Infamous425

it's not my first choice but i'd definitely buy one over a new acura

titan

I agree with you on the pricing issue. It's crucial for GM to get it right the first time, or this car may be doomed from the start. That said, I expect a fully loaded CXS to be a little closer to 37-38K. The equipment levels justify that price, but more importantly, it's still thousands less than the ES350. For all trim levels, this car should be a better value than the ES350.

ostrich

It surely is a huge leap forward for Buick and GM. Though it looks really good now, I am still concerned about the long-term quality issues because GM does not have a good track record for that yet. They need to establish that quickly, but it is a bit tough now with all the financial issues over their future. So I probably will still pick the TL over this.

I don't get it - why does it take GM so long to produce something like this??? Do they really have to be completely broke and desperate to produce something decent?

agranado

ostrich, you would pick a new TL over this? you may need to check your eye prescription.

titan

I'm not worried about that. Buick's long term quality as ranked at the top of the ranks for many years now. I look forward to seeing JD Power's Initial quality report to see what that tells us.

agranado

I wonder if buick does lease trades... lol

ostrich

I absolutely would buy a TL over this. First, I don't need to have my eye prescription checked, because style preference is quite a subjective thing, and I think that the TL looks OK to me. Second, Buicks would not have the same reliability and resale value as an Acura. Third, would you be seen driving a Buick? I would NOT. At least not for now.

It's so easy to say that one would do this, one would do that online... but when one really is about to part with one's hard-earned cash, one probably would still go with the most sensible and reliable choice... and to me, Acura is definitely preferred over Buick at this moment in time.

I would love for you to post enthusiastically over the Buick enthusiasts forum... is there such a thing!? LOL

titan

^ Conversely, your post is exactly what's still wrong with Buick, and the hole that GM has dug for itself as far as Buick and many of it's other brands; perception. Buicks are extremely reliable. However, they've looked like crap for years, and it's image is that of an old folks car. They've got to change their perception; part of it starts with product, and the new Lacrosse is definitely ready to shatter that image. The other components include marketing and customer service. Also, the rest of the lineup has to be upgraded to the Lacrosse's par, or it's all for nothing.

majin ssj eric

I wouldn't buy this car because its front wheel drive but I would absolutely buy the new CTS. GM is coming along very nicely....

Type34

The only snag I see in rolling out the Lacrosse is the dealer network of Buick-GMC-Pontiac.

In 2006 when we were looking to replace our Ford Escape (and ended up with the MDX), we were serious about the GMC Envoy Denali. When we went to our local Buick-GMC-Pontiac dealer in Orange County, it was a relative dump.

The chairs were like 1985-brown and the desks were randomly scattered about...it was embarrassing. We were looking at a near-$50K vehicle and we were sitting on a coffee-stained chair in some pseudo-cubicle. If the Buick-GMC-Pontiac dealers are serious about selling vehicles like the Lacrosse to buyers like me, then they need to renovate their dealerships asap.

titan

That's the sole reservation I have with this car.

titan

+1. Though the dealerships down here (in New Orleans) aren't as bad as that, they're still "regular." Buick is supposed to be aspiration, as is GMC. Pontiac will be on life support in a few years, and you'll really have just the two marques on the floor. The B-P-G network certainly needs to be upgraded to help inviting customers in to buy more expensive cars. Also, it'll also improve the perceived brand image of Buick and GMC.

JediMindTricks

wow.

Moog-Type-S

On the flip side of the coin are their really any more Acura enthusiasts around? They are a dying breed.

Costco

Oh, there'll be plenty. Once the kids with Civics, Integras, RSXs, Fits, etc. grow up a little more they'll start graduating to Acuras.

Buick is starting to inject youth into their brand with the Enclave and now this LaCrosse. Err.... well, at least more people in their late 20's and 30's compared to those eligible for pension as in the past.

Moog-Type-S

Doubtful....clearly you have not seen the beak.

Until Acura changes things....completely.....consumers are going to walk away in droves.

Costco

You have a point there. Hmm.... maybe Acura is testing the resolve of its Honda fanboys???

AATSX

Acura TSX and TL both are still awesome cars and i would take them over buick and GM any day, yea it is new style for the TL and a new generation but it is the future and Acura knows what they are doing, i don't doubt them for a second. It is a different look from what people expected but it is still a sexy car to have so i believe it just has to grow on people. 2nd of all why in the world we talking about Buicks vs. Acura comon dont you see the big picture ?

THERE IS NONE

acura and buick dont go in same sentence, i admit buick improved, but they are still 5 years behind acura, lexus, bmw, mercedes, infiniti any top of the line car.

Basically lets put it like this what Buick finally learned and remembered what to do, Acura done it, and forgot it. That is just the way it is Acura is the future with BMW,MERCEDES BENZ, INFINITI,LEXUS period.

Good try buick.

titan

Putting Acura in the company of BMW, MB, Et all is also a joke...

AATSX

well actually they are very comparable (yea their names and prices are well documentaed internationally) but very much of the models are luxury and powerful like them, and also acura,lexus,infiniti wasnt around for as long as MB, BMW

some would say lexus is on top over MB and BMW they are economical and performance is right up there along with luxury so...this dispute can go on forever but in of the day, in nutshell they are similar and comparable in many ways.

titan

No, they're not. Acura's not Tier 1 Luxury, no matter how one would love for them to be. Neither Infiniti nor Acura has a proper flagship. Atleast Infiniti's lineup is RWD, like MB and BMW. Lexus is the only Japanese luxury car manufacturer who is on par with the Germans. I love Infiniti and Acura but they're simply not there yet. Infiniti is close, but it's missing a few pieces in it's lineup; notably the Q. Acura still doesn't have RWD, and it still doesn't offer a V8 in it's lineup; two of it's three sedans are seen by many as tarted up Accord variants. Sure, Acura's on the "right path," but they ARE NOT on par with the Germans, or Lexus for that matter. Period.

Ashburner

I really like this car!

Just from personal experience, our Buick Enclave has been flawless. It is such a better vehicle inside then the '07 Yukon we replaced. We've got almost 19K miles on it and it is still just as quiet inside and smooth riding as it was the first week. No rattles at all! No other problems whatsoever.

Honestly, I have no problems riding around in a Buick at age 30. The ride is amazing

agranado

I will admit that the 3g and 2g TL's were hot cars... no doubt. I was desperate to drop my 1gCL for a used 2gTL back when I started looking around about a year ago.

However, this new 4gTL is just not doing the Acura brand right with that awful exterior styling.

Buick's Lacrosse is clean and good looking exterior wise, the interior is just absolutely great and in my opinion can give this TL a run.

And maybe in the future Acura runs alongside MB, Lexus, Infiniti, etc... Right now, it's not anywhere near that level. They're trying with this "whatever edge" design, but its just heaps of fail everywhere you look.


and buick and acura have more in common than you may think.

Think about it.. this car will probably share many features with the TL, is powered similarly to the TL, and has FWD like the TL. If Buick can market the shit out of this car, there's nothing to say that people wont say "hmm, there's this TL and a new Buick we can go check out."

Features seem like they'll be on par with each other, design (in my opinion) go to buick, and price will probably go to buick as well...


in fact, imagine this for the sake of comparison.. Buick Lacrosse (underdog first year contender) vs Acura TL / TSX (established FWD entry lux market contender) Audi A4 (Step up FWD lux market) vs Lexus ES (creme de le crop of this FWD entry market share)

AcuraVic

I just saw the 2010 Buick Lacross. It is direct competition to the current TL.

Fully loaded it is $38,900, which includes
19" wheels
280 HP V6
6 speed auto with sport mode
USB port
40 gig hard drive
XM
Navi
Spoiler kit
Heads up display
blue ambient lighting
100K powertrain warranty
Its a good looking car, inside and out (outside reminds me of a Camry)

AcuraVic

SG81

iTrader: (1)

but is it available in manual?

AcuraVic

AcuraVic

I don't think so, and that does give the TL an advantage. How easy is it to get the 4g TL in a manual tranny?

AcuraVic

SG81

iTrader: (1)

i read in the 4g forums that they're mostly pre sold, so i guess you'd have to wait a bit. for me, a manual tranny is very important. it's the difference between me considering a car or scratching it off my list.

but don't get me wrong. the Buick is a very nice car

AcuraVic

I feel ya, I wanted a manual 3g but didn't have the patience to wait.

I started this thread because I am impressed with this sedan, coming from an American car company. It is great looking with a good price point (base is 33K), fully loaded is under 40K, and has a good warranty.
I think Buick hit the "bullseye" on the sedan target.

Also, I'm a little frustrated because I am ready to move up to a sedan a little bigger than the 3g TL, but I don't like the current RL.

thevikas87

iTrader: (2)

I'm not going to lie, it definitely looks very impressive. But honestly...to some people (including me) image is somewhat important (alongside how well it drives, and performance, etc). At the end of the day it is still a buick...

AcuraVic

AcuraVic

I agree, and I haven't seen a review of the performance other than a mention of its smooth ride, which is expected of a Buick.

dallison

nice looking car, but resale would worry me since gm cars some seem to fare well. msrp seems too high unless they are giving the usual 10k off.

Bearcat94

Maybe, but based on the commercial I saw yesterday, they are specifically targeting the Lexus ES350.

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Not really. Or not enough to matter.

Something like 95% of the public want and drive AT. I'd guess ~98%+ of those considering the Lacross or ES350 would NOT be swayed by lack of an MT option.

Moog-Type-S

Beautiful!

If Buick stays on this track, in a few short years, resale will be up, and so will the image of driving a Buick.

Nice work GM.

AcuraVic

You think the MSRP is high considering all the options on the "loaded" model?

The local dealer (Atlanta) says the loaded model is $38,750, with a $500 rebate.
And, they will give an additional $500 rebate ($1000 total) if you waive the 60 day return program.
O.K., I think GM is sending the wrong message bargaining the 60 day return program.

AcuraVic

The Buick website lists the TL among others (ES350) that they are competing...

Also, there is an ad on Acurazine that says LaCross vs TL , LaCross wins.

nokiaman

I really like the way it looks as well, especially from the rear. The Lacrosse and the Lincoln MKS are some of the best looking cars to come out recently.