Honda S1000!!
08-05-2003, 10:38 AM
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Honda S1000!!
Just got the September issue of Road and Track yesterday. In the "2004 preview" section there's a small article about a proposed Honda S1000. As the name suggests, it'll be a smaller version of S2000/2200 with a 1L 4 cyl putting out 120HP. I'll see if I can copy the whole text of the article tonight.
Before you ask, I don't have a digital camera and/or scanner. Someone else with a subscription to R&T will have to help out in order for you to see the pic.
I don't remember if the article mentioned pricing, but I'd guess $15-19k. What do you guys think? Good idea?
Before you ask, I don't have a digital camera and/or scanner. Someone else with a subscription to R&T will have to help out in order for you to see the pic.
I don't remember if the article mentioned pricing, but I'd guess $15-19k. What do you guys think? Good idea?
08-05-2003, 11:33 AM
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Actually, that would be cool. I love the S2000, but it's out of my price range for a "second" car.
A 3-4 year old S1000 with the same kind of balance looks like it'd be ballin.
A 3-4 year old S1000 with the same kind of balance looks like it'd be ballin.
08-05-2003, 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by Santacruz
Sounds like a Miata.
Sounds like a Miata.
I wonder why they feel they need to bother?
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08-05-2003, 01:33 PM
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Not really excited about this. I thought there was talk about bringing back the CRX, which was supposed to be a similar beast. That would be a better idea I think.
I also think the s2000 and rsx model lines should be swapped between acura and honda. But then that would make far too much sense
I also think the s2000 and rsx model lines should be swapped between acura and honda. But then that would make far too much sense
08-05-2003, 02:25 PM
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Originally posted by Count Blah
Would an S1000 still be twice the car the S500 is?
Would an S1000 still be twice the car the S500 is?
Edit: Isn't that a picture of an S600? I don't think the 500s have those ridiculous triangle wheels. :P
08-05-2003, 02:31 PM
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Edit: Isn't that a picture of an S600? I don't think the 500s have those ridiculous triangle wheels. :P
Edit: Isn't that a picture of an S600? I don't think the 500s have those ridiculous triangle wheels. :P
08-05-2003, 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by larchmont
(You're on a roll -- that's two in a row of yours that I don't get!)
(You're on a roll -- that's two in a row of yours that I don't get!)
08-05-2003, 02:47 PM
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The S1000 rumor goes way back it's suppose to be same size as Honda Beat. The weight target is 700 kg I believe. Honda wants to build some small cars that can challenge MCC Smart roadster and coupe.
08-05-2003, 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by ClutchPerformer
Exactly!
Because the Miata is GREAT! And now Honda can have a great small sporty car, too. They could even make a hatch body style on that same platform and bring back the CRX
Exactly!
Because the Miata is GREAT! And now Honda can have a great small sporty car, too. They could even make a hatch body style on that same platform and bring back the CRX
08-05-2003, 06:09 PM
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Honda did step up to the Miata market with the Sol. Which, in VTEC mode, outperformed the Miata. Of course the lowly Sol was just a FF car, when it looked like a MR car. Which IMO, was the reason the Sol didn't sell to well and I doubt Honda wants to get burned in this market again. There's really only enough room for one small roadster, and that one roadster is the Miata.
08-05-2003, 08:15 PM
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The S1000, priced under $20k, fills the niche left behind by the Honda del Sol. As the article states, it's a 1L, FWD, "thing." Can't compare this car to the Miata. IMO, the S1000 is a girly car.
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The Text:
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2006 Honda S1000
Honda has always considered itself the world's premiere compact sports car maker. But without a compact sports car in its lineup, Honda has seen Mazda and BMW taking all the limelight. Enter the S1000, a front-engine/front-wheel-drive roadster with the look and feel of the S2000 and the driving character and value of the CRX. Unfortunately, from what we learned, this car may not be marketed in the U.S. because of its diminutive size [a reference to the safety issues someone else mentioned here]. The engine is reported to be a high-revving [duh] 1.0-liter inline-4 with 120 bhp. The car will weigh in at about 2000 lb.
We hope that Honda recognizes that such a car can prove popular in America, and that it's priced well below $20,000.
--SM [which I assume is Sam Mitani]
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2006 Honda S1000
Honda has always considered itself the world's premiere compact sports car maker. But without a compact sports car in its lineup, Honda has seen Mazda and BMW taking all the limelight. Enter the S1000, a front-engine/front-wheel-drive roadster with the look and feel of the S2000 and the driving character and value of the CRX. Unfortunately, from what we learned, this car may not be marketed in the U.S. because of its diminutive size [a reference to the safety issues someone else mentioned here]. The engine is reported to be a high-revving [duh] 1.0-liter inline-4 with 120 bhp. The car will weigh in at about 2000 lb.
We hope that Honda recognizes that such a car can prove popular in America, and that it's priced well below $20,000.
--SM [which I assume is Sam Mitani]
08-06-2003, 03:38 AM
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I do not consider this car will fill what the del Sol left behind. Going from a 1.6L 160hp engine to a 1L 120hp engine? Definetly sounds like a follow up to the Beat, IMO. Would no way fall into the class of the Miata/MR2 Spyder.
08-06-2003, 09:55 AM
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Originally posted by BuddySol
I do not consider this car will fill what the del Sol left behind. Going from a 1.6L 160hp engine to a 1L 120hp engine? Definetly sounds like a follow up to the Beat, IMO. Would no way fall into the class of the Miata/MR2 Spyder.
I do not consider this car will fill what the del Sol left behind. Going from a 1.6L 160hp engine to a 1L 120hp engine? Definetly sounds like a follow up to the Beat, IMO. Would no way fall into the class of the Miata/MR2 Spyder.
you are forgetting that the S1000 weighs less then 2000 lbs so power to weight is good
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Yeah, I've heard about this supposed 1.0 liter engine from Honda. Now "supposedly" it is going to be revving up to 11,000 rpms or so and it will be in the JDM CRX.
Again, I say supposedly because the CRX has had so many "comebacks" that its just irritating. I miss the CRX and I would buy one in a hearbeat but with so much speculation, mis-information its just frustrating.
Again, I say supposedly because the CRX has had so many "comebacks" that its just irritating. I miss the CRX and I would buy one in a hearbeat but with so much speculation, mis-information its just frustrating.
08-07-2003, 02:53 AM
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Ahhh. I think I remember hearing about this CRX concept. There was an article going around a couple forums a while back...
Impressive if this thing will come out. Well, if they ditch the CRX concept out the window for a mini-S2, I wouldn't be to dissapointed. I will be dissapointed, if Honda chooses to waterdown the power for the American market (which usually happens...)
While Honda thinks about reintroducing one of its most glorious models, we can't help but blurt out our full support, - this is a no-brainer, guys.
The CRX was brilliant when Honda developed it almost 20 years ago, and the tearaway combination of light and potent hasn't lost its appeal. Honda is believed to be seriously considering developing a two-seat sports car with those qualities, using its new Global Small Platform. The car, which Honda insiders are already calling the CRX, could appear in late 2004 or early 2005.
For the Japanese market, the CRX will exist in two forms: an entry-level model with a 1.0-litre DOHC VTEC triple producing appoximately 74 kW (the engine derived from the block used in Honda's Insight hybrid coupé), and a hardcore 1.6-litre DOHC four cylinder engine (also with VTEC) generating 110-115 kW. Not incredible, until you realise that the target weight for the four-cylinder coupé is said to cut under 800 kg. Put it this way - that's 200 kg less than the Mini and 175 kg lighter than an MR2.
This gives the 1.6-litre variant a tidy 7.27 kg/kW ratio in the worst case. By comparison, a 225 kW VXII SS Commodore has a kilogram-to-kilowatt ratio of 7.52. So, if Honda builds it, the little CRX will stand-out quick. Transmissions proposed are a five-speed manual for the 1.0-litre three cylinder, and a six-speed manual for the 1.6-litre. Use of Honda's CVT is said to be under study, but is not yet an official part of the programme.
The new two-seater is small, and information from Honda indicates a wheelbase in the 2250 to 2350 mm range, overall length of less than 3650 mm, width of 1690 mm and height below 1270 mm. This makes it a strictly a two-pew affair.
The CRX was brilliant when Honda developed it almost 20 years ago, and the tearaway combination of light and potent hasn't lost its appeal. Honda is believed to be seriously considering developing a two-seat sports car with those qualities, using its new Global Small Platform. The car, which Honda insiders are already calling the CRX, could appear in late 2004 or early 2005.
For the Japanese market, the CRX will exist in two forms: an entry-level model with a 1.0-litre DOHC VTEC triple producing appoximately 74 kW (the engine derived from the block used in Honda's Insight hybrid coupé), and a hardcore 1.6-litre DOHC four cylinder engine (also with VTEC) generating 110-115 kW. Not incredible, until you realise that the target weight for the four-cylinder coupé is said to cut under 800 kg. Put it this way - that's 200 kg less than the Mini and 175 kg lighter than an MR2.
This gives the 1.6-litre variant a tidy 7.27 kg/kW ratio in the worst case. By comparison, a 225 kW VXII SS Commodore has a kilogram-to-kilowatt ratio of 7.52. So, if Honda builds it, the little CRX will stand-out quick. Transmissions proposed are a five-speed manual for the 1.0-litre three cylinder, and a six-speed manual for the 1.6-litre. Use of Honda's CVT is said to be under study, but is not yet an official part of the programme.
The new two-seater is small, and information from Honda indicates a wheelbase in the 2250 to 2350 mm range, overall length of less than 3650 mm, width of 1690 mm and height below 1270 mm. This makes it a strictly a two-pew affair.
Impressive if this thing will come out. Well, if they ditch the CRX concept out the window for a mini-S2, I wouldn't be to dissapointed. I will be dissapointed, if Honda chooses to waterdown the power for the American market (which usually happens...)
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