first last year, meaning the R&D began back in 1998. That's when the 6th generation (last generation) Accord first came out.
I don't care if the pictures of the 7th generation Accord leaked out before it was released. I HIGHLY doubt that the pictures leaked out back in 1998 along with the introduction of the previous generation model.
10-25-2005, 11:19 PM
#172
Originally Posted by phile
Good. So then why step backwards? Why not continue that and actually build brand recognition?
Now when I say Hyundai, just about everyone knows about it.
Build brand recognition? Consider it done... and this is in Michigan. Hyundais have much stronger presence on the west coast, along with other parts of the country. And with the new factories in Alabama, their recognition will only keep going up... built right here in the U.S.A.
10-25-2005, 11:22 PM
#173
Fahrvergnügen'd
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery 
Remember, the 1st gen LS400 was an S-Class ripoff ... And it was brilliant for Lexus/Toyota to do that. Give me the feeling and looks of an S-Class for about 50% of the price? Where do I sign?
Remember, the 1st gen LS400 was an S-Class ripoff ... And it was brilliant for Lexus/Toyota to do that. Give me the feeling and looks of an S-Class for about 50% of the price? Where do I sign?
10-25-2005, 11:40 PM
#174
Drifting
Originally Posted by phile
Think again. The Accord came out before the Sonata. If you're arguing that the Sonata's R&D process was already ongoing before the Accord came out, what makes you think the Accord's R&D wasn't already ahead of the Sonata's?
Originally Posted by Pure Adrenaline
Because the R&D of the current generation of Sonata began 7 years prior to getting the OK for production. And the Sonata hit the Korean market first last year, meaning the R&D began back in 1998. That's when the 6th generation (last generation) Accord first came out.
I don't care if the pictures of the 7th generation Accord leaked out before it was released. I HIGHLY doubt that the pictures leaked out back in 1998 along with the introduction of the previous generation model.
I don't care if the pictures of the 7th generation Accord leaked out before it was released. I HIGHLY doubt that the pictures leaked out back in 1998 along with the introduction of the previous generation model.
but i didnt need to think again. i knew my sources were correct from reading up on these infos and i know what i was talking about. the current model sonata design came out way back in the late 90's. and exactly as pure adrenaline stated, thats exactly when the 6th gen accords first made their way over here. why would honda leak next gen pics when they just released the new model?
10-25-2005, 11:41 PM
#175
Originally Posted by phile
I'm just saying, Hyundai could've been a little more ambitious. instead they take elements of every other car for their exterior, and then mimic the Avalon's interior. Some originality from Hyundai once in a while wouldn't hurt, you know.
10-26-2005, 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by phile
No it hasn't, the remodeled one just came out, and similar taillights were on the Accord already.
10-26-2005, 12:10 AM
#177
Originally Posted by titan
They fixed what was wrong with Accord's rear. One can't be mad at that. The Sonata's rear looks really good. And before I hear alot of shit about looks being subjective, I know. I'm always the one who brings it up first. That said, for a safe design that seems to appeal to alot of peopl (I've seen them all over in my area), I think it's an attractive car.
10-26-2005, 01:30 AM
#179
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i love how beautifully that car has been done. cant wait til what the aftermarket companies over here are gonna come up with! its definitly the nicest sportiest sedan that hyundai has come up with. so much better than the sports coupe, tiburon too.
10-26-2005, 02:15 AM
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One thing I noticed is that the Azera has FLAT seats! That's something I also hated about the Avalon. Are those cars meant for fat people who couldn't fit their huge planet size asses into the seats? Otherwise good job. I'm concerned about the handling though with that gigantic 3.8L in the front.
10-26-2005, 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by youngTL
One thing I noticed is that the Azera has FLAT seats! That's something I also hated about the Avalon. Are those cars meant for fat people who couldn't fit their huge planet size asses into the seats? Otherwise good job. I'm concerned about the handling though with that gigantic 3.8L in the front.
10-26-2005, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by youngTL
I'm concerned about the handling though with that gigantic 3.8L in the front.
10-26-2005, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by youngTL
One thing I noticed is that the Azera has FLAT seats! That's something I also hated about the Avalon. Are those cars meant for fat people who couldn't fit their huge planet size asses into the seats? Otherwise good job. I'm concerned about the handling though with that gigantic 3.8L in the front.
10-26-2005, 03:03 PM
#185
Originally Posted by titan
They fixed what was wrong with Accord's rear. One can't be mad at that. The Sonata's rear looks really good. And before I hear alot of shit about looks being subjective, I know. I'm always the one who brings it up first. That said, for a safe design that seems to appeal to alot of peopl (I've seen them all over in my area), I think it's an attractive car.
10-26-2005, 03:17 PM
#186
That's not a bad looking car inside or out. It's a very safe design and it'll sell real well for Hyundai
10-26-2005, 04:07 PM
#187
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Originally Posted by phile
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, and the worst form of innovation.
10-26-2005, 05:09 PM
#188
hail to the victors
hyundai has been very successful. if i was hyundai CEO, i wouldn't change a damn thing right now. they are growing faster than my 14 year old nephew.
and it's only a matter of time hyundai will introduce something like this
and it's only a matter of time hyundai will introduce something like this
10-26-2005, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by charliemike
You can afford to innovate when you have the world by the balls. When you're just about to be let in the game as an equal for the first time, it's not in the best interests of the corporation to take chances and bomb. Establish a reputation and then they can take chances (like BMW with Bangle).
11-26-2005, 12:53 PM
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Hyundai launches Azera at $24,995 - - By Greg Migliore - - Source: Automotive News
Hyundai Motor America is selling its flagship 2006 Azera at $24,995 when it arrives in showrooms in late November and early December.
The full-sized sedan will come standard with a 3.8-liter V-6 engine rated at 263 hp, electronic stability control and eight airbags. Hyundai said the car gets 19 mpg in city driving and 28 on the highway.
The Azera replaces the smaller XG350 in Hyundai's lineup, which started at $25,494. Built on a modified Sonata platform, the Azera will vie in the full-sized car segment, against such competitors as the Toyota Avalon and Ford Five Hundred.
The Azera Limited trim level starts at $27,495 and adds 17-inch alloy wheels, leather trimmed and heated seats and a power rear sunshade.
The top trim level, called the Azera Limited with Ultimate Package, starts at $29,995. It features a 10-speaker audio system, six-disc CD changer, power sunroof, telescopic steering column and rain-sensing wipers.
All prices include shipping.
The full-sized sedan will come standard with a 3.8-liter V-6 engine rated at 263 hp, electronic stability control and eight airbags. Hyundai said the car gets 19 mpg in city driving and 28 on the highway.
The Azera replaces the smaller XG350 in Hyundai's lineup, which started at $25,494. Built on a modified Sonata platform, the Azera will vie in the full-sized car segment, against such competitors as the Toyota Avalon and Ford Five Hundred.
The Azera Limited trim level starts at $27,495 and adds 17-inch alloy wheels, leather trimmed and heated seats and a power rear sunshade.
The top trim level, called the Azera Limited with Ultimate Package, starts at $29,995. It features a 10-speaker audio system, six-disc CD changer, power sunroof, telescopic steering column and rain-sensing wipers.
All prices include shipping.
11-26-2005, 04:22 PM
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The sizzle in the Steak
Hyundai builds a better car, and then sells it for less than the previous model it replaces?!?!?!
GENIUS! These guys are on a non-stop roll!
GENIUS! These guys are on a non-stop roll!
11-28-2005, 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
Great pricing especially when you consider the transaction cost will be significantly less. Might be the perfect time to buy a Korean car, when the transaction costs are still low before the average Joe realizes how good they have become. The only reason not to buy a Korean make now is if you plan to sell it after only a couple of years and get hit with the still quick depreciation.
11-28-2005, 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
Hyundai Motor America is selling its flagship 2006 Azera at $24,995 when it arrives in showrooms in late November and early December.
The full-sized sedan will come standard with a 3.8-liter V-6 engine rated at 263 hp, electronic stability control and eight airbags. Hyundai said the car gets 19 mpg in city driving and 28 on the highway.
The Azera replaces the smaller XG350 in Hyundai's lineup, which started at $25,494. Built on a modified Sonata platform, the Azera will vie in the full-sized car segment, against such competitors as the Toyota Avalon and Ford Five Hundred.
The Azera Limited trim level starts at $27,495 and adds 17-inch alloy wheels, leather trimmed and heated seats and a power rear sunshade.
The top trim level, called the Azera Limited with Ultimate Package, starts at $29,995. It features a 10-speaker audio system, six-disc CD changer, power sunroof, telescopic steering column and rain-sensing wipers.
All prices include shipping.
The full-sized sedan will come standard with a 3.8-liter V-6 engine rated at 263 hp, electronic stability control and eight airbags. Hyundai said the car gets 19 mpg in city driving and 28 on the highway.
The Azera replaces the smaller XG350 in Hyundai's lineup, which started at $25,494. Built on a modified Sonata platform, the Azera will vie in the full-sized car segment, against such competitors as the Toyota Avalon and Ford Five Hundred.
The Azera Limited trim level starts at $27,495 and adds 17-inch alloy wheels, leather trimmed and heated seats and a power rear sunshade.
The top trim level, called the Azera Limited with Ultimate Package, starts at $29,995. It features a 10-speaker audio system, six-disc CD changer, power sunroof, telescopic steering column and rain-sensing wipers.
All prices include shipping.
12-01-2005, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Hyundai builds a better car, and then sells it for less than the previous model it replaces?!?!?!
GENIUS! These guys are on a non-stop roll!
GENIUS! These guys are on a non-stop roll!
hyundai definitly stepping up in the market. and bringing some real competition! looks like hyundai is gonna beat what the japanese automakers started. cant wait to see it in person.. plus, wonder how the elantra, accent, and the tibby is going to improve in the upcoming years.. cant wait!
12-03-2005, 04:43 PM
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http://www.hyundaiazera.com/
Probably be a decent car to pick up used after the initial drop off in value.
Probably be a decent car to pick up used after the initial drop off in value.
12-03-2005, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by heyitsme
http://www.hyundaiazera.com/
Probably be a decent car to pick up used after the initial drop off in value.
Probably be a decent car to pick up used after the initial drop off in value.