Genesis: GV80 News
10-29-2020, 09:42 PM
#121
he says range of 350. The Range included the reserve
when TSX low fuel light comes. it says distance to empty about 50 mile. now if completely consume that 50 mile and range distance to empty is zero. it take 17.5 gallons. with 1 gallon left minimum.
there is no such thing as three gallon left when range is zero.
X5 Plug in starts at $65K. Around $75k+ loaded can be found plenty in inventory. The point is it is wrong to say Genesis is cheap than competition.https://www.bmwoffremont.com/new/BMW/2021-BMW-X5+PHEV-e82e58fd0a0d0cc779e51e6a81321e4c.htm
when TSX low fuel light comes. it says distance to empty about 50 mile. now if completely consume that 50 mile and range distance to empty is zero. it take 17.5 gallons. with 1 gallon left minimum.
there is no such thing as three gallon left when range is zero.
X5 Plug in starts at $65K. Around $75k+ loaded can be found plenty in inventory. The point is it is wrong to say Genesis is cheap than competition.
https://www.bmwoffremont.com/new/BMW/2021-BMW-X5+PHEV-e82e58fd0a0d0cc779e51e6a81321e4c.htm
Lease: $789 per month for 36 months. $4,999 due at signing for select 2021 BMW X5 PHEV xDrive45e
Included Packages & Options
- M Sport Package$5,500
- Wheels: 20" x 9" M Star-Spoke Bi-Color
- Without Lines Designation Outside
- High-Gloss Shadowline Roof Rails
- Show All Package Items
- Premium Package$2,550
- 4-Zone Automatic Climate Control
- Head-Up Display
- harman/kardon Surround Sound System
- Show All Package Items
- Driving Assistance Professional Package$1,700
- Extended Traffic Jam Assistant
- Active Driving Assistant Pro
- Parking Assistance Package$800
- Parking Assistant Plus
- Drive Recorder
- Active Park Distance Control
- Show All Package Items
- Rear Manual Side Window Shades$250
- Multi-Contour Seats$750
- Front & Rear Heated Seats$350
- M Sport Brakes w/Blue Calipers$650
- Heated Front Seats, Armrests & Steering Wheel$250
10-31-2020, 12:14 AM
#122
Dealers are wary in investing in dealership even with incentives.
https://jalopnik.com/hyundai-genesis...rad-1845456257
But dealers and corporate don’t see eye to eye. Dealers don’t think the investments are worth it and don’t feel new vehicle sales have rebounded enough for them to make costly upgrades to dealer facilities, facilities that many customers are still wary to visit in the first place. Hyundai feels differently; speaking to Automotive News, Hyundai America CEO Jose Muņoz feels sales are at a good enough level for dealerships to make the changes:Muņoz also pointed out another important reason dealers need to get on board with these programs: the next step in the program involves bringing up sales and service customer scores (something they need to get Kia to work on as well) which are well known to be pretty bad.
Not only do dealers feel rushed since the programs were just only announced back in March, but some dealers are saying that the practices in which Hyundai is enticing dealers to invest in their dealerships are misleading or downright coercive.
A dealership group based out of Florida called Braman Hyundai filed suit against Hyundai in August, alleging that Hyundai is engaging in deceptive practices regarding the dealership upgrades. It seems that this suit specifically has a problem with the Genesis upgrades.
Braman says that the Accelerate and Keystone programs are nothing more than incentive programs that work for dealers that play ball, and raises the prices of the cars for dealers that don’t. This all adds up to infighting and price undercutting between dealers. From the Law360:
This all has the potential to get nasty if it’s drawn out in court. But at the end of the day, it’s a storm of Hyundai’s own making. Debuting a new brand is hard. The pandemic complicated matters and made wary dealers even warier to invest millions in a brand that’s still in its infancy.
https://jalopnik.com/hyundai-genesis...rad-1845456257
But dealers and corporate don’t see eye to eye. Dealers don’t think the investments are worth it and don’t feel new vehicle sales have rebounded enough for them to make costly upgrades to dealer facilities, facilities that many customers are still wary to visit in the first place. Hyundai feels differently; speaking to Automotive News, Hyundai America CEO Jose Muņoz feels sales are at a good enough level for dealerships to make the changes:Muņoz also pointed out another important reason dealers need to get on board with these programs: the next step in the program involves bringing up sales and service customer scores (something they need to get Kia to work on as well) which are well known to be pretty bad.
Not only do dealers feel rushed since the programs were just only announced back in March, but some dealers are saying that the practices in which Hyundai is enticing dealers to invest in their dealerships are misleading or downright coercive.
A dealership group based out of Florida called Braman Hyundai filed suit against Hyundai in August, alleging that Hyundai is engaging in deceptive practices regarding the dealership upgrades. It seems that this suit specifically has a problem with the Genesis upgrades.
Braman says that the Accelerate and Keystone programs are nothing more than incentive programs that work for dealers that play ball, and raises the prices of the cars for dealers that don’t. This all adds up to infighting and price undercutting between dealers. From the Law360:
This all has the potential to get nasty if it’s drawn out in court. But at the end of the day, it’s a storm of Hyundai’s own making. Debuting a new brand is hard. The pandemic complicated matters and made wary dealers even warier to invest millions in a brand that’s still in its infancy.
11-03-2020, 03:46 PM
#123
Team Owner
Do you know how range is calculated? It is based on how the car was driven previously. The car is a test car... just how do you think the car was driven by all the testers and journalists? In Eco Mode and kept it under 65mph?
My car could show the range of 450 miles 1 week and 300 the next if i reset.
By the way... Try to drive when it shows 0 miles... i promise you wont stall for a while....
he says range of 350. The Range included the reserve
when TSX low fuel light comes. it says distance to empty about 50 mile. now if completely consume that 50 mile and range distance to empty is zero. it take 17.5 gallons. with 1 gallon left minimum.
there is no such thing as three gallon left when range is zero.
X5 Plug in starts at $65K. Around $75k+ loaded can be found plenty in inventory. The point is it is wrong to say Genesis is cheap than competition.https://www.bmwoffremont.com/new/BMW/2021-BMW-X5+PHEV-e82e58fd0a0d0cc779e51e6a81321e4c.htm
when TSX low fuel light comes. it says distance to empty about 50 mile. now if completely consume that 50 mile and range distance to empty is zero. it take 17.5 gallons. with 1 gallon left minimum.
there is no such thing as three gallon left when range is zero.
X5 Plug in starts at $65K. Around $75k+ loaded can be found plenty in inventory. The point is it is wrong to say Genesis is cheap than competition.
https://www.bmwoffremont.com/new/BMW/2021-BMW-X5+PHEV-e82e58fd0a0d0cc779e51e6a81321e4c.htm
Lease: $789 per month for 36 months. $4,999 due at signing for select 2021 BMW X5 PHEV xDrive45e
Included Packages & Options
- M Sport Package$5,500
- Wheels: 20" x 9" M Star-Spoke Bi-Color
- Without Lines Designation Outside
- High-Gloss Shadowline Roof Rails
- Show All Package Items
- Premium Package$2,550
- 4-Zone Automatic Climate Control
- Head-Up Display
- harman/kardon Surround Sound System
- Show All Package Items
- Driving Assistance Professional Package$1,700
- Extended Traffic Jam Assistant
- Active Driving Assistant Pro
- Parking Assistance Package$800
- Parking Assistant Plus
- Drive Recorder
- Active Park Distance Control
- Show All Package Items
- Rear Manual Side Window Shades$250
- Multi-Contour Seats$750
- Front & Rear Heated Seats$350
- M Sport Brakes w/Blue Calipers$650
- Heated Front Seats, Armrests & Steering Wheel$250
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11-03-2020, 03:49 PM
#124
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Thread Starter
My dad had a few pucker miles in an S550 in N NM/AZ. Going uphill, the car showed 0 range, start downhill & it'd pop up to 5-10 miles, in a pretty desolate stretch of highway. With some hypermiling & a prayer they spotted a gas station in the distance & it took nearly the full tank capacity to fill.
11-05-2020, 02:07 PM
#125
Do you know how range is calculated? It is based on how the car was driven previously.The car is a test car... just how do you think the car was driven by all the testers and journalists? In Eco Mode and kept it under 65mph?
My car could show the range of 450 miles 1 week and 300 the next if i reset.
By the way... Try to drive when it shows 0 miles... i promise you wont stall for a while....
Test drives are hardly done in gridlock city traffic. All the videos of test drives by reviewers are on traffice free roads most time.
It is the long range drives that make difference with more people or cargo loaded into it.
This vehicle is 6 inch taller than GV80 and dragging even taller a trailer.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-maintenance/
The standard 280-hp 3.5-liter V-6 pulls strongly for easy merging and passing on the highway as well as for towing trailers weighing up to the all-wheel-drive Passport's 5000-pound maximum rating. Straight-line acceleration improved at 40,000 miles versus when it was new, with 60 mph arriving a remarkable 0.4 seconds sooner, in 5.7 seconds. The Passport's 14.5-second quarter-mile pass also was 0.2 second quicker and 1 mph faster than during its first visit to the test track.The Passport's fuel economy over 40,000 miles averaged 21 mpg, which matches the EPA's combined estimate.
11-05-2020, 03:20 PM
#126
Team Owner
we all know what that J35 is and is not.... give it a rest...
11-06-2020, 11:29 AM
#127
i am still waiting for your video where reviewers test drives vehicles in city grid lock.
SUV effectiveness is measured by its tallness and range with cargo/towing.
do you see any chrome?
SUV effectiveness is measured by its tallness and range with cargo/towing.
do you see any chrome?
11-06-2020, 12:03 PM
#128
Ex-OEM King
I'd love to know what goes on in your head. There seems to be zero logic or line of thought. Almost as if you load a bunch of words into a shotgun and pull the trigger, whatever order they come out in is what you post.
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11-06-2020, 01:13 PM
#129
Team Owner
i am still waiting for your video where reviewers test drives vehicles in city grid lock.
SUV effectiveness is measured by its tallness and range with cargo/towing.
do you see any chrome?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q33JyAVsZIs
SUV effectiveness is measured by its tallness and range with cargo/towing.
do you see any chrome?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q33JyAVsZIs
I SAID THEY WERE TESTING THE CAR... do you know what Testing the car means? drive like a grandma? You dont need city grid lock to have lowered MPG.
11-06-2020, 02:15 PM
#130
Testing the car mean they are all oberving traffice laws and flow with traffic. it is not some testing on racing circuit. you just trying to find excuses for lower long range fuel economic of GV80. when reviewer Alex give it "C" score and other reviewer mentioned its poor fuel economic. If it was even remotely competitive for its segment. they wont be even bother to highlight it so much.
I also gave link review of another H/K group product reviewed (Telluride) by Edmunds. where fuel economic was specifically mentioned under load and acceleration.
These H/K group products have poor aerodynamics with atrocious ride quality (As mentioned by Motortrend review). They are now paying billions in warranty claims for engine reliability. thats why they are moving as fast as they can to electric. if they moving to electric so why bother so many new gasoline and diesel vehicles?. Yeh has completely disappeared from this discussion. She used to laugh at Honda with its J series engine. She does not even know that timing belt vehicles from Honda are more refined sound than timing coarse sound.
I also gave link review of another H/K group product reviewed (Telluride) by Edmunds. where fuel economic was specifically mentioned under load and acceleration.
These H/K group products have poor aerodynamics with atrocious ride quality (As mentioned by Motortrend review). They are now paying billions in warranty claims for engine reliability. thats why they are moving as fast as they can to electric. if they moving to electric so why bother so many new gasoline and diesel vehicles?. Yeh has completely disappeared from this discussion. She used to laugh at Honda with its J series engine. She does not even know that timing belt vehicles from Honda are more refined sound than timing coarse sound.
11-06-2020, 03:11 PM
#131
Team Owner
again... no one gives a shit about whether it is 16mpg or 20mpg... not the people who can afford the top trim of GV80... get that into your head please...
11-07-2020, 09:25 AM
#133
Ex-OEM King
11-08-2020, 10:15 PM
#134
thats your opinion again. it is still a discounted brand for people who want to save money. 16mpg is on long range. any load it will go further down. and that is premium fuel.
The actual discounted lux brand is Acura.
1st, being a solely FWD-based brand already designates Acura in being lower priced/discounted (which is why its ATP is $10k below that of Genesis, Lexus and even Infiniti; the delta with Genesis will only increase as GV80 and new G80 sales get going).
2nd, despite a lineup that is already lower-priced (with the lowest ATP among the lux brands), Acura has had to put heavy incentives to push metal (incentive spending as a % of ATP being up there with Buick and Infiniti).
Acura can't even fathom to compete in the flagship sedan segment (the RLX competed in the midsize segment price-wise) and even then had to abandon the segment due to the lack of interest from buyers.
The new TLX is now Acura's flagship sedan, but despite being larger than a # of midsize lux sedans, it's priced in the compact segment.
11-09-2020, 12:30 AM
#135
LMAO! !
The actual discounted lux brand is Acura.
1st, being a solely FWD-based brand already designates Acura in being lower priced/discounted (which is why its ATP is $10k below that of Genesis, Lexus and even Infiniti; the delta with Genesis will only increase as GV80 and new G80 sales get going).
2nd, despite a lineup that is already lower-priced (with the lowest ATP among the lux brands), Acura has had to put heavy incentives to push metal (incentive spending as a % of ATP being up there with Buick and Infiniti).
Acura can't even fathom to compete in the flagship sedan segment (the RLX competed in the midsize segment price-wise) and even then had to abandon the segment due to the lack of interest from buyers.
The new TLX is now Acura's flagship sedan, but despite being larger than a # of midsize lux sedans, it's priced in the compact segment.
The actual discounted lux brand is Acura.
1st, being a solely FWD-based brand already designates Acura in being lower priced/discounted (which is why its ATP is $10k below that of Genesis, Lexus and even Infiniti; the delta with Genesis will only increase as GV80 and new G80 sales get going).
2nd, despite a lineup that is already lower-priced (with the lowest ATP among the lux brands), Acura has had to put heavy incentives to push metal (incentive spending as a % of ATP being up there with Buick and Infiniti).
Acura can't even fathom to compete in the flagship sedan segment (the RLX competed in the midsize segment price-wise) and even then had to abandon the segment due to the lack of interest from buyers.
The new TLX is now Acura's flagship sedan, but despite being larger than a # of midsize lux sedans, it's priced in the compact segment.
your Genesis brand cannot even sell 1000 vehicles a month. despite factories not even shut down in Korea.
Dealers not even want to invest in dealership. Totally worthless brand. I will keep you posted every month on this thread.
11-09-2020, 11:44 AM
#136
Ex-OEM King
11-09-2020, 03:23 PM
#137
It is not a imported sedan. Try look at BMW 5 series prices in Europe where it is not import brand. Honda CRV sells higher price than BMW 5. Acura TLX is on another level.
your Genesis brand cannot even sell 1000 vehicles a month. despite factories not even shut down in Korea.
Dealers not even want to invest in dealership. Totally worthless brand. I will keep you posted every month on this thread.
your Genesis brand cannot even sell 1000 vehicles a month. despite factories not even shut down in Korea.
Dealers not even want to invest in dealership. Totally worthless brand. I will keep you posted every month on this thread.
It doesn't matter whether it is imported or not; what matters is if the end product can command the pricing.
All the BMW crossovers are built in South Carolina and the GLE and GLS (and the coupe variants) are built in Alabama.
But despite that, they are priced considerably higher than the MDX.
The Q5 is built in Mexico, but despite that, Audi prices it accordingly to its German competition (with a slight discount for being FWD-based).
The Aviator is built in Illinois, but starts considerably higher than the MDX - $51k to start and the very top trim approaches $90k.
The MDX starts at $44.5k and only goes up to the low $60k.
And for the umpteenth time, why can't you get the notion thru your thick skull that Genesis will be making a sales push when the GV80 and new G80 launch?
In fact, it will take months of sales for Genesis to work thru the pre-orders for the GV80, of which 65% are for the TTV6.
And what Genesis sells in Korea, alone, is more profitable than what Acura does in NA.
And there are plenty of Genesis franchises that are willing to invest the tens of millions for a stand-alone store.
The problem is the smaller, less capital-infused dealerships who want to get away with not having to make such an investment, but get to reap the benefit of Genesis sales.
These are the same dealerships who sued Hyundai when they were excluded from getting a Genesis franchise.
The original plan was for a Genesis dealership network of around 150 stores (all stand-alone), but Genesis had to abandon that when the dealerships who were excluded sued, and instead around 450 dealerships got a Genesis franchise.
Way more than what Genesis wanted
Genesis is more than happy to thin the herd to those dealers that are willing to make the investment.
Last edited by YEH; 11-09-2020 at 03:36 PM.
11-09-2020, 05:32 PM
#138
Why do you have the awful habit of regurgitating already debunked excuses?
It doesn't matter whether it is imported or not; what matters is if the end product can command the pricing.
All the BMW crossovers are built in South Carolina and the GLE and GLS (and the coupe variants) are built in Alabama.
It doesn't matter whether it is imported or not; what matters is if the end product can command the pricing.
All the BMW crossovers are built in South Carolina and the GLE and GLS (and the coupe variants) are built in Alabama.
But despite that, they are priced considerably higher than the MDX.
German/EU has very different relationship with US than Japan.
11-10-2020, 02:47 PM
#139
^ Hilarious that the DUMBEST one here is calling others stupid... LMAO!
The cost of R&D is spread out and didn't I give the example of the Aviator?
Gee, wonder where the R&D for the Aviator is done?
More of the Aviator's R&D is done in the US than for the MDX, and yet the Aviator starts at a good bit higher price-point and at the top-end, ends much higher.
We can even take out the whole RWD vs FWD price delta and look at the Cadillac XT6 - which starts at $52.7k for the FWD NA V6, compared to $44.5k for the FWD MDX, and the Cadillac goes up considerably higher in pricing than the MDX.
That's an $8.2k price delta - which is huge at this price-point.
Plus, in the case of the Mexican-built Q5, the drastically lower wages there more than makes up for any differential in the cost of R&D.
And on top of that, a # of Buick models not only had their R&D done in Europe, but were also built there, and yet, they were priced below that of comparable Acura models.
You talk a big talk, but that only makes you look like a bigger FOOL than you already are (which is difficult to do).
It's going to take Genesis months to get through the pre-orders (even if only half results in sales), and a whopping 65% is for the higher 3.5TT engine - which starts at over $59k.
The cost of R&D is spread out and didn't I give the example of the Aviator?
Gee, wonder where the R&D for the Aviator is done?
More of the Aviator's R&D is done in the US than for the MDX, and yet the Aviator starts at a good bit higher price-point and at the top-end, ends much higher.
We can even take out the whole RWD vs FWD price delta and look at the Cadillac XT6 - which starts at $52.7k for the FWD NA V6, compared to $44.5k for the FWD MDX, and the Cadillac goes up considerably higher in pricing than the MDX.
That's an $8.2k price delta - which is huge at this price-point.
Plus, in the case of the Mexican-built Q5, the drastically lower wages there more than makes up for any differential in the cost of R&D.
And on top of that, a # of Buick models not only had their R&D done in Europe, but were also built there, and yet, they were priced below that of comparable Acura models.
You talk a big talk, but that only makes you look like a bigger FOOL than you already are (which is difficult to do).
It's going to take Genesis months to get through the pre-orders (even if only half results in sales), and a whopping 65% is for the higher 3.5TT engine - which starts at over $59k.
Last edited by YEH; 11-10-2020 at 02:53 PM.
11-10-2020, 04:45 PM
#140
^ Hilarious that the DUMBEST one here is calling others stupid... LMAO!
The cost of R&D is spread out and didn't I give the example of the Aviator?
Gee, wonder where the R&D for the Aviator is done?
More of the Aviator's R&D is done in the US than for the MDX, and yet the Aviator starts at a good bit higher price-point and at the top-end, ends much higher.
We can even take out the whole RWD vs FWD price delta and look at the Cadillac XT6 - which starts at $52.7k for the FWD NA V6, compared to $44.5k for the FWD MDX, and the Cadillac goes up considerably higher in pricing than the MDX.
That's an $8.2k price delta - which is huge at this price-point.
Plus, in the case of the Mexican-built Q5, the drastically lower wages there more than makes up for any differential in the cost of R&D.
And on top of that, a # of Buick models not only had their R&D done in Europe, but were also built there, and yet, they were priced below that of comparable Acura models.
You talk a big talk, but that only makes you look like a bigger FOOL than you already are (which is difficult to do).
It's going to take Genesis months to get through the pre-orders (even if only half results in sales), and a whopping 65% is for the higher 3.5TT engine - which starts at over $59k.
The cost of R&D is spread out and didn't I give the example of the Aviator?
Gee, wonder where the R&D for the Aviator is done?
More of the Aviator's R&D is done in the US than for the MDX, and yet the Aviator starts at a good bit higher price-point and at the top-end, ends much higher.
We can even take out the whole RWD vs FWD price delta and look at the Cadillac XT6 - which starts at $52.7k for the FWD NA V6, compared to $44.5k for the FWD MDX, and the Cadillac goes up considerably higher in pricing than the MDX.
That's an $8.2k price delta - which is huge at this price-point.
Plus, in the case of the Mexican-built Q5, the drastically lower wages there more than makes up for any differential in the cost of R&D.
And on top of that, a # of Buick models not only had their R&D done in Europe, but were also built there, and yet, they were priced below that of comparable Acura models.
You talk a big talk, but that only makes you look like a bigger FOOL than you already are (which is difficult to do).
It's going to take Genesis months to get through the pre-orders (even if only half results in sales), and a whopping 65% is for the higher 3.5TT engine - which starts at over $59k.
No one will buy this GV80. prepare for deep discounts. This brand does not even dealers. thats why it is called discounted brand. Even free maintaince and home service cost will not prevent it.
In highly automated environment. work wages not big deal. it is R&D system that matter. Next MDX is going way up market.
11-10-2020, 05:19 PM
#141
Team Owner
Lincoln Aviator is much newer and higher content vehicle. so it will start higher. You cannot compare it with MDX that was introduced in summer of 2013.
No one will buy this GV80. prepare for deep discounts. This brand does not even dealers. thats why it is called discounted brand. Even free maintaince and home service cost will not prevent it.
In highly automated environment. work wages not big deal. it is R&D system that matter. Next MDX is going way up market.
No one will buy this GV80. prepare for deep discounts. This brand does not even dealers. thats why it is called discounted brand. Even free maintaince and home service cost will not prevent it.
In highly automated environment. work wages not big deal. it is R&D system that matter. Next MDX is going way up market.
and ARE YOU really sure about that?
11-10-2020, 06:33 PM
#143
Team Owner
You think Acura will make a banner and put it on every car they sold to make sure that the customer know it has DWB suspension?
and attached a detailed explanation of what DWB suspension is since 99% of the buyers dont know wtf that is?
and attached a detailed explanation of what DWB suspension is since 99% of the buyers dont know wtf that is?
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11-11-2020, 04:18 PM
#144
Lincoln Aviator is much newer and higher content vehicle. so it will start higher. You cannot compare it with MDX that was introduced in summer of 2013.
No one will buy this GV80. prepare for deep discounts. This brand does not even dealers. thats why it is called discounted brand. Even free maintaince and home service cost will not prevent it.
In highly automated environment. work wages not big deal. it is R&D system that matter. Next MDX is going way up market.
No one will buy this GV80. prepare for deep discounts. This brand does not even dealers. thats why it is called discounted brand. Even free maintaince and home service cost will not prevent it.
In highly automated environment. work wages not big deal. it is R&D system that matter. Next MDX is going way up market.
Excuses, excuses.
Honda could have easily made the MDX akin to the RLX in pricing, but they didn't.
There are numerous reasons why the RLX sold as dismally as it did, but one of the biggest reasons was that it was several thousand more than the XTS and Continental to start.
Prospective buyers rolled their eyes at that pricing premium for the RLX compared to the other FWD-based competition (esp,. as the ES was even cheaper).
And let's say that the new MDX sees a similar hike in price as the new TLX.
It still won't achieve pricing parity with the GV80 or Aviator, esp. at the higher end.
As for the GV80, it will be sold at MSRP for the foreseeable future as Genesis works through the pre-orders.
Any GV80 that makes it to a dealer lot unclaimed will likely see a premium above list (as is still the case for the Telluride).
We'll be seeing bigger discounts on the MDX earlier despite launching later.
And once again, you are wrong.
Wages are still a big factor when it comes to cost.
Why do you automakers (including Honda) try to build their compacts/subcompacts in Mexico?
Last edited by YEH; 11-11-2020 at 04:23 PM.
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11-11-2020, 05:16 PM
#145
You have Genesis mistaken for Acura which has one of the highest incentive rates (including incentive spending to ATP).
Excuses, excuses.
Honda could have easily made the MDX akin to the RLX in pricing, but they didn't.
There are numerous reasons why the RLX sold as dismally as it did, but one of the biggest reasons was that it was several thousand more than the XTS and Continental to start.
Prospective buyers rolled their eyes at that pricing premium for the RLX compared to the other FWD-based competition (esp,. as the ES was even cheaper).
And let's say that the new MDX sees a similar hike in price as the new TLX.
It still won't achieve pricing parity with the GV80 or Aviator, esp. at the higher end.
As for the GV80, it will be sold at MSRP for the foreseeable future as Genesis works through the pre-orders.
Any GV80 that makes it to a dealer lot unclaimed will likely see a premium above list (as is still the case for the Telluride).
We'll be seeing bigger discounts on the MDX earlier despite launching later.
And once again, you are wrong.
Wages are still a big factor when it comes to cost.
Why do you automakers (including Honda) try to build their compacts/subcompacts in Mexico?
Excuses, excuses.
Honda could have easily made the MDX akin to the RLX in pricing, but they didn't.
There are numerous reasons why the RLX sold as dismally as it did, but one of the biggest reasons was that it was several thousand more than the XTS and Continental to start.
Prospective buyers rolled their eyes at that pricing premium for the RLX compared to the other FWD-based competition (esp,. as the ES was even cheaper).
And let's say that the new MDX sees a similar hike in price as the new TLX.
It still won't achieve pricing parity with the GV80 or Aviator, esp. at the higher end.
As for the GV80, it will be sold at MSRP for the foreseeable future as Genesis works through the pre-orders.
Any GV80 that makes it to a dealer lot unclaimed will likely see a premium above list (as is still the case for the Telluride).
We'll be seeing bigger discounts on the MDX earlier despite launching later.
And once again, you are wrong.
Wages are still a big factor when it comes to cost.
Why do you automakers (including Honda) try to build their compacts/subcompacts in Mexico?
RLX was not competitve relative to price as most of BMW 5 and E class were cheaper to lease. Germans started 4 cylinder turbos with free maintaince at much cheaper starting price.
MDX even if closer to lease at BMW X5 will still win.
Mexico is not much cheaper than most of US states with over all cost. It has same reason as so many hispanics in businesses here. future most jobs in US will be digital economy.
11-12-2020, 08:44 AM
#146
Ex-OEM King
Can we delete all this frivolous drivel yet? It has nothing to do with anything.
Maybe make a SSFTSX pointless argument thread?
Maybe make a SSFTSX pointless argument thread?
11-18-2020, 05:04 PM
#147
Makes C/D's 10Best list...
https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...-genesis-gv80/
Along with the Telluride.
The TLX didn't make the cut.
Accord is still on the list.
While from the sounds of it (based on the 1st drive reviews of the Sonata N-Line), the N-Line is better than the Accord Sport, but the regular Accord is still better than the standard Sonata.
https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...-genesis-gv80/
Along with the Telluride.
The TLX didn't make the cut.
Accord is still on the list.
While from the sounds of it (based on the 1st drive reviews of the Sonata N-Line), the N-Line is better than the Accord Sport, but the regular Accord is still better than the standard Sonata.
11-18-2020, 05:07 PM
#148
Makes C/D's 10Best list...
https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...-genesis-gv80/
Along with the Telluride.
The TLX didn't make the cut.
Accord is still on the list.
While from the sounds of it (based on the 1st drive reviews of the Sonata N-Line), the N-Line is better than the Accord Sport, but the regular Accord is still better than the standard Sonata.
That's 2 Genesis models to have made the list (G70 being the 1st) within the past few years.
When was the last time an Acura made the list?
Odds are, the upcoming GV70 will make the list (even if it ends up bumping off the GV80).
https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...-genesis-gv80/
Along with the Telluride.
The TLX didn't make the cut.
Accord is still on the list.
While from the sounds of it (based on the 1st drive reviews of the Sonata N-Line), the N-Line is better than the Accord Sport, but the regular Accord is still better than the standard Sonata.
That's 2 Genesis models to have made the list (G70 being the 1st) within the past few years.
When was the last time an Acura made the list?
Odds are, the upcoming GV70 will make the list (even if it ends up bumping off the GV80).
11-18-2020, 05:36 PM
#149
2016 Acura TLX
Last I remember was when the 2nd gen RL was introduced and that was only for a year I think. The the 1st gen TSX was also on there, but not sure for how long
Last edited by honda_nut; 11-18-2020 at 05:40 PM.
11-18-2020, 09:15 PM
#150
Makes C/D's 10Best list...
https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...-genesis-gv80/
Along with the Telluride.
The TLX didn't make the cut.
Accord is still on the list.
While from the sounds of it (based on the 1st drive reviews of the Sonata N-Line), the N-Line is better than the Accord Sport, but the regular Accord is still better than the standard Sonata.
That's 2 Genesis models to have made the list (G70 being the 1st) within the past few years.
When was the last time an Acura made the list?
Odds are, the upcoming GV70 will make the list (even if it ends up bumping off the GV80).
https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...-genesis-gv80/
Along with the Telluride.
The TLX didn't make the cut.
Accord is still on the list.
While from the sounds of it (based on the 1st drive reviews of the Sonata N-Line), the N-Line is better than the Accord Sport, but the regular Accord is still better than the standard Sonata.
That's 2 Genesis models to have made the list (G70 being the 1st) within the past few years.
When was the last time an Acura made the list?
Odds are, the upcoming GV70 will make the list (even if it ends up bumping off the GV80).
Ridgeline higher than Tacoma. If Ridgeline is there than why Passport, Pilot and Odysey not there?
11-19-2020, 08:41 AM
#151
Ex-OEM King
This is a thread about the GV80, not a Ridgeline, Tacoma, Passport, or Odyssey.
Can someone delete this garbage?
Can someone delete this garbage?
11-19-2020, 04:26 PM
#152
As per usual, the resident troll continually brings in extraneous things into the discussion.
What does dependability, much less the Ridgeline or Passport, have to do with how the GV80 is rated/ranked?
But speaking of dependability...
JDP 2020 VDS rankings
https://www.jdpower.com/sites/defaul...?itok=4Oe8E15W
Genesis - #1
Acura - #17
And for Consumer Reports
And speaking of the Passport -sales are going so well that Honda is now offering a lease deal that's less than for the CR-V.
What does dependability, much less the Ridgeline or Passport, have to do with how the GV80 is rated/ranked?
But speaking of dependability...
JDP 2020 VDS rankings
https://www.jdpower.com/sites/defaul...?itok=4Oe8E15W
Genesis - #1
Acura - #17
And for Consumer Reports
How automotive brands ranked for reliability:
- Lexus
- Mazda
- Toyota
- Porsche
- Genesis
- Hyundai
- Subaru
- Dodge
- Kia
- Mini
- Nissan
- Honda
- Infiniti
- Audi
- Lincoln
- Ford
- BMW
- Buick
- Chrysler
- Mitsubishi
- Mercedes-Benz
- GMC
- Tesla
- Volvo
- Chevrolet
- Jeep
- Volkswagen
- Acura
- Alfa Romeo
- Cadillac
And speaking of the Passport -sales are going so well that Honda is now offering a lease deal that's less than for the CR-V.
Last edited by YEH; 11-19-2020 at 04:37 PM.
11-19-2020, 09:16 PM
#153
It was sarcrastic. Genesis getiting all those rewards. Genesis does not sell that much vehicle but still so easy to find 2018/2019/2020 models in used car market. Seem people are abondoning before even leases are up.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/ctd...229683462.html
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ctd...233005372.html
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/ctd...229683462.html
2020 Genesis G70 2.0T Sedan 4D sedan Black - FINANCE ONLINE - $37,990
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ctd...233005372.html
2019 Genesis G90 5.0 Ultimate Sedan 4D sedan Black - FINANCE ONLINE - $59,990
11-20-2020, 08:41 AM
#154
Ex-OEM King
It was sarcrastic. Genesis getiting all those rewards. Genesis does not sell that much vehicle but still so easy to find 2018/2019/2020 models in used car market. Seem people are abondoning before even leases are up.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/ctd...229683462.html
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ctd...233005372.html
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/ctd...229683462.html
2020 Genesis G70 2.0T Sedan 4D sedan Black - FINANCE ONLINE - $37,990
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ctd...233005372.html
2019 Genesis G90 5.0 Ultimate Sedan 4D sedan Black - FINANCE ONLINE - $59,990
If you want an Acura, go buy one. If you want a better car, then don't. Really that simple.
At least you can rest in solace that at least Acura isn't as bad as Infiniti.
02-23-2021, 08:15 PM
#155
Race Director
LOS ANGELES — Tiger Woods was seriously injured Tuesday when his SUV rolled over and ended up on its side in suburban Los Angeles, authorities said. The golf superstar had to be pulled out through the windshield, and his agent said he was undergoing leg surgery.
Woods was alone in the SUV when it crashed shortly before 7:15 a.m., and no other cars were involved, the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department said. He was alert as firefighters pried open the front windshield to get him out, said Christopher Thomas, a spokesman for the county Fire Department.
Images showed the Genesis GV80 SUV on its side, with its front end heavily damaged, just off the side of a road near a hillside. An ambulance took the 45-year-old to a hospital, authorities said.
“Tiger Woods was in a single-car accident this morning in California where he suffered multiple leg injuries,” said his manager, Mark Steinberg. “He is currently in surgery and we thank you for your privacy and support.”
The cause of the wreck wasn’t clear. The two-lane road curves through upscale LA suburbs, and the northbound side that Woods was driving on descends steeply enough that signs warn trucks to use lower gears. The speed limit is 45 mph.
Barbara Ferraro, a councilwoman in the community of Rancho Palos Verdes, said the road where Woods crashed is not winding like other stretches but it’s steep and not far from a gravel runaway truck lane that was ahead before the next traffic light.
“It’s easy to pick up speed,” Ferraro said. “Even if you’re not speeding, unless you’re actually putting on the brakes, you’ll pick up speed.”
Woods was in Los Angeles over the weekend as the tournament host of the Genesis Invitational at Riviera Country Club, where he presented the trophy on Sunday. He was to spend Monday and Tuesday filming with Discovery-owned GOLFTV, with whom he has an endorsement. A tweet Monday showed Woods in a cart smiling with comedian David Spade.
The SUV he was driving Tuesday had tournament logos on the side door, indicating it was a courtesy car for players at the Genesis Invitational. Tournament director Mike Antolini did not immediately respond to a text message, though it is not unusual for players to keep courtesy cars a few days after the event.
Woods was alone in the SUV when it crashed shortly before 7:15 a.m., and no other cars were involved, the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department said. He was alert as firefighters pried open the front windshield to get him out, said Christopher Thomas, a spokesman for the county Fire Department.
Images showed the Genesis GV80 SUV on its side, with its front end heavily damaged, just off the side of a road near a hillside. An ambulance took the 45-year-old to a hospital, authorities said.
“Tiger Woods was in a single-car accident this morning in California where he suffered multiple leg injuries,” said his manager, Mark Steinberg. “He is currently in surgery and we thank you for your privacy and support.”
The cause of the wreck wasn’t clear. The two-lane road curves through upscale LA suburbs, and the northbound side that Woods was driving on descends steeply enough that signs warn trucks to use lower gears. The speed limit is 45 mph.
Barbara Ferraro, a councilwoman in the community of Rancho Palos Verdes, said the road where Woods crashed is not winding like other stretches but it’s steep and not far from a gravel runaway truck lane that was ahead before the next traffic light.
“It’s easy to pick up speed,” Ferraro said. “Even if you’re not speeding, unless you’re actually putting on the brakes, you’ll pick up speed.”
Woods was in Los Angeles over the weekend as the tournament host of the Genesis Invitational at Riviera Country Club, where he presented the trophy on Sunday. He was to spend Monday and Tuesday filming with Discovery-owned GOLFTV, with whom he has an endorsement. A tweet Monday showed Woods in a cart smiling with comedian David Spade.
The SUV he was driving Tuesday had tournament logos on the side door, indicating it was a courtesy car for players at the Genesis Invitational. Tournament director Mike Antolini did not immediately respond to a text message, though it is not unusual for players to keep courtesy cars a few days after the event.
02-23-2021, 09:29 PM
#156
Bet he wishes instead of the Genesis Invitational it was called the Volvo Invitational so that they were be given XC90s instead of GV80s to drive around 
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02-24-2021, 12:02 PM
#157
Moderator
Thread Starter
02-24-2021, 01:10 PM
#158
2016 Acura TLX
Seems like it held up pretty well, though we're not sure what exactly caused him to crash. Probably not the type of press Genesis expected to receive out of this sponsorship.
02-24-2021, 01:43 PM
#159
Team Owner
At the end of the day he survived the crash. so the car did its job....I think that might be a good publicity.. depends on how they are going to spin it..
02-28-2021, 01:10 AM
#160
why it crashed? did he disabled auto braking and road departure mitigation?
this system got updated for 2022.
https://acuranews.com/en-US/releases...brand-flagship
For 2022, AcuraWatch™ includes updated Road Departure Mitigation plus new technologies
this system got updated for 2022.
https://acuranews.com/en-US/releases...brand-flagship
For 2022, AcuraWatch™ includes updated Road Departure Mitigation plus new technologies