Buick: LaCrosse News
09-24-2009, 01:33 PM
#162
I'm the Firestarter
They should have started designing cars in China a long time ago. 
09-24-2009, 01:34 PM
#163
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I agree they are in the same general class/segment.
What I am saying is that is seems as if GM thinks the Lexus ES is the better target; hence the TV time with commercial I posted above. That means, GM thinks they can "beat" the Lexus in the buyers mind easier OR the Lacross is more directly comparable to the ES.
09-24-2009, 03:09 PM
#164
Ak Ting Up
I agree they are in the same general class/segment.
What I am saying is that is seems as if GM thinks the Lexus ES is the better target; hence the TV time with commercial I posted above. That means, GM thinks they can "beat" the Lexus in the buyers mind easier OR the Lacross is more directly comparable to the ES.
What I am saying is that is seems as if GM thinks the Lexus ES is the better target; hence the TV time with commercial I posted above. That means, GM thinks they can "beat" the Lexus in the buyers mind easier OR the Lacross is more directly comparable to the ES.
09-25-2009, 02:28 AM
#165
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It's a very sweet looking car and would definitely be on my list if I was looking to replace my 3g TL.
09-25-2009, 05:05 PM
#166
Suzuka Master
I love it!
and I still love my Enclave. No problems driving a Buick for me- I'm a car guy... I do the research and buy what I like. Branding is for girls
and I still love my Enclave. No problems driving a Buick for me- I'm a car guy... I do the research and buy what I like. Branding is for girls
09-26-2009, 01:30 AM
#167
אני עומד עם ישראל
I did test drive a GT and it was fun, but in the end I kept the TL. Back on topic, this Buick is quite the looker! Much much better then Acura's current abominations. It's pleasant and elegant.
09-26-2009, 02:41 AM
#168
Chloe @ 17mo
I want to like this car, but the high beltline styling doesn't work for me. Lots of great interior features and drivetrain options for the money, but the exterior still needs some work. If only the car was wider, visually.
09-26-2009, 02:42 AM
#169
Chloe @ 17mo
09-26-2009, 07:56 AM
#170
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This is FAR better looking than ANYTHING Acura has to offer right now! Period.
09-27-2009, 11:30 AM
#172
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09-27-2009, 11:33 AM
#173
09-28-2009, 02:47 AM
#174
Chloe @ 17mo
09-28-2009, 10:48 AM
#176
The sizzle in the Steak
The Buick direct injection V6 engine is nothing short of on par with Lexus et al.
6 speed tranny is on par.
AWD system with an electronic limited slip differential, and the ability to put 85% to the rear = awesome!
The damper system (magnetorheological dampers) are "basically" from the Vette.
fsttyms1 is correct.
09-28-2009, 11:12 AM
#177
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Wrong again.
The Buick direct injection V6 engine is nothing short of on par with Lexus et al.
6 speed tranny is on par.
AWD system with an electronic limited slip differential, and the ability to put 85% to the rear = awesome!
The damper system (magnetorheological dampers) are "basically" from the Vette.
fsttyms1 is correct.
The Buick direct injection V6 engine is nothing short of on par with Lexus et al.
6 speed tranny is on par.
AWD system with an electronic limited slip differential, and the ability to put 85% to the rear = awesome!
The damper system (magnetorheological dampers) are "basically" from the Vette.
fsttyms1 is correct.
09-28-2009, 11:25 AM
#178
Chloe @ 17mo
Wrong again.
The Buick direct injection V6 engine is nothing short of on par with Lexus et al.
6 speed tranny is on par.
AWD system with an electronic limited slip differential, and the ability to put 85% to the rear = awesome!
The damper system (magnetorheological dampers) are "basically" from the Vette.
fsttyms1 is correct.
The Buick direct injection V6 engine is nothing short of on par with Lexus et al.
6 speed tranny is on par.
AWD system with an electronic limited slip differential, and the ability to put 85% to the rear = awesome!
The damper system (magnetorheological dampers) are "basically" from the Vette.
fsttyms1 is correct.
09-28-2009, 11:43 AM
#179
The sizzle in the Steak
I'm not denying the tech specs being awesome, but the look of the car leave a lot to desire, thus, the statement isn't accurate. For me, this Buick doesn't offer the complete package and look is 45-50% of my purchasing decision. You don't like what Acura has to offer so his statement is true for you, so whatever.
This cars exterior and interior is getting rave reviews from pretty much EVERYONE in the industry. It's beautiful.....and that's not just my opinion.
09-28-2009, 12:07 PM
#180
Senior Moderator
I'm not denying the tech specs being awesome, but the look of the car leave a lot to desire, thus, the statement isn't accurate. For me, this Buick doesn't offer the complete package and look is 45-50% of my purchasing decision. You don't like what Acura has to offer so his statement is true for you, so whatever.
09-28-2009, 01:54 PM
#182
Chloe @ 17mo
Yes, because the writings of magazines are gospels of truth. I don't like the styling of the car. I didn't really like the TL's design in the beginning, but I like it in person. I don't mind being in the minority either.
09-28-2009, 02:25 PM
#183
The sizzle in the Steak
On the other hand, the TL is the exact opposite. At best you will find an article that says the TL's exterior is love it or hate it. That's as good as it gets.
09-28-2009, 02:52 PM
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Wrong again.
The Buick direct injection V6 engine is nothing short of on par with Lexus et al.
6 speed tranny is on par.
AWD system with an electronic limited slip differential, and the ability to put 85% to the rear = awesome!
The damper system (magnetorheological dampers) are "basically" from the Vette.
fsttyms1 is correct.
The Buick direct injection V6 engine is nothing short of on par with Lexus et al.
6 speed tranny is on par.
AWD system with an electronic limited slip differential, and the ability to put 85% to the rear = awesome!
The damper system (magnetorheological dampers) are "basically" from the Vette.
fsttyms1 is correct.
09-28-2009, 04:13 PM
#185
Instructor
This thread is totally being hijacked…for some reason every other thread has some comments on how crappy Acura cars are.Anyway, the LaCrosse does look like right direction for Buick like CTS for Caddy. Eventually Buick may change their image and build good reliable cars but it is definitively too early to say Buick is building better cars than Acura, or Lexus…at least for now. In the end, Buick is still going to be slotted in the bottom tier compared to other Luxury brands hampered by the Cadillac brand.
Maybe all the people who replied saying they would buy one should actually go out and put one in their driveway when it is available. This may speed up the transformation process.
09-28-2009, 04:42 PM
#186
The sizzle in the Steak
^^ Acura comments in a non Acura vehicle thread?!?!?
SHOCKER!!!!!
You would think this was some sort of Acura Forum Site.
SHOCKER!!!!!
You would think this was some sort of Acura Forum Site.
10-06-2009, 09:54 AM
#187
Safety Car
Looks Like a Lexus from the Rear
The LaCrosse has been completely redesigned for the 2010 model year, right down to its name (it was called the Allure in Canada up until 2009). It’s a much different vehicle from the Allure, so the name change couldn’t come at a more appropriate time.
Though it’s more expensive than last year’s model (up to $5,400 more, depending on what trim you compare), there is a lot more standard stuff packed into the new LaCrosse to help it compete with luxury midsize sedans such as the Lexus ES 350 and Acura TL. Keep in mind that just last year, Allure was aimed at the Chrysler 300 and Toyota Camry. Hey, so no one can accuse the new GM of backing down from a challenge.
Every LaCrosse gets a six-speed automatic transmission with driver shift control, power eight-way driver’s seat, leather-wrapped steering wheel, 17-inch wheels, and automatic climate control. That’s compared to last year’s four-speed automatic, power six-way seat, optional leather steering wheel, 16-inch wheels and optional auto climate control.
LaCrosse has a longer wheelbase than last year’s Allure, but is slightly shorter overall. With the wheels pushed out to the corners, it possesses a much sportier feel but we’ll get to that in just a moment.
The interior design was actually handled by GM in China, which may be why so many interior dimensions are decreased this year. Turning its back on any sort of the GM ‘more-is-more’ attitude from years past, there is a decrease in rear head room from last year’s model. That being said, the LaCrosse actually has more rear leg room than a BMW 750i. As a tall, long-legged person, I easily notice both those differences without having to read over any spec sheets. There is plenty of room to stretch my legs even with the seat in front of me moved far back, but my head hits the roof whenever I lean back.
Head, leg and hip room have all decreased in the front seats this year, but there are no problems getting and staying quite comfortable up front. The seats are strong and supportive, yet never cause a sore back or rump on hours-long trips. Most surprising of all is that the front seats are quite supportive during spirited driving (yeah, we did that!)
LaCrosse is built on a brand new global midsize architecture; it gets a stiffer body and an optional real-time damping system that is constantly monitoring body, wheel and lateral acceleration. Variable effort steering also comes standard on CXL and CXS trim levels, and the steering really does tighten up as you accelerate. Both the 3.0-litre and 3.6-litre V6s provide strong, brisk acceleration and give off a nice little snarl when the hammer is dropped. For the especially fuel-conscious among us, a 2.4-litre four-cylinder is available in December 2009.
The interior has a lot of personality as well, with an optional head-up display that is extremely useful and some equally-cool ambient lighting throughout, slick instrument cluster behind the steering wheel, and good fit-and-finish (with a cheap-feeling headliner being the only real weak point).
The 2010 LaCrosse is a fine new direction not only for the Buick brand, but for the new General Motors. It’s just the kind of vehicle that may get consumers to forget about the automaker’s recent troubles, and focus on what is most important to any car company - product.
Summary:
Year/Make/Model
2010 Buick LaCrosse
Trim level
CX, CXL, CXS
Price range
$32,745 - $40,745
Freight
$1,350
Options
all wheel drive
EneryGuide fuel economy ratings
12.7/7.7 L/100 km (3.0), 13.3/8.0 (AWD), 12.2/7.3 (3.6)
Warranty (basic)
3 years/60,000 km
Warranty (powertrain)
5 years/160,000 km
Competitors
Acura TL; Lexus ES 350
Strong Points
* - styling
* - handling
* - personality
Weak Points
* - too many buttons
* - rear seat headroom
Editors Rating:
Fuel consumption 3.5 *
Wait for the four-cylinder if fuel efficiency is most important.
Value for price 4 *
Price goes up but comes with many more standards.
Styling 4 *
Looks good from far; gets better as you move closer.
Comfort 4.5*
Excellent suspension, quiet interior, fantastic seats, lots of room.
Performance 4 *
A heck of a lot of fun.
Overall 4.5 *
Tough to pick out any significant weakness; strong new entry for Buick.
Year/Make/Model
2010 Buick LaCrosse
Trim level
CX, CXL, CXS
Price range
$32,745 - $40,745
Freight
$1,350
Options
all wheel drive
EneryGuide fuel economy ratings
12.7/7.7 L/100 km (3.0), 13.3/8.0 (AWD), 12.2/7.3 (3.6)
Warranty (basic)
3 years/60,000 km
Warranty (powertrain)
5 years/160,000 km
Competitors
Acura TL; Lexus ES 350
Strong Points
* - styling
* - handling
* - personality
Weak Points
* - too many buttons
* - rear seat headroom
Editors Rating:
Fuel consumption 3.5 *
Wait for the four-cylinder if fuel efficiency is most important.
Value for price 4 *
Price goes up but comes with many more standards.
Styling 4 *
Looks good from far; gets better as you move closer.
Comfort 4.5*
Excellent suspension, quiet interior, fantastic seats, lots of room.
Performance 4 *
A heck of a lot of fun.
Overall 4.5 *
Tough to pick out any significant weakness; strong new entry for Buick.
10-06-2009, 10:36 AM
#188
I'm the Firestarter
A few more years of this and GM reviews won't all have to start with an apology.
10-06-2009, 12:06 PM
#189
This by far is one of the nicest GM products to come out since their "Re-invention".
Buick has to also be very happy that after its first month of sales its already outselling the TL which is one of its major competitors.
Buick has to also be very happy that after its first month of sales its already outselling the TL which is one of its major competitors.
10-06-2009, 12:26 PM
#190
Senior Moderator
This is a very nice looking car, I'm just not sold on the interior, and I don't know how it drives. If it's a typical Buick, then no thanks. It's also a bit pricey, IMO, but it definitely has a very nice looking exterior. I could see myself buying this if a) it doesn't drive like a boat and b) I could get the price down.
10-06-2009, 02:38 PM
#191
Fahrvergnügen'd
I saw a white one two days ago with temp tags.
The white looks very good but hides all the effort of the designer ... Looks sort of like an RL to me but somehow like they cut a corner somewhere.
It's probably some sort of unconscious bias because I knew what it was the moment I saw it and thought it was executed pretty well.
The white looks very good but hides all the effort of the designer ... Looks sort of like an RL to me but somehow like they cut a corner somewhere.
It's probably some sort of unconscious bias because I knew what it was the moment I saw it and thought it was executed pretty well.
10-06-2009, 09:39 PM
#193
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10-07-2009, 09:19 AM
#197
This car looks really big.
Sedan CXL AWD
Base Price
$31,820
Drivetrain
All Wheel Drive
Curb Weight (lbs)
4199
City (MPG)
18 (est)
Hwy (MPG)
27 (est)
Horsepower
252 @ 6900
Torque (lb-ft)
215 @ 5100
Wheelbase (in.)
111.7
Length (in.)
196.9
Width (in.)
73.1
Height (in.)
59.2
The above specs are for the 3.0L AWD, so you can bet that the 3.6L will be a little heavier.
For comparison, the 2010 MKZ is 3800 lbs, and that car looks REALLY big in person.
Base Price
$36,005
Drivetrain
All Wheel Drive
Curb Weight (lbs)
3796
City (MPG)
17 (Est)
Hwy (MPG)
24 (Est)
Horsepower
263 @ 6250
Torque (lb-ft)
249 @ 4500
Wheelbase (in.)
107.4
Length (in.)
189.8
Width (in.)
72.2
Height (in.)
56.9
-These specs are from lln.
Cars seem to get bigger and bigger.
Sedan CXL AWD
Base Price
$31,820
Drivetrain
All Wheel Drive
Curb Weight (lbs)
4199
City (MPG)
18 (est)
Hwy (MPG)
27 (est)
Horsepower
252 @ 6900
Torque (lb-ft)
215 @ 5100
Wheelbase (in.)
111.7
Length (in.)
196.9
Width (in.)
73.1
Height (in.)
59.2
The above specs are for the 3.0L AWD, so you can bet that the 3.6L will be a little heavier.
For comparison, the 2010 MKZ is 3800 lbs, and that car looks REALLY big in person.
Base Price
$36,005
Drivetrain
All Wheel Drive
Curb Weight (lbs)
3796
City (MPG)
17 (Est)
Hwy (MPG)
24 (Est)
Horsepower
263 @ 6250
Torque (lb-ft)
249 @ 4500
Wheelbase (in.)
107.4
Length (in.)
189.8
Width (in.)
72.2
Height (in.)
56.9
-These specs are from lln.
Cars seem to get bigger and bigger.
10-07-2009, 09:48 AM
#198
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