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Old 05-20-2014, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by swoosh
There's none of that in here.






The Poopdick is so freaking hawt, it'd turn :ghey: people straight.
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I want to see Jeremy Clarkson drive the car, then have the stig run it on their track
I want to see myself driving this car for the next 5 years...
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In Maranello...all the colors of the rainbow...

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Old 05-22-2014, 02:27 PM
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Hublot's timepiece to commemorate the Poopdick is jaw-dropping...here's the hands-on video of the watch.

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LaFerrari is yesterday's news. McLaren P1 is the king right now.
As for that $345,000 watch. Garbage!



Originally Posted by Yumcha
There's none of that in here.


The Poopdick is so freaking hawt, it'd turn :ghey: people straight.

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Originally Posted by Black Tire
LaFerrari is yesterday's news. McLaren P1 is the king right now.
Can't go wrong with either.

I posted in Car Talk a couple weeks back a comparo of the P1, Poopdick, and 918...each car has their strengths...and each is magnificent.
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I was like damn, that watch sure looks familiar

https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...&postcount=421
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Originally Posted by srika
I was like damn, that watch sure looks familiar

https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...&postcount=421
Yups. This is Ariel Adam's hands-on impressions of it...his site's awesome. Kinda like a Chris-Harris...for watches.


The engineering behind it is insanity. Just as impressive as the car itself in many ways.
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lol....

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You won't be at the price for a...watch.
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
Can't go wrong with either.

I posted in Car Talk a couple weeks back a comparo of the P1, Poopdick, and 918...each car has their strengths...and each is magnificent.
dat V12 doe

Come triple digit speeds, IIRC the LaPooprrari begins to gain carlengths on the other two.
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Originally Posted by Costco
dat V12 doe

Come triple digit speeds, IIRC the LaPooprrari begins to gain carlengths on the other two.


and its ridiculous, remember the P1 traps the quarter between 148-152mph.
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Originally Posted by srika


and its ridiculous, remember the P1 traps the quarter between 148-152mph.
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Another review (The Telegraph) of the Poopdick: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/...ri-review.html


In short, the car is magnificent.
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Chris Harris has another write-up on the Poopdick McFartington (he wrote one earlier that was posted in here from Road and Track)...

This one is a great read. Very detailed. And he tells you if it's this or the P1...

Until recently, there wasn't going to be a media drive event of for the Ferrari LaFerrari - the silliest named supercar of them all. I can quite understand why this was almost the case. Imagine selling your house, completing the deal, watching the cash land in the bank account and then inviting three more prospective buyers, with no more cash to offer, to view the property. It's pointless. All 499 examples of the Enzo's successor were sold immediately. And I strongly suspect many of those who bought them would quite like to see the machine kept away from the great unwashed like me anyway.


Caption: What a speechless Chris Harris looks like

However, building a petrol-electric 963hp hypercar does leave you with the small issue of marketing your technological expertise, and so it was inevitable that Ferrari would need to let the world know that it had taken a technology used to create the hideous Prius and somehow fashioned it into the most impressive new piece of go-faster hardware since the invention of the exhaust driven turbocharger.

This was my first trip to Maranello for a while. I had with me a man to taste food for poison and a small security ensemble in case of violence. The programme was briefings, followed by a brief road drive and then some laps of Fiorano. I had less time in the car than the P1.

You already know the basic details of the LaF's technical specification, so let's try and understand it in the context of its closest rival, the P1. There are two key differences between the two - the Ferrari uses a naturally aspirated V12, where the McLaren has a twin turbo V8, and the LaF has regenerative braking, whereas the P1's middle pedal does braking and nothing more.



In simple terms, the LaF's V12 is the same as the F12's but running new intake and exhaust systems to give 800hp. Obviously the powertrain's hybridity takes all the headlines, but the constantly variable length intakes are straight from an F1 car and pure pornography for people like us. The motor revs to 9,250rpm, peak power is at 9,000rpm. For all those people who can't understand why a car of this type might benefit from any electric assistance I enclose a picture of the motor's torque curve - it's straight out of a race car; a perfect horizontal line. Left to petrol power alone, the LaFerrari would be as peaky as a 500cc two-stroke GP motorcycle.

The extra 163hp comes from an electric motor powered by a high voltage battery pack located as low as possible in the chassis and is, in effect, part of the chassis because it's housed in a carbon frame that is a stressed part of the tub. The total weight penalty for the hybrid system is 146kg. The tub itself is 20 per cent lighter than an Enzo's and 27 per cent stiffer in terms of torsional stiffness; 22 per cent in bending. The centre of mass is 35mm lower. There is 60mm extra headroom because the driving position is more reposed, and that means you can wear a crash hat, something you struggle to do in an Enzo.

Braking is by massive Brembo carbon ceramics and the gearbox is essentially the same Getrag dual-clutch as you'll find in an F12, but electrically powered.



The driving position is something of a masterpiece. The door swings wide and high, and because the chassis is so narrow, you simply fall into the cabin. There is no seat, simply some padding fixed to the carbon tub and a wheel and pedals that move to meet you. The most complicated Ferrari of all time borrows a key design theme from a Marcos. You sit low, with the wheel pulled into your chest and the floor-hinged pedals spaced where you ask them to be. Ahead of you are two electronic displays that can be configured in a zillion different ways - the coolest being a track mode that shows a rev counter beginning at 5,000rpm. The steering wheel is a visual abomination because it is almost square, and the buttons are no different to those of a 458. For a million large I'd quite like something a little different to grip. But that's the last time you really bother moaning about the steering wheel because, once you've driven the LaFerrari, you struggle to find much that's wrong with it. For the business of going faster than your body feels is reasonable and, far more importantly, involving the driver in the process, this car is much more than I'd expected.

We'll start with the track performance. That lower C of G gives the car startling agility. There are no spherical bearings in the suspension, but being bolted into the tub gives a genuine sense of connection, For the first few corners you think "Jeepers, this is a mid-engined 1,000hp accident waiting to happen." And then the first time you dare to push that long-travel throttle pedal into the carpet you simply cannot compute the notion that four laps later you'll be grabbing the thing by the scruff and letting the back axle slither about. But you will, because once you get your head around the fact that the straight bits of Fiorano seem quite a bit shorter than you remember, this is a very approachable car.



Power delivery is just otherworldly. Ferrari has all sorts of graphs demonstrating crazy response times, but the reality is even more impressive. You can judge the amount of throttle with great accuracy too - building thrust as each radius opens. Is it faster than a P1? I couldn't sense any great difference - they're both bain-frazzlingly rapid, but the Italian V12 makes the finer noise. I don't think I could ever tire of hearing this car, either from inside or outside.

With all the systems switched on in Race mode the chassis is plain superb. Front axle grip is massive, and here's the interesting bit - the steering is way more communicative than in a 458 or an F12. So you can build the speed with a greater knowledge of what's going on, peel away from the throttle mid-corner and the car neutralizes; and all the time the electronic rear differential is helping trim the line and the traction control is working hard. It'll allow a few degrees of slide before calmly reducing engine power and, in extreme cases, applying some brake.

Driven like this the LaF feels like a very fast 458 - and I mean that as the ultimate compliment. Where the LaF goes in a slightly different direction to the P1 is in simplifying the unfathomable complexity of what's underneath for the driving experience - and that's not to suggest that it's been expurgated or sanitized. There's no manual DRS or Boost button. Just two pedals, a wheel and a car that feels quite analogue, despite the vast amount of processors trimming the powertrain and chassis at pretty much all times.



The acceleration never becomes ordinary. Terrible though it sounds, after five laps, a 458 feels pretty slow around Fiorano. You exit turns on full throttle and live with the frustration of wanting more power to shorten the following straight; to punch you harder in the back. But in this car you never crave more. The traction control is often working into third gear and through the fast S on the back of the circuit it triggers in fourth. On a dry, warm surface.

The brakes are in isolation both a masterpiece and powerful enough to mean the optional race harness is necessary for any kind of track work. I really wasn't aware of any compromise in pedal feel as the regeneration kicked in. On the main straight you hit around 170mph and pin them from about 120m. The ABS fizzes and somehow you lose 120mph before turn one. After four fast laps they were very hot and very smelly, but pedal was still there. What I will say is that they lack the same sense of sheer omnipotence the P1's Akebono brakes offer - the McLaren feels like it brakes harder and would do so for longer before overheating the rotors. But you'd need to run a back-to-back to prove as much.

The P1's shape-shifting Track mode is also unmatched by the Ferrari. Further emphasising its role as a simple driving device it doesn't have an answer to the McLaren's crazy drop in ride height and massive aero increase. With all of its trickery deployed, I don't doubt that the British car would be the faster of the two over pretty much any given lap. Yes, the Ferrari's active aero is constantly working on the front and rear bodywork, but its influence on downforce is far less than on the British car's.



Switch everything off and you can feel the full effects of all that power and torque, and have some idea just how hard the systems have been working to maintain sanity and some rear tread depth. In second gear, a quarter prod of throttle sends the car into a lovely, controllable slide, anything more and you'll probably rotate. In third gear, half throttle will do the same - the torque delivery is just monumental, but not wholly unnatural. You just have this sense of instant urge, regardless of crank speed, and your brain adjusts accordingly. Best of all the power builds with the revs and from 7,000 to 9,000rpm the periphery of your vision becomes just a little soft-focused. And noise just keeps building.

You can play with angles in this car - you can revel in the fact that all the extensive ESP calibration isn't protecting the driver from some feral, snappy chassis. It's a complete joy. I found myself transfixed by the simplicity of the messages it sent back to me - I was trying to over-think what it was doing when in fact all it wanted me to do was get in and drive. Drive it straight and neat with the systems on, destroy the tyres with them off; it didn't matter which because both came naturally.



It was very difficult to test any of the charging claims at Fiorano, we were only running four fast laps at a time (ample for one's stomach) and the charge indicator level never dipped below full. Would it run a full lap of the Nurburgring without dipping back to a mere 800hp? I'm told it would.

Would you have one over a P1? I've promised myself that I wouldn't answer that question until I'd driven both on the same day and under the same conditions. The Ferrari is the more straightforward personality, in many ways the more complete product because it feels like a very fast version of a normal series production Ferrari. I love the styling, especially the pinched area behind the front arches, and I still can't believe how accessible they've made 963hp in a rear wheel machine. Have they over-sanitised it? Not at all. The first time you run it full beans in third gear, with the vague sensation that the front wheels want to lift off the ground, you concur that this is one of the most outrageous cars ever made. A Veyron is sliced-white by comparison.



And despite this, the P1 feels even less like it belongs to this planet than either. The styling is even more outrageous, the extended wings are madness and it can probably do things on track that lift it to another level. It can't match the Ferrari's perfect sounds, nor to my eyes its unfussy beauty. And it isn't a Ferrari, which to many people will mean it loses from the start.

I haven't done enough road driving in either to really call a difference. On the narrow streets near Modena the LaF is comically over-endowed, but visibility is very good, especially from those insectile wing-mirrors. There's even a bumpy road button to soften the dampers. I haven't mentioned the transmission because its so damn good you hardly know it's there. A shame for those who crave a manual, although there are some decent wallops in the neck under full power in race mode. Around town you just drop it into D and mooch. It couldn't be simpler.

The terminally cynical will probably be amused to learn that Ferrari's hypercar feels sensational around Ferrari's home circuit. But it's a superbly finished product with an operating window much wider than I'd expected. It is everything a limited series car from Maranello should be; that it happens to use electricity is immaterial because it is untraceable other than in ways which make your smile even broader. I'd like one on black.
http://pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=30047

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link??? where is this picture?? I want to seeeee

I enclose a picture of the motor's torque curve
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Fixed the post.
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great review, LaFerrari FTW!!!!!!!!

I still didn't see the torque curve tho but I'm not complaining.
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I think if I drove this car on a closed circuit all by myself, I would cum. Literally.
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Is it just me or does this thing look like a 458 with a hole in the side?



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the cars do have similar shapes, already been discussed
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I've heard some people think the Mustang looks like an Accord coupe.

...but they are crazy too.
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There is no seat, simply some padding fixed to the carbon tub and a wheel and pedals that move to meet you.
was wondering about this comment, guess he was just being witty.

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Originally Posted by MTEAZY
Is it just me or does this thing look like a 458 with a hole in the side?



25 years ago, if you said that these would be the future of supercars, I would not have been disappointed.
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Momma mia...

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HORY SHET

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weaksauce.jpg !!!

IS350 will good tires can do it faster
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Originally Posted by swoosh
weaksauce.jpg !!!

IS350 will good tires can do it faster
Must be because it has more aerodynamic mirrors
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would be it !!!

mostly those cars suffer due to shitty tires...now if you put some nice tires on them, they run faster and more stable than Agera R...


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Kumar here speaketh the truth. The IS350 could also beat Ron A in an arm-wrestling match with both hands tied behind its back. Truth.
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who would win?

IS350 vs RLX with upgraded tires?
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0-200 km/h is nuts. It looks so effortless.

Originally Posted by srika
was wondering about this comment, guess he was just being witty.


Fixed seat structures are integral with the composite tub. The car has custom-tailored trim, and the pedals and nearly square steering wheel move to suit the driver’s build.
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Poopdick with gold shoes...WYHI?



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Is this a chop or is it a real car?

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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
Is this a chop or is it a real car?

Chop, sir. Just concept photos of the F70 (future Poopdick McFartington).
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^^^^ Ooo.....I like that.



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