Honda: Accord Crosstour News **2012 Model Info (page 11)**
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"Because wagons don't sell in the US"
Same silly reasons we have a 1 series here now, but not the hatch version offered in Europe. The 318t was a bomb (because it did indeed suck) and so now BMW forever thinks Hatches dont sell in the US.
What the companies never do is look at the used market. How accord wagons are sought after.
Its pure silliness.
That said. I quite like what I'm seeing. Not a huge fan of the Venza.
Same silly reasons we have a 1 series here now, but not the hatch version offered in Europe. The 318t was a bomb (because it did indeed suck) and so now BMW forever thinks Hatches dont sell in the US.
What the companies never do is look at the used market. How accord wagons are sought after.
Its pure silliness.
That said. I quite like what I'm seeing. Not a huge fan of the Venza.
#42
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"Because wagons don't sell in the US"
Same silly reasons we have a 1 series here now, but not the hatch version offered in Europe. The 318t was a bomb (because it did indeed suck) and so now BMW forever thinks Hatches dont sell in the US.
What the companies never do is look at the used market. How accord wagons are sought after.
Its pure silliness.
That said. I quite like what I'm seeing. Not a huge fan of the Venza.
Same silly reasons we have a 1 series here now, but not the hatch version offered in Europe. The 318t was a bomb (because it did indeed suck) and so now BMW forever thinks Hatches dont sell in the US.
What the companies never do is look at the used market. How accord wagons are sought after.
Its pure silliness.
That said. I quite like what I'm seeing. Not a huge fan of the Venza.
Mazda 3, Rabbit, GTI, Fit, xb, Versa, Matrix/Vibe,...etc....pretty good sellers IMHO.
The hatch is a seller in the U.S.....if done right.
The same can be for a wagon....if done right.
It's time for the Automakers to bite the bullet and ditch the CUV and go straight to the wagon. This is not your parents wagon we are talking about here. Give the people a sport wagon...and they will buy it.
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I'm sure BMW thinks hatches sell.....MINI :wink:
Mazda 3, Rabbit, GTI, Fit, xb, Versa, Matrix/Vibe,...etc....pretty good sellers IMHO.
The hatch is a seller in the U.S.....if done right.
The same can be for a wagon....if done right.
It's time for the Automakers to bite the bullet and ditch the CUV and go straight to the wagon. This is not your parents wagon we are talking about here. Give the people a sport wagon...and they will buy it.
Mazda 3, Rabbit, GTI, Fit, xb, Versa, Matrix/Vibe,...etc....pretty good sellers IMHO.
The hatch is a seller in the U.S.....if done right.
The same can be for a wagon....if done right.
It's time for the Automakers to bite the bullet and ditch the CUV and go straight to the wagon. This is not your parents wagon we are talking about here. Give the people a sport wagon...and they will buy it.
Its silly corporate mentalities and "studies." BS bottom line accounting and bad attempts at guessing what the public wants.
The 318t failed cause it was a POS and shit design...not because the US doesnt like hatchbacks. ETC ETC ETC.
#44
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You missed the point. I agree with you.
Its silly corporate mentalities and "studies." BS bottom line accounting and bad attempts at guessing what the public wants.
The 318t failed cause it was a POS and shit design...not because the US doesnt like hatchbacks. ETC ETC ETC.
Its silly corporate mentalities and "studies." BS bottom line accounting and bad attempts at guessing what the public wants.
The 318t failed cause it was a POS and shit design...not because the US doesnt like hatchbacks. ETC ETC ETC.
#45
Drifting
I think this thing is HOT!
If this thing is an Acura, and it has SH-AWD, then there is no reason why I will need to look at the A4 Avant anymore, problem solved!!! :-)
If this thing is an Acura, and it has SH-AWD, then there is no reason why I will need to look at the A4 Avant anymore, problem solved!!! :-)
#49
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Spied Again
The mid-size crossover/wagon segment continues to be one of the fastest growing in the auto industry, with Honda set to soon join the crowd. Not wanting to let Toyota steal all the limelight with its all-new Venza, Honda is preparing to launch a new CUV based on the Accord.
At first glance, this vehicle may look like nothing more than the European Honda Accord Tourer. Closer inspection reveals that is not the case. For starters, the U.S. market Honda Accord front end has been grafted onto the body. While most of the body on this mule is non-production, this front end may actually be close to the final design of the nose we see on the production CUV.
We can also see fender flares that have been tacked onto the body and covered with tape that matches the color of the paint. These flares indicate that the wheel track has been widened slightly. Looking directly behind the rear doors, it quickly becomes apparent that a few extra inches of sheet metal and glass have been added to the body, suggesting the final product will be a few inches longer than the current European Accord Tourer. This development vehicle is also riding higher than a standard Accord Tourer and actually resembles and Audi Allroad in person.
Based on the Honda Accord chassis, this all-new crossover vehicle will start production in the fourth quarter of 2009 at the Marysville or East Liberty factory. The Accord CUV will slot in-between CR-V and Pilot and will look to do battle with Toyota’s new Venza CUV.
Powertrains are not yet known, but the motors currently found in the USDM Accord seem like a safe bet. We observed this mule testing alongside an Acura RDX. We also noted this mule accelerated rather briskly, so the 2.3L, four-cylinder turbo motor from the RDX may have a chance of making it into the Accord CUV.
One thing we can say for sure about this vehicle is that AWD will be an option. A close look at this prototype reveals that it has a rear differential. More than likely, this means the car has Honda’s VTM-4 AWD system.
“Latitude” is one name rumored for the badge on the back of this new CUV. Though that now seems less likely as Honda allowed that trademark to expire many months ago.
No official word from Honda as of yet, but the Accord-based CUV could debut at next month’s Chicago Auto Show.
#50
Pro
If they keep the Accord design, I have to say that it's unimaginative and ugly.
I hope it offers optional 3rd row, so it serve could as a nice middle ground between CR-V and Pilot. I'll buy it.
I hope it offers optional 3rd row, so it serve could as a nice middle ground between CR-V and Pilot. I'll buy it.
#52
I test drove the Venza AWD V6 a few days ago. It drives like a car but has some center deadness in the steering. There's lots of interior room... to much in fact. From the driver's seat, it feels like you're in a van and I didn't like it.
I'll wait to see how this Honda turns out.
I'll wait to see how this Honda turns out.
#53
The sizzle in the Steak
#54
I just don't understand why they even bothered to jack it up to make it a cross-over. The thing looks like it has more ground clearance than a sedan, but just enough to traverse a tall curb. And with a long wheelbase and long front overhang, this thing isn't any better than even the car-based CUVs like the CR-V should you need to leave the asphalt for one split second.
#55
Drifting
I like this a lot! I like wagons and sadly there are not that many choices around. I hope that this would be an Acura product so that there will be the luxury touch that I want.... but I suspect that this really will be a Honda.... sigh....
#56
I think the only people nervous about this is Subaru, they're the only ones making jacked up station wagons for the mass, and the Honda will definitely undercut it in price. Volvo and Audi are out of the budget.
#57
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Meh, I don't think it's that bad. It'll be good for families who want a little extra space but don't want/need an SUV. Heck, I'd get one if I had some baby LuvMyTSXs running around.
The Accord Tourer would be my top choice, though, if it were sold here as an Acura.
The Accord Tourer would be my top choice, though, if it were sold here as an Acura.
#58
The sizzle in the Steak
#59
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Powertrains are not yet known, but the motors currently found in the USDM Accord seem like a safe bet. We observed this mule testing alongside an Acura RDX. We also noted this mule accelerated rather briskly, so the 2.3L, four-cylinder turbo motor from the RDX may have a chance of making it into the Accord CUV.
#60
The sizzle in the Steak
No way the turbo 4 is in that car.
It will come with the standard 4 & 6cyl accord engines.
It will come with the standard 4 & 6cyl accord engines.
#61
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#62
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the windows in the new CUV look a bit smaller than those in the euro accord, maybe honda's going for that dodge magnum look aka the jacked up station wagon.
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#67
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Not sure what to think just yet. Not really liking the sunk in look to the rear hatch. The grey one looks down right bad from the rear.
And with that slopping roof line, it doesn't look like utility was their greatest concern.
And with that slopping roof line, it doesn't look like utility was their greatest concern.
#69
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I don't mind it, but will wait to reserve judgment until I can see more details. It surely looks better than the Venza, which I think is downright butt ugly (hate the grille). Utility will be minimal, though, with that sloped rear.
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#74
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Prefer the test mule photos from TOV over the current photos. Not sure if the angle of the newer shots being taken ... or the huge C-pillar blind spot that the current spy shots vehicle has.
Will this compete with the Toyota Venza? (or whatever that Toyota product is called) If so, I think the Venza has better style points than this Honda. (Well, with the pics we have so far ...)
Will this compete with the Toyota Venza? (or whatever that Toyota product is called) If so, I think the Venza has better style points than this Honda. (Well, with the pics we have so far ...)
#76
The sizzle in the Steak
What a mis-match of odd design elements!! Front Side and Rear just don't flow at all.
Honda: Designed By Committee
Honda: Designed By Committee
#77
The sizzle in the Steak
#79
The sizzle in the Steak
"Crosstour" early info.
Not wanting to let Toyota steal all the limelight with its all-new Venza, Honda is preparing to launch a new CUV based on the Accord. Called the Crosstour, a series of early spy photos released elsewhere this morning have incited a full-boil debate among Honda enthusiasts as to whether the Crosstour shares its platform with the upcoming Acura ZDX. The answer? Nope.
While the current economic climate may seem ripe for rebadging, that won’t be the case with Honda’s new CUV duo.
The 2010 Honda Crosstour will be riding on a modified version of the Honda Accord chassis. This should come as no surprise as months and months of rumors of an “Accord-based” CUV have circulated the Internet. What most fans of Honda may not have guessed is that the 2010 Acura ZDX crossover will be riding on the chassis used by the Acura MDX and Honda Pilot.
Baring any delays, production of the Crosstour is currently slated to start in September at Honda’s East Liberty, Ohio, plant. The ZDX should start rolling down the line at the Alliston, Ontario, plant in August.
Spy photos depict a mule - not the production model
At first glance, the vehicle in our spy photos of the a test mule may look like nothing more than the European Honda Accord Tourer. Closer inspection reveals that is not the case. For starters, a U.S. market Honda Accord front end has been grafted onto the body. The production Crosstour will likely feature a similar snout, but it won’t be quite identical to the Accord’s, as we can see on the photos nabbed by a VWVortex user.
We can also see fender flares that have been tacked onto the body and covered with tape that matches the color of the paint. These flares indicate that the wheel track has been widened slightly. Looking directly behind the rear doors, it quickly becomes apparent that a few extra inches of sheet metal and glass have been added to the body, suggesting the final product will be a few inches longer than the current European Accord Tourer. This development vehicle is also riding higher than a standard Accord Tourer and actually resembles and Audi allroad in person.
The production car will lose the wagon-like tail and instead feature a long, sloping hatchback more akin to the Toyota Prius. A long rear overhangand bulging bumper on the production car will seem at odds with the more restrained nose.
The Crosstour will slot in-between CR-V and Pilot and will look to do battle with Toyota’s new Venza CUV.
Powertrains are not yet known, but the motors currently found in the North American Accord seem like a safe bet. We observed this mule testing alongside an Acura RDX and we also noted this mule accelerated rather briskly, so the 2.3-liter, four-cylinder turbo motor from the RDX may have a chance of making it into the Accord CUV.
One thing we can say for sure about this vehicle is that AWD will be an option. A close look at this prototype reveals that it has a rear differential. More than likely, this means the car has Honda’s VTM-4 AWD system
While the current economic climate may seem ripe for rebadging, that won’t be the case with Honda’s new CUV duo.
The 2010 Honda Crosstour will be riding on a modified version of the Honda Accord chassis. This should come as no surprise as months and months of rumors of an “Accord-based” CUV have circulated the Internet. What most fans of Honda may not have guessed is that the 2010 Acura ZDX crossover will be riding on the chassis used by the Acura MDX and Honda Pilot.
Baring any delays, production of the Crosstour is currently slated to start in September at Honda’s East Liberty, Ohio, plant. The ZDX should start rolling down the line at the Alliston, Ontario, plant in August.
Spy photos depict a mule - not the production model
At first glance, the vehicle in our spy photos of the a test mule may look like nothing more than the European Honda Accord Tourer. Closer inspection reveals that is not the case. For starters, a U.S. market Honda Accord front end has been grafted onto the body. The production Crosstour will likely feature a similar snout, but it won’t be quite identical to the Accord’s, as we can see on the photos nabbed by a VWVortex user.
We can also see fender flares that have been tacked onto the body and covered with tape that matches the color of the paint. These flares indicate that the wheel track has been widened slightly. Looking directly behind the rear doors, it quickly becomes apparent that a few extra inches of sheet metal and glass have been added to the body, suggesting the final product will be a few inches longer than the current European Accord Tourer. This development vehicle is also riding higher than a standard Accord Tourer and actually resembles and Audi allroad in person.
The production car will lose the wagon-like tail and instead feature a long, sloping hatchback more akin to the Toyota Prius. A long rear overhangand bulging bumper on the production car will seem at odds with the more restrained nose.
The Crosstour will slot in-between CR-V and Pilot and will look to do battle with Toyota’s new Venza CUV.
Powertrains are not yet known, but the motors currently found in the North American Accord seem like a safe bet. We observed this mule testing alongside an Acura RDX and we also noted this mule accelerated rather briskly, so the 2.3-liter, four-cylinder turbo motor from the RDX may have a chance of making it into the Accord CUV.
One thing we can say for sure about this vehicle is that AWD will be an option. A close look at this prototype reveals that it has a rear differential. More than likely, this means the car has Honda’s VTM-4 AWD system
#80
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The link you just posted even says
The production car will lose the wagon-like tail and instead feature a long, sloping hatchback more akin to the Toyota Prius. A long rear overhangand bulging bumper on the production car will seem at odds with the more restrained nose.