Honda: Civic News
#4642
If you're getting under steer in the CTR, you aren't driving it right. It's not meant to ever lose traction, like a RWD car can. The CTR is built to haul ass through a race track and does exactly that, with numbers to back it...
#4643
Lots and lots and lots and lots of engineering's clearly gone into the new CTR's front end. Pretty amazing.
"Further proving that this Civic is special are model-exclusive spring, damper and bushing settings, with an upgraded front front suspension that includes aluminum lower arms and steering knuckles. Honda says this reduces dreaded toque steer while enhancing cornering on the bleeding edge of what’s stable. There is also a new four-wheel adaptive suspension system, limited-slip differential, and dual-pinion electric steering offering variable ratios."
"Further proving that this Civic is special are model-exclusive spring, damper and bushing settings, with an upgraded front front suspension that includes aluminum lower arms and steering knuckles. Honda says this reduces dreaded toque steer while enhancing cornering on the bleeding edge of what’s stable. There is also a new four-wheel adaptive suspension system, limited-slip differential, and dual-pinion electric steering offering variable ratios."
#4644
Yeah, it's pretty crazy/cool. I just meant if someone is getting under steer, they're probably driving the car wrong... Sucks it's still FWD, but honestly, I could easily live with it. I'm able to mash my TL through corners pretty well these days, but it's after years and years of driving FWD Hondas. I don't have anywhere near the balls to push my RWD cars that hard. I don't know if I'll even get to that limit, ever, to be honest. I'm always scared the ass end will come out on me
#4645
Very cool that you got some seat-time in the new CTR.
It's an interesting engineering decision for Honda/Acura to stick with FWD while the competition goes AWD. I certainly look forward to comparo-reviews of the various hot-hatch platforms once the CTR reaches these shores. (Of course, many folks have been hankering for Acura to make a RWD car for quite some time now...) I was recently test driving a Scion FR-S and really miss the RWD dynamics. Finances and practicality moved me towards the more sober decision of buying my new (to me) 3G TL as a DD. The last RWD I had as a DD was my first car, a 1978 Pontiac Firebird, which I loved.
It's an interesting engineering decision for Honda/Acura to stick with FWD while the competition goes AWD. I certainly look forward to comparo-reviews of the various hot-hatch platforms once the CTR reaches these shores. (Of course, many folks have been hankering for Acura to make a RWD car for quite some time now...) I was recently test driving a Scion FR-S and really miss the RWD dynamics. Finances and practicality moved me towards the more sober decision of buying my new (to me) 3G TL as a DD. The last RWD I had as a DD was my first car, a 1978 Pontiac Firebird, which I loved.
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Yeah, it's pretty crazy/cool. I just meant if someone is getting under steer, they're probably driving the car wrong... Sucks it's still FWD, but honestly, I could easily live with it. I'm able to mash my TL through corners pretty well these days, but it's after years and years of driving FWD Hondas. I don't have anywhere near the balls to push my RWD cars that hard. I don't know if I'll even get to that limit, ever, to be honest. I'm always scared the ass end will come out on me
I wish Honda would offer something even sticker - like Michelin Sport Cup 2 or Pirelli Trofeo R as optional tires. The Focus RS uses the former tires to generate some big numbers, even though the wear rate sucks.
#4648
Haha, I'm pretty sure if Honda wanted to, they can make the Civic oversteer too. My Civic EK hatch would do that (spun 360 a couple times on track day lol).
I wish Honda would offer something even sticker - like Michelin Sport Cup 2 or Pirelli Trofeo R as optional tires. The Focus RS uses the former tires to generate some big numbers, even though the wear rate sucks.
I wish Honda would offer something even sticker - like Michelin Sport Cup 2 or Pirelli Trofeo R as optional tires. The Focus RS uses the former tires to generate some big numbers, even though the wear rate sucks.
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To be honest, it was the first track day for the Civic, so the settings were probably not right. The front end had more grip then the back, that's why it would oversteer. I totally didn't expect that and didn't catch it fast enough and thus I spun out....
#4650
Haha, I'm pretty sure if Honda wanted to, they can make the Civic oversteer too. My Civic EK hatch would do that (spun 360 a couple times on track day lol).
I wish Honda would offer something even sticker - like Michelin Sport Cup 2 or Pirelli Trofeo R as optional tires. The Focus RS uses the former tires to generate some big numbers, even though the wear rate sucks.
I wish Honda would offer something even sticker - like Michelin Sport Cup 2 or Pirelli Trofeo R as optional tires. The Focus RS uses the former tires to generate some big numbers, even though the wear rate sucks.
Agreed, it would be nice if they offered it with the Sport Cups or something really sticky from the factory.
#4651
I'd personally learn the car on the junk tires first, and then likely pull them off by the end of the summer and sell them. Take that money and put them towards tires I actually want and have fresh rubber for the next year of summer driving.
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For sure, having too much grip sometimes isn't the most fun, Car and Driver tried that with the Focus RS equipped with the optional Sport Cup 2 tires and came to that conclusion:
2016 Ford Focus RS Tested with Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 Tires ? Review ? Car and Driver
And we've seen how the BRZ and FRS are equipped with Prius tires but are fun to drive.
I didn't meant to say that Honda should offer these semi-slick tires as standard tires. My point is that, if Honda is chasing the Nurburgring lap record, the easiest way is to offer these track tires as an option.
On the other hand, if the CTR can still set a record with its standard tires, that would be pretty darn amazing.
2016 Ford Focus RS Tested with Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 Tires ? Review ? Car and Driver
And we've seen how the BRZ and FRS are equipped with Prius tires but are fun to drive.
I didn't meant to say that Honda should offer these semi-slick tires as standard tires. My point is that, if Honda is chasing the Nurburgring lap record, the easiest way is to offer these track tires as an option.
On the other hand, if the CTR can still set a record with its standard tires, that would be pretty darn amazing.
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#4655
They keep limiting the Si to 205hp... It was the same with the K24 powered Si.
No matter, though. 192lbft from 2100rpm and onwards will make this a noticeably faster car than the K24 powered Si.
that, and an aftermarket tune/chip will likely pull at least 50hp out of this thing.
I like what Honda is doing with the civic these days... And still leaves plenty of aftermarket fun for enthusiasts to extract more power. Yeehaa!
No matter, though. 192lbft from 2100rpm and onwards will make this a noticeably faster car than the K24 powered Si.
that, and an aftermarket tune/chip will likely pull at least 50hp out of this thing.
I like what Honda is doing with the civic these days... And still leaves plenty of aftermarket fun for enthusiasts to extract more power. Yeehaa!
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The only concern is that it uses the 1.5T engine instead of the 2.0T from the CTR. The likes of Focus ST, WRX, and GTI are all using 2.0T. The 1.5T Civic Si might be competitive stock vs stock as it's most likely going to be quite a bit lighter, but if aftermarket tuning potential is a consideration, I don't think the 1.5T can compete.
With that said, the Si looks much more subtle than the Type R, and large enough brakes, optional summer tires, adaptive suspension, and LSD. I'm eager to see how it does on a track. Not sure if you guys read it yet, but the Civic Sport Hatch just won a comparo in C/D against Golf SE and Mazda 3:
2017 Honda Civic Hatchback vs. Chevy Cruze, Mazda 3, VW Golf | Comparison Test | Car and Driver
The handling and braking figures are particular impressive for a non Si/Type R model with all season rubber. For instance, it can pull 0.93g, maintains 44mph for a 610ft slalom, and stops from 70mph to 0mph in 160ft. Those figures are comparable to the Focus RS, WRX ST, and Golf R, all of which have max performance summer tires:
2016 Ford Focus RS vs. 2015 Subaru WRX STI, 2016 Volkswagen Golf R: Final Scoring, Performance Data, and Complete Specs
With that said, the Si looks much more subtle than the Type R, and large enough brakes, optional summer tires, adaptive suspension, and LSD. I'm eager to see how it does on a track. Not sure if you guys read it yet, but the Civic Sport Hatch just won a comparo in C/D against Golf SE and Mazda 3:
2017 Honda Civic Hatchback vs. Chevy Cruze, Mazda 3, VW Golf | Comparison Test | Car and Driver
The handling and braking figures are particular impressive for a non Si/Type R model with all season rubber. For instance, it can pull 0.93g, maintains 44mph for a 610ft slalom, and stops from 70mph to 0mph in 160ft. Those figures are comparable to the Focus RS, WRX ST, and Golf R, all of which have max performance summer tires:
2016 Ford Focus RS vs. 2015 Subaru WRX STI, 2016 Volkswagen Golf R: Final Scoring, Performance Data, and Complete Specs
#4659
Unlike previous gens when there was no Sport trim for the regular Civic, depends on the price, it would be more challenging to go with the Si when Civic Hatch Sport offers almost just as much...
I can't even tell any difference between the SI and the Sport as far as exterior goes.
I can't even tell any difference between the SI and the Sport as far as exterior goes.
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Unlike previous gens when there was no Sport trim for the regular Civic, depends on the price, it would be more challenging to go with the Si when Civic Hatch Sport offers almost just as much...
I can't even tell any difference between the SI and the Sport as far as exterior goes.
I can't even tell any difference between the SI and the Sport as far as exterior goes.
#4664
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/hot...urgring-record
Sceptics of Nürburgring lap times, avert your eyes: another record has tumbled. With much fanfare – though arguably little surprise – the Honda Civic Type R is the fastest front-wheel-drive car around the Nordschleife.
By being crowned as such, it continues what’s become a fiercely fought and frequently changing battle for hot hatchback supremacy. Ever since the Leon Cupra took FWD below the eight minute mark, Seat, Volkswagen, Renault and Honda have been transferring the trophy between each other’s mantelpieces seemingly every few months.
With a 7 minute 43.8 second lap time, the new 316bhp Civic Type R has taken over three seconds out of the outgoing champion, the VW Golf GTI Clubsport S.
Full details and specs of the new Honda Civic Type R. The lap can be seen above
Honda snaffled the record on April 3, as part of the latest Type R’s development programme. As well as taking several seconds out of its rival, the new fast Civic also lapped the Nordschleife almost seven seconds quicker than the previous Civic Type R. While the new Civic is a mere 10bhp up on before, its wider track and more hardcore chassis have seriously upped its cornering speeds, according to Honda.
You may recall the controversy surrounding its forebear’s record, which saw a Civic stripped of its back seats and officially wearing prototype status take the ‘Ring record at the time. Well, don’t think things are any simpler here.
“The development car that achieved the lap time was technically representative of production specification,” says Honda. “A full floating roll cage was installed for safety reasons, but its presence did not provide any additional rigidity to the body frame.
“The extra weight of the cage was compensated for by the temporary removal of the infotainment system and rear seats. The car was using road legal track-focused tyres.”
So, the back seats have once again been swapped for a roll cage, boosting safety but – apparently – providing no weight or strength benefits. Such nuances arguably have nothing on the effects of different drivers, temperatures and weather conditions, mind. Perhaps a properly organised shootout is what we really need…
Do you agree? Or are you delighted for Honda, and popping the kettle on for a congratulatory brew as we speak?
By being crowned as such, it continues what’s become a fiercely fought and frequently changing battle for hot hatchback supremacy. Ever since the Leon Cupra took FWD below the eight minute mark, Seat, Volkswagen, Renault and Honda have been transferring the trophy between each other’s mantelpieces seemingly every few months.
With a 7 minute 43.8 second lap time, the new 316bhp Civic Type R has taken over three seconds out of the outgoing champion, the VW Golf GTI Clubsport S.
Full details and specs of the new Honda Civic Type R. The lap can be seen above
Honda snaffled the record on April 3, as part of the latest Type R’s development programme. As well as taking several seconds out of its rival, the new fast Civic also lapped the Nordschleife almost seven seconds quicker than the previous Civic Type R. While the new Civic is a mere 10bhp up on before, its wider track and more hardcore chassis have seriously upped its cornering speeds, according to Honda.
You may recall the controversy surrounding its forebear’s record, which saw a Civic stripped of its back seats and officially wearing prototype status take the ‘Ring record at the time. Well, don’t think things are any simpler here.
“The development car that achieved the lap time was technically representative of production specification,” says Honda. “A full floating roll cage was installed for safety reasons, but its presence did not provide any additional rigidity to the body frame.
“The extra weight of the cage was compensated for by the temporary removal of the infotainment system and rear seats. The car was using road legal track-focused tyres.”
So, the back seats have once again been swapped for a roll cage, boosting safety but – apparently – providing no weight or strength benefits. Such nuances arguably have nothing on the effects of different drivers, temperatures and weather conditions, mind. Perhaps a properly organised shootout is what we really need…
Do you agree? Or are you delighted for Honda, and popping the kettle on for a congratulatory brew as we speak?
#4666
If only I were 16 again
Even thought everything might be functional, it's just too much. I could never pull up to work in something like this and not endure being laughed at for the rest of my career. By the end of the day, the average person doesn't care how functional everything is... it still looks ridiculous.
Even thought everything might be functional, it's just too much. I could never pull up to work in something like this and not endure being laughed at for the rest of my career. By the end of the day, the average person doesn't care how functional everything is... it still looks ridiculous.
#4667
1. No, it does not resemble a factory whatsoever. They sell the CTR as a track focused car, yet have to modify it for the track? C'mon. You know they did it just to grab some sort of title.
2. If I'm paying that much for a Civic, I care more about smiles per mile, as opposed to lap times around a track I will never take the car on anyway.
#4671
Reliability?
Not saying your ST isn't reliable, or hasn't been reliable... But ford's overall reliability is still shit, even if Honda's has dropped over the years.
thats about it, really. The power increase the RS has over the CTR = meh. It has higher drivetrain losses, so overall, they're likely putting down the same power. Drift mode is pretty gangster though. It is sooooo easy to drift an AWD car. That, and the RS doesn't look like it just stepped out of a Pep Boys sale.
If I was in the market, I would strongly look at all options in that segment. CTR, RS, Golf R, STi... The paper specs really don't interest me all that much... I mean, they're all pretty awesome and overall pretty similar. It's how it feels to drive is what would be my number one concern. Followed by ownership costs.
Not saying your ST isn't reliable, or hasn't been reliable... But ford's overall reliability is still shit, even if Honda's has dropped over the years.
thats about it, really. The power increase the RS has over the CTR = meh. It has higher drivetrain losses, so overall, they're likely putting down the same power. Drift mode is pretty gangster though. It is sooooo easy to drift an AWD car. That, and the RS doesn't look like it just stepped out of a Pep Boys sale.
If I was in the market, I would strongly look at all options in that segment. CTR, RS, Golf R, STi... The paper specs really don't interest me all that much... I mean, they're all pretty awesome and overall pretty similar. It's how it feels to drive is what would be my number one concern. Followed by ownership costs.
#4672
There are only a few things they needed to win me over. If the interior were less gaudy (this, coming from a guy who was okay with a 4th gen F-Body interior), ditched those tacky black plastic chingaderas underneath the tail lights, and did the Type-R treatment to the sedan, I would have been all about it. FWD wasn't the dealbreaker, it was the strange hatch shape that did it for me.
#4673
Reliability?
Not saying your ST isn't reliable, or hasn't been reliable... But ford's overall reliability is still shit, even if Honda's has dropped over the years.
thats about it, really. The power increase the RS has over the CTR = meh. It has higher drivetrain losses, so overall, they're likely putting down the same power. Drift mode is pretty gangster though. It is sooooo easy to drift an AWD car. That, and the RS doesn't look like it just stepped out of a Pep Boys sale.
If I was in the market, I would strongly look at all options in that segment. CTR, RS, Golf R, STi... The paper specs really don't interest me all that much... I mean, they're all pretty awesome and overall pretty similar. It's how it feels to drive is what would be my number one concern. Followed by ownership costs.
Not saying your ST isn't reliable, or hasn't been reliable... But ford's overall reliability is still shit, even if Honda's has dropped over the years.
thats about it, really. The power increase the RS has over the CTR = meh. It has higher drivetrain losses, so overall, they're likely putting down the same power. Drift mode is pretty gangster though. It is sooooo easy to drift an AWD car. That, and the RS doesn't look like it just stepped out of a Pep Boys sale.
If I was in the market, I would strongly look at all options in that segment. CTR, RS, Golf R, STi... The paper specs really don't interest me all that much... I mean, they're all pretty awesome and overall pretty similar. It's how it feels to drive is what would be my number one concern. Followed by ownership costs.
#4676
#4679
I love the car. If it's in the same price range with STi Limited and FoRS and Golf R.
I would choose this car over all those choices for sure.
I track my car and will always track. From personal experience from my track group, Focus RS overheat after a couple hard laps especially in the rear diff which makes it a FWD drive only car. So don't think calling a CTR a Fail Wheel Drive would be a bit oxymoron.
I would choose this car over all those choices for sure.
I track my car and will always track. From personal experience from my track group, Focus RS overheat after a couple hard laps especially in the rear diff which makes it a FWD drive only car. So don't think calling a CTR a Fail Wheel Drive would be a bit oxymoron.
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