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Old 06-16-2012, 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by charliemike
I don't know that many people would buy a $36-38k Focus RS ... Which is probably what it would cost.
I'd buy it every time over the golf R.

The question is can someone justify it over the STI or some of the used luxo-v8's that creep into that price point.
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2013 Focus ST gets 23 City/32 Highway/26 Mixed EPA ratings

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Originally Posted by Moose Muscles
I'd buy it every time over the golf R.

The question is can someone justify it over the STI or some of the used luxo-v8's that creep into that price point.


Good point. The STi has a loyal fan base. If Ford had been smart and brought over the 2nd gen. Euro Focus with the ST and RS models it could have built something along those lines as well. But it basically has to start from scratch.
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Inside Line First Test

http://www.insideline.com/ford/focus...rack-test.html

The last time we drove the 2013 Ford Focus ST we called it the $24,495 BMW M3. And despite the fact that the 252-horsepower 2013 Focus ST is a front-drive turbocharged hatchback, that spin around the French Alps had us thinking BMW and not Mazdaspeed 3 or Volkswagen GTI.

But that was a preproduction European-spec test car in an unfamiliar environment. Before we could make a full analysis we'd need to experience the hot rod Focus ST on our own turf.

Ford didn't have one available for us yet, but a local dealer did. $29,185 later, we walked out with our new Long-Term Tangerine Scream 2013 Ford Focus ST. Then we hit the road to get it broken in. Five days later we finished the break-in and sent it immediately to the track.

Would we still be thinking M3, or would the numbers and on-track performance bring us back to a Mazdaspeed 3/GTI mindset?

Vehicle:
Odometer: 1,188
Date: 10/2/2012
Driver: Josh Jacquot
Price: $29,185 (as tested)

Specifications:
Drive Type: Front-engine, front-wheel drive
Transmission Type: Six-speed manual
Engine Type: Turbocharged inline-4
Displacement (cc/cu-in): 1,999/122
Redline (rpm): 6,500
Horsepower (hp @ rpm): 252 @ 5,500
Torque (lb-ft @ rpm): 270 @ 2,500
Brake Type (front): 12.6-inch ventilated disc with single-piston sliding caliper
Brake Type (rear): 10.7-inch ventilated disc with single-piston sliding caliper
Suspension Type (front): Independent MacPherson struts, coil springs, stabilizer bar
Suspension Type (rear): Independent multilink, coil springs, trailing links
Tire Size (front): 235/40R18 (95Y)
Tire Size (rear): 235/40R18 (95Y)
Tire Brand: Goodyear
Tire Model: Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2
Tire Type: Asymmetrical summer performance
As Tested Curb Weight (lb.): 3,251

Test Results:

Acceleration
0-30 (sec): 2.8 (2.9 w/ TC on)
0-45 (sec): 4.5 (4.8 w/ TC on)
0-60 (sec): 6.6 (7.2 w/ TC on)
0-60 with 1-ft Rollout (sec): 6.3 (6.8 w/ TC on)
0-75 (sec): 9.9 (10.0 w/ TC on)
1/4-Mile (sec @ mph): 15.0 @ 93.3 (15.1 @92.5 w/ TC on)

Braking
30-0 (ft): 28
60-0 (ft): 112

Handling
Slalom (mph): 69.1 (67.7 w/TC off)
Skid Pad Lateral Acceleration (g): 0.93 (0.91 w/TC on)

Db @ Idle: 45.6
Db @ Full Throttle: 78.4
Db @ 70-mph Cruise: 64.7
RPM @ 70: 2,650

Comments:

Acceleration: Not easy to launch, but not as hard as some FWD cars. Doesn't want to bog or coil like Mazdaspeed 3, but also doesn't leave as hard. Needs about 3,500 rpm and quick clutch engagement for best launch. Wheels spin partway through 1st, then hook. When executed properly, the shift to 2nd doesn't bog. Shifter is vague for this kind of use. Probably fine during daily driving (or even road course use), but not direct enough for drag-style shifting.

Braking: Softer pedal than I'd prefer, but stopping seems reliable. Some variation in distance, but no fade.

Handling:

Skid pad: Readily rotates off throttle, which allows complete freedom of line adjustment here. This car would be brilliant on a road course. Communicative and lively. Fun. Stability off yields best numbers here.

Slalom: Eagerness to rotate on the skid pad hurts this car in the slalom. Still, its manners are superb if you're willing to drive it hard. Best time in "Sport" mode. Tuned to rotate so don't bother turning ESC off. Stability control and suspension engineers tuned this car for drivers who understand.

Edmunds purchased this vehicle for the purposes of evaluation.
Sounds like a great driver's car, just like any previous Focus ST.

However, acceleration-wise, it doesn't look that strong given its power ratings (similar to Civic Si but its as tested price is also $6000 more expensive). I guess the 3200lb+ curb weight has a negative effect here. The current VW GTI is already as fast, if not faster. The newer GTI will most likely be even faster as it will have 30 more hp and less weight. The GTI will also have an optional LSD which will further improve its handling. I'm not sure if the new Focus ST can beat it or not.
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It's entirely possible that the Mk7 will be a much faster car than the current Focus ST.

It does seem as though Ford at least beat the current benchmark.

I want one
Old 10-03-2012, 07:50 PM
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Sounds like a great driver's car, just like any previous Focus ST.

On paper it looks great and I'm looking forward to taking one of these puppies for a spin. Wish it came in sedan form too, or without the center exhaust - I prefer q-ship profile.
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Will there be a RS version?
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Road and Track Comparison Test

Here is the comparison test between the Focus ST against the current MS3 and VW GTI: http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/co...s.-mazdaspeed3

1st: Focus
2nd: GTI
3rd: MS3

R&T really likes the handling and styling of the Focus ST.

The Focus also wins full points according to the performance chart. However, I find it a bit deceiving as it doesn't tell the whole story. The chart takes into account of 0-60mph as well as 1/4 mile time. The Focus was the fastest in both, hence getting full points. But if you actually look closely at the data, the Focus is faster to 0-60mph because the car is geared so that it redlines at 63mph in 2nd gear. The other two cars hit the redline at 61mph. I suspect 2 shifts are required for both MS3 and GTI in order to reach 60mph. In reality, the MS3 is just as fast as the Focus until 90mph, and then the MS3 pulls away from it (this probably does not matter much though). It's also interesting to note that the MS3 has a 4mph advantage in the 1/4 mile trap speed over the Focus. This indicates the MS3 is a much faster car once it gets going from a standstill. Another fact is, the GTI comes with 6MT, which is slower than the DSG version.

The Focus also dominates the other two cars in EPA fuel economy. But in the actual test, the GTI is the most efficient. This is not factored in the results.

With the above said, the Focus seems to be an excellent car. It will be interesting to see if the next GTI can topple it.
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Motor Trend publishes their first drive of the new Focus ST:

Aside from the torque steer, I can't overstate how impressive the handling is. Unfortunately, I have a feeling most of these cars will be sold on horsepower alone so people can race other front drivers in a straight line from third gear roll-on. What a waste that will be. With many of the hot hatches becoming a bit too refined to be considered true hot hatches - yes, I'm looking at you, GTI and Cooper S -- it is refreshing to see something aimed at being a hooligan. I can see one of two things happening if I drove this car daily. The more likely one is me losing my license when a cop isn't impressed with the Focus' ability to four-wheel drift. Less likely is me keeping my license long enough to get tired of the comments and challenges, wrestling with the torque steer, and paying for new tires every couple of months.
Read the entire story here: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...focus_st_test/
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Dammit, I can't wait to be able to swing a new car again
Old 12-19-2012, 03:24 PM
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Yep, this is probably the car I'd get now. Everything I'm looking for. Looks great too, love the ambient lighting system that RPhilman showed in his thread.
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Hmm...I know straight line speed isn't what this car is all about, but I'm still surprised its acceleration numbers don't annihilate the GTI's numbers considering its 50hp advantage while having around the same weight. Would really like to see how this cars compares with the new GTI.
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Damn love this car!
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http://www.autoweek.com/article/2013...HINA/130419787

The Ford Escort is back—at least as a concept at the China auto show.

The simply-styled Escort concept was revealed this weekend in Shanghai, and it suggests design possibilities for a Ford compact sedan.

While not offering extensive details, Ford said the Escort is meant to be “stylish,” but not “arrogant or “pretentious.” The result is one of the more basic concepts shown by any major automaker in recent memory, though design cues include blinged-out LED headlights in the rough shape of a figure eight and an upright grille. It rolls on 18-inch chrome wheels and has a creased hood in front and short, sloping deck in back. The concept's powertrain was not disclosed.

“Design was driven to give it a very sleek dynamic,” Ford designer Chris Svensson said.

That aims to appeal to the so-called C-segment, a major part of China's car market. Ford estimates it accounts for 5.5 million vehicle sales annually, or more than the entire volume of Japan's car industry. Ford already sells a version of the Focus in China in this sector.

That market's thirst for compact sedans is comparable to the manner in which Americans view crossovers—as the main transportation for the family and adaptable to a variety of situations.

The Escort name was used for more than 20 years on Ford small cars in the United States.
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Aston Martin must be really furious, with Ford coping it's grille design into more and more Ford products.
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RS version with 330HP...?

Speculation: http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...sepower-report

Given the success of the last Ford Focus RS, based on the previous-generation Focus sold outside the U.S., a follow-up model based on the new Ford Focus seemed like a done deal. After all, the new Focus is widely promoted as a global car, and excitement over the launch of the lesser Focus ST seems to indicate a large enthusiast marketplace.

Still, several years on since the arrival of the new Focus, we’re still waiting on the Ford Motor Company [NYSE:F] to launch a high-performance RS variant. Spy shots of a test mule have previously surfaced, and there have been numerous reports claiming that the 2.3-liter EcoBoost engine debuting in the 2015 Mustang will eventually make its way into a range-topping Focus.

Now, Auto Motor and Sport is reporting that a new Focus RS will finally arrive in 2015. The Swedish magazine also reports that the car will come equipped with the 2015 Mustang’s 2.3-liter EcoBoost engine, with output capped at 330 horsepower. Ford hasn’t revealed final specs for its Mustang but said its four-banger will deliver over 305 horsepower. The previous Focus RS delivered as much as 345 horsepower from a turbocharged five-cylinder mill.

Any new Focus RS will likely remain a front-driver, and come with five doors. The last Focus RS came with a three-door body but Ford doesn’t build a three-door Focus anymore.

Part of the reason for the delay in launching a new Focus RS is the loss of former Ford SVT head Jost Capito, who was snatched up by Volkswagen to head its successful WRC operation. Capito was largely responsible for developing the previous Focus RS. The popularity of the smaller Fiesta in motorsport also meant that there have been fewer resources to develop the performance potential of the Focus.
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2015 sedan from NY Auto Show...






Maybe it's just me...but, Civic who?!?!??
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I'm genuinely curious how the 1.0L Ecoboost drives and what the advantage is in a car of this size.
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2015 changes are nice. A bit boring, but I still think it will continue to sell well.
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Why anyone would buy a Civic, Corolla, Sentra, over this is beyond me.

Nice looking sedan.
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Ford Focus RS

From <a href="http://www.autoblog.com/2014/06/17/2016-ford-focus-rs-spy-shots/">Autoblog</a>:


Okay Ford, this is what we like to see. One of our intrepid spy photographers has captured a vehicle that we weren't even sure would see the light of day – the next Focus RS. While this is pretty clearly a mule based on the current Focus ST, as our spy points out, there are a number of giveaways about this hot hatch's true nature.

Indication number one that all is not right with this Focus is the heavily camo'd front fascia, which has been completely reconfigured for duty on the RS. It boasts significantly larger grilles that are meant to accommodate what is likely the 2.3-liter, turbocharged four-cylinder that's destined for the 2015 Ford Mustang. Considering that, then, we can expect around 300 horsepower and 300 pound-feet of torque from the hottest of Foci, although it's entirely possible that the production model could climb even higher, to around 330 hp.

The front fascia tweaks are complemented in the back by a modified rear bumper, which fails at hiding a pair of exhaust tips quite unlike the standard Focus ST's center-exit exhaust. Other obvious changes include the wheel/tire/brake package on this particular car. Larger 19-inch wheels are shod in super-sticky Michelin Pilot Super Sport tires in 235/35/19 while the brakes feature what we think are four-piston calipers, possibly from Brembo, up front.

The big question that we can't answer with these photos is, though, whether the next RS will use all-wheel drive. That remains an open question, although hopefully we'll see evidence supporting that theory sooner rather than later. Until then, though, hop up top and take a look at the full gallery of spy photos of the next Ford Focus RS.
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Needs to be AWD. If not, what a waste.

If it is, I better prepare my wallet.
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2015 Ford Focus ST revealed.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/20...-tech/#!baTaFK









Originally Posted by DigitalTrends
Ford has introduced the facelifted 2015 Focus ST. Although far from an all-new model, the hot hatch gains a sharper design and additional tech features on the inside.

As expected, the ST features roughly the same front fascia as the standard 2015 Focus. The updates include angular headlights, a smaller radiator grille with faux mesh inserts and new-look fog lights neatly integrated into the bumper. The modifications continue out back with smaller tail lamps, and a new paint color named Magnetic Metallic rounds out the exterior updates.

Inside, the ST gains niceties such as a standard rear-view camera, a redesigned instrument panel and a flat-bottomed steering wheel that clears up extra legroom for the driver. Ford has also added a media bin with a USB port that charges two times faster than the one in the outgoing model.

The one area where Ford didn’t update the ST is under the hood. The upgrades for 2015 are mostly skin-deep, meaning the ST retains the 2014 model’s turbocharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder EcoBoost engine that generates 252 horsepower and 270 pound-feet of torque. Linked to a six-speed manual transmission, the ST can reach 60 mph from a stop in a little over six seconds and go on to a track-worthy top speed of 154 mph.

Interestingly, buyers in Europe have access to a new-for-2015 turbodiesel engine, marking a first in the Focus ST’s history. The oil-burning ST is powered by a 2.0-liter four-cylinder that generates 185 horsepower and 295 pound-feet of torque. It is about two seconds slower to sixty than its gas-burning counterpart, but that statistic matters little to U.S. buyers because the Blue Oval is not planning on offering the turbodiesel on these shores.

The facelifted 2015 Focus ST is scheduled to land in Ford showrooms across the nation in the coming months. Ford will publish pricing information in the weeks leading up to the hot hatch’s on-sale date.
Refinements for the upgraded 2015 Focus ST include:

- Redesigned, sportier front and rear fascias
- HID headlamps standard with ST2 and ST3 trim levels with Recaro seats
- Standard LED signature lighting
- 18-inch Rado Gray alloy wheels standard
- Available new 18-inch alloy wheel design with red painted brake calipers
- New exterior color, Magnetic Metallic, replaces Ingot Silver
- Two over-the-top stripe choices now available – Satin Black and High Gloss Red, stripes come with matching mirror skull caps
- Redesigned instrument panel center stack with improved climate controls and new finishes
- New center console with more storage space including a new media bin with USB smart charging port, which charges two times faster than previous USB port
- Updated front door storage with cupholders
- New flat-bottom steering wheel to provide extra leg clearance for the driver
- Available heated steering wheel
- Available eight-way power driver's seat
- Revised steering for improved feel
- Rear view camera standard
I like the front end changes. The headlights are nice and so is the grille. They got rid of the hood gap, too. However, I think the rear end is pretty ugly.

I do like the wheels and the new Magnetic Metallic color. I would have preferred that one over Ingot Silver if they offered it. But now my car is even more rare as Ingot Silver is now discontinued... which is weird, because why would you not offer a standard silver color?

The updates in the interior are nice. I would like that flat-bottomed steering wheel.

Also good to see they are offering a diesel option for the rest of the world, at least.

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I love that new front end!
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Liking the new front end. Not seeing a huge change to the rear
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Front end looks much better
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Post AWD Version to NA...?

Oooo...

From here: http://www.leftlanenews.com/new-ford...-with-awd.html

If a new report is to be believed, the hottest of Ford's hatchbacks - the upcoming Focus RS - will boast an all-wheel-drive system and be sold in the United States.

Citing an anonymous Blue Oval source, Road & Track claims that the new-generation RS will rely on an all-wheel-drive system to put power from its turbocharged 2.3-liter "EcoBoost" four-cylinder to the pavement while avoiding the prodigious torque steer a front-wheel-drive configuration would almost certainly entail.

A variation of the mill used in the Lincoln MKC and 2015 Ford Mustang, the 2.3-liter will likely be mated to a six-speed manual transmission in this application. Output figures haven't yet been finalized, but numbers similar to the Mustang's 310 horsepower and 320 lb-ft are possible.

While few other details are available, an even more aggressive body kit than that of the Focus ST is expected, along with upsized wheels, bigger brakes and a stiffer suspension.

A pricetag in the neighborhood of $30,000 is likely when the Focus RS launches next year as a 2016 model.

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Originally Posted by Yumcha
Good god...if this is true then I'm ditching my plans to buy an S2k and going straight for this.
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Good god...if this is true then I'm ditching my plans to buy an S2k and going straight for this.
Yup, if this happens, MOVE ASIDE SUBARU IMPREZA WRX! You've got company!
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Very good news indeed. Not good news for my wallet, though.
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
Yup, if this happens, MOVE ASIDE SUBARU IMPREZA WRX! You've got company!
I'm thinking this will be more of a competitor to the STI. I can't imagine the Focus RS will be less than $32k to start. The STI started around $35k, WRX @ $26k. I haven't driven any of the latest models but I wonder how the seating position will be.

I always figured if/when I outgrow my BRZ, the STI will be a very nice daily driver. I miss torque sometimes. So many options now!!! I've always wanted a hatchback.
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Originally Posted by Costco
I'm thinking this will be more of a competitor to the STI. I can't imagine the Focus RS will be less than $32k to start. The STI started around $35k, WRX @ $26k. I haven't driven any of the latest models but I wonder how the seating position will be.

I always figured if/when I outgrow my BRZ, the STI will be a very nice daily driver. I miss torque sometimes. So many options now!!! I've always wanted a hatchback.
To clarify, I had the STI in mind...it's a WRX STI. Not all WRXs are STIs but all STIs are WRXs.

Makah sense?
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Very good news indeed. Not good news for my wallet, though.
Ditto... I just hope I'll be able to convince the wife to get this, she already doesn't like the ST.

Originally Posted by Costco
I'm thinking this will be more of a competitor to the STI. I can't imagine the Focus RS will be less than $32k to start. The STI started around $35k, WRX @ $26k. I haven't driven any of the latest models but I wonder how the seating position will be.

I always figured if/when I outgrow my BRZ, the STI will be a very nice daily driver. I miss torque sometimes. So many options now!!! I've always wanted a hatchback.
The difference is that the WRX STi has a unique engine and drive train that's not used anywhere else in Subaru's (small) lineup of cars. The 2.3L EcoBoost is going to be used in the Mustang at the very least and I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up in the Exploder, Escape, Edge, Flex, Fusion, Toreass, etc... The economies of scale apply quite well here, I bet this thing (if we get it) will substantially undercut the STi which is already, IMO, way overpriced for what it is.

With the ST starting at a hair under $24k and the EcoBoost Mustang ringing in at right around $26k, I'd expect this thing to start at right around the same or less which is damn near perfect for what I want to spend on a batshit crazy daily driver.
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Subaru, oh Subaru. I both hate and love you. Back before I bought the ST and I was car shopping, I seriously considered the STi. But I came to realize, as they say, you are buying a $20k econobox with a $15k transmission. I just couldn't get over the interior as my daily driver. And especially now that you can't get one in hatchback form, and I'm still not a complete fan of the new styling, I would be much more willing to spend around $35k and under (hopefully closer to $32k and under) for a Focus RS as long as it comes with at least the same quality interior and features as my ST.

Plus, fuel economy. I know it will be less in the RS but I would have been paying much more for gas daily driving the STi (20, 21mpg?) as I do now in the ST (27mpg).
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Originally Posted by SamDoe1
Ditto... I just hope I'll be able to convince the wife to get this, she already doesn't like the ST.



The difference is that the WRX STi has a unique engine and drive train that's not used anywhere else in Subaru's (small) lineup of cars. The 2.3L EcoBoost is going to be used in the Mustang at the very least and I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up in the Exploder, Escape, Edge, Flex, Fusion, Toreass, etc... The economies of scale apply quite well here, I bet this thing (if we get it) will substantially undercut the STi which is already, IMO, way overpriced for what it is.

With the ST starting at a hair under $24k and the EcoBoost Mustang ringing in at right around $26k, I'd expect this thing to start at right around the same or less which is damn near perfect for what I want to spend on a batshit crazy daily driver.
I would be VERY surprised if the RS starts below $29k. I could see it having a BBK standard, among other things. Recaros standard too. The performance package for a Mustang GT is over $2k, and it includes a BBK. Without it the GT barely starts at under $30k. Just don't see it happening, though I would love it if it does.

They say the Focus RS will have it's own AWD system with torque vectoring, not shared with any other model.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/go/futur...e-insider-info

UPDATE: We have additional details about the upcoming 2016 Focus RS from another trusted source, including power output, so let's start with that. With the Mustang GT's V8 holding down a 435 hp spot at the top of the Ford performance pecking order (for now, until the 2016 Ford Mustang Shelby GT350 emerges), the Focus RS is free to turn up the horsepower wick. Since the 2.3-liter Ecoboost is easily capable of more than its 310 hp output in the Mustang, which was dictated more by fuel economy concerns than anything else, the RS is free to pump out between 325 and 350 hp. The higher figure is more likely. This is because as a low-volume, niche product that doesn't compete with the Mustang GT, there's no reason to hold the Focus RS back.

To put the power down, Ford will employ an entirely new AWD system intended for high-output applications. It's not the same system employed on the Fusion, Escape, and MKZ. The new system will employ torque vectoring front and rear to aid handling, and after debuting in the Focus RS it will trickle down to other applications.

That means the Focus RS might have some high-performance AWD company in Ford's lineup soon.
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Subaru, oh Subaru. I both hate and love you. Back before I bought the ST and I was car shopping, I seriously considered the STi. But I came to realize, as they say, you are buying a $20k econobox with a $15k transmission. I just couldn't get over the interior as my daily driver. And especially now that you can't get one in hatchback form, and I'm still not a complete fan of the new styling, I would be much more willing to spend around $35k and under (hopefully closer to $32k and under) for a Focus RS as long as it comes with at least the same quality interior and features as my ST.

Plus, fuel economy. I know it will be less in the RS but I would have been paying much more for gas daily driving the STi (20, 21mpg?) as I do now in the ST (27mpg).
Yeah, you get amazing mileage in the ST, geez.

To each his own! I've felt the same as you do about the Evo and STI in the past. But they are very technologically advanced models... I have driven and been in standard Imprezas and Lancers and it is drastically different. They are on a very different level performance-wise.

You can almost say the same thing about the Mustang (V6 vs. GT500) or the Camaro (V6 vs. Z/28). Except those two go from around $20k to ~$70k. I know it's just hyperbole, but you're getting a whole lot more than a better transmission.
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