Notices
Automotive News
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

BMW: Development and Technology News

 
Old 09-14-2008, 06:23 PM
  #161  
Moderator Alumnus
Thread Starter
 
gavriil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Washington DC (NOVA)
Age: 47
Posts: 16,399
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Originally Posted by TMQ View Post
well, turbo for sure, but given the twin turbo technology available across the board at BMW for the inline6, V8, the 123d twin turbo diesel, and the 1.6L I4 in the MINI, it's natural to assume that it will come to the gasoline I4. One turbo just can't eliminate all that lag.

http://www.bimmerfile.com/2008/09/10...ment/#more-646

The MINI Cooper S's engine is not twin turboed.
gavriil is offline  
Old 09-15-2008, 04:13 AM
  #162  
Registered Member
 
biker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Fairfax, VA
Age: 54
Posts: 11,552
Liked 108 Times in 86 Posts
Originally Posted by JS + TL View Post
The article on top said they are coming out with 4 cylinder to cut the pricing point (significant amount, I'm assuming)
That's my main point - I don't think the price cut will be significant. It may look that way because they cut out a lot of content - like OMG, don't say it - cloth seats. Oh, the horor - a BMW with cloth seats.
biker is offline  
Old 09-15-2008, 07:55 AM
  #163  
Moderator Alumnus
Thread Starter
 
gavriil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Washington DC (NOVA)
Age: 47
Posts: 16,399
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Originally Posted by biker View Post
That's my main point - I don't think the price cut will be significant. It may look that way because they cut out a lot of content - like OMG, don't say it - cloth seats. Oh, the horor - a BMW with cloth seats.

They will also have the argument of less mpg. Although when you annualize the savings, they will be dismal. Btw, I love good cloth seats by BMW. In some cases I prefer them to leather. Other German manufacturers have really high quality cloth seats. It's very stereotypical in America. If it's leather it's better and it deserves a premium price.
gavriil is offline  
Old 09-15-2008, 08:15 AM
  #164  
Senior Moderator
 
F23A4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Age: 50
Posts: 16,462
Liked 476 Times in 317 Posts
Originally Posted by gavriil View Post
They will also have the argument of less mpg. Although when you annualize the savings, they will be dismal. Btw, I love good cloth seats by BMW. In some cases I prefer them to leather. Other German manufacturers have really high quality cloth seats. It's very stereotypical in America. If it's leather it's better and it deserves a premium price.
Generally,
F23A4 is offline  
Old 09-15-2008, 11:32 AM
  #165  
TMQ
Registered Member
 
TMQ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: North by Northwest
Age: 42
Posts: 607
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Originally Posted by gavriil View Post
The MINI Cooper S's engine is not twin turboed.
correction, it's a twin scroll turbo, which reduces turbo lag nicely.

I wonder what's in the planning with Acura's turbo?
TMQ is offline  
Old 09-15-2008, 05:20 PM
  #166  
Moderator Alumnus
Thread Starter
 
gavriil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Washington DC (NOVA)
Age: 47
Posts: 16,399
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Originally Posted by TMQ View Post
correction, it's a twin scroll turbo, which reduces turbo lag nicely.

I wonder what's in the planning with Acura's turbo?
Yeah twin scroll turbos have been used for a few years now. The turbo in the RDX is equipped with a TS turbo if I remember correctly.

For Acura I think we will see the same tech we saw in the RDX's engine follow in for other offerings. I am not expecting any big news.

What I am wondering about is Mercedes' turbo tech coming up soon.
gavriil is offline  
Old 09-20-2008, 09:55 AM
  #167  
socialism= the suck
 
stright-(paint)balling's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Age: 37
Posts: 3,023
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by gavriil View Post
Yeah twin scroll turbos have been used for a few years now. The turbo in the RDX is equipped with a TS turbo if I remember correctly.

For Acura I think we will see the same tech we saw in the RDX's engine follow in for other offerings. I am not expecting any big news.

What I am wondering about is Mercedes' turbo tech coming up soon.
about Benz: I heard on some car show some rumor Benz is gonna offer at least 1 turbo motor in every class. HOWEVER i don't see this before 2011 or 2012 model year. because they gotta redesign the motor by dropping compression. plus with the new E class dropping in 2010 i promise you about all the Benz engineers are putting finishing touches on it.
stright-(paint)balling is offline  
Old 09-20-2008, 12:51 PM
  #168  
I drive a Subata.
iTrader: (1)
 
JS + XES's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Socal
Age: 34
Posts: 20,129
Liked 2,390 Times in 1,477 Posts
^ Dude, no offense but do you work for Mercedes or something? How can you be so sure? That's pretty bold.
JS + XES is offline  
Old 09-21-2008, 10:43 AM
  #169  
Moderator Alumnus
Thread Starter
 
gavriil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Washington DC (NOVA)
Age: 47
Posts: 16,399
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Originally Posted by stright-(paint)balling View Post
about Benz: I heard on some car show some rumor Benz is gonna offer at least 1 turbo motor in every class. HOWEVER i don't see this before 2011 or 2012 model year. because they gotta redesign the motor by dropping compression. plus with the new E class dropping in 2010 i promise you about all the Benz engineers are putting finishing touches on it.

Yes MB will offer turbo engines on all offerings by 2012
gavriil is offline  
Old 09-21-2008, 10:43 AM
  #170  
Moderator Alumnus
Thread Starter
 
gavriil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Washington DC (NOVA)
Age: 47
Posts: 16,399
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Originally Posted by JS + TL View Post
^ Dude, no offense but do you work for Mercedes or something? How can you be so sure? That's pretty bold.
There was a press release out last month about this.
gavriil is offline  
Old 09-21-2008, 01:38 PM
  #171  
I drive a Subata.
iTrader: (1)
 
JS + XES's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Socal
Age: 34
Posts: 20,129
Liked 2,390 Times in 1,477 Posts
^ ooh. gotcha. good thing I said it with "no offense"
JS + XES is offline  
Old 09-21-2008, 02:49 PM
  #172  
Registered Member
 
ThermonMermon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: NYC
Age: 34
Posts: 3,951
Liked 57 Times in 46 Posts
its outrageous that the 1 series doesnt have an I4. they wonder why it isnt selling well due to high pricing :sigh:

personally, i wouldnt spend the extra $$ to get BMW performance and have the smallest engine option. but hey, bring the I4, the more the merrier. should absolutely improve overall sales in North America. Only downfall i could think of is that it could bring down the general consesus that a luxury manufacturer would go as low as offering a 4 cylinder in their line-up.
ThermonMermon is offline  
Old 09-22-2008, 04:20 AM
  #173  
Registered Member
 
biker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Fairfax, VA
Age: 54
Posts: 11,552
Liked 108 Times in 86 Posts
Look at the thread on the MB C class. A turbo diesel 4 is coming to a whole range of MB cars - some of which may make it to the US. BMW won't be too far behind.

I think everyone got the memo by now - mileage matters and the number of cyclinders doesn't.
biker is offline  
Old 09-22-2008, 06:52 AM
  #174  
intelligentsia
 
SRK85's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Land of cheap vodka, hot girls, and great nightlife
Age: 33
Posts: 4,378
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Excatly fuck I wish euro specced cars where available in the US. Hell the XF turbo diesel 2.7 litre gets 37mpg. Why can't BMW make a 320D with 200hp and about 40mpg.
SRK85 is offline  
Old 03-10-2009, 01:34 PM
  #175  
Registered Member
 
krio's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Age: 45
Posts: 1,751
Liked 67 Times in 53 Posts
BMW: Future Models news



We've got some exciting news on the BMW front. Sources over at Germancarzone, say BMW is planning a GT version of the next-gen BMW 6 Series. They also claim BMW is working on a Z2, to be introduced later this year, a 3 Series Supersports, and a new MINI model.

Just a short while after the introduction of the BMW 5 Series GT, the German automaker looks to be in the concept development stage of a BMW GT 6. This concept would be based on the platform for the new 6 Series, expected to hit the market at the end of 2010. Look for it to have some design cues similar to the on-again-off-again BMW CS Concept, with suicide doors in back. The rear-hinged doors should make entering and exiting the car very easy for backseat passengers, while maintaining a flowing look thanks to the elimination of the B-pillar. If it goes to dealerships, a 6 Series GT would be a natural competitor to the Audi A7 Sportback, the Mercedes-Benz CLS, and the forthcoming Porsche Panamera.

Also interesting is the talk of a BMW Z2. Alleged to be near completion, the car could see the light of day at the Frankfurt Motor Show this September. If the Z2 goes into production soon, it would be the first time BMW has assembled two different Z Series roadsters concurrently.

Rumor also has it that BMW is putting together the BMW 335i Supersports. The SS level would bring the car almost to the level of the M3, with various performance upgrades. Some of these could include use of more lightweight materials, better suspension, bigger brakes, and possibly an additional engine choice.

Lastly, BMW may be looking to continue the expansion of their British brand MINI, with the development of the MINI SpaceBox. We are not sure what this could be. After all, the upcoming MINI Crossover is expected to be about four meters long, only five centimeters longer than the Clubman. Perhaps the SpaceBox is something akin to the Volkswagen Bus. A true "MINIvan," if you will.

We look forward to additional information on any of these models. As soon as we get new news we'll let you know.
krio is offline  
Old 03-11-2009, 05:27 AM
  #176  
Registered Member
 
biker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Fairfax, VA
Age: 54
Posts: 11,552
Liked 108 Times in 86 Posts
In the current climate for car makers, I'd be very dubious of any future niche vehicle annoucements actually making it to market.
biker is offline  
Old 03-11-2009, 07:06 PM
  #177  
TMQ
Registered Member
 
TMQ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: North by Northwest
Age: 42
Posts: 607
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Z2 is a model that I know a lot of people would love to have, if offered in turbo 4, and with soft top it will be light.

Supersports sounds interesting.
TMQ is offline  
Old 03-11-2009, 10:25 PM
  #178  
Senior Moderator
 
Yumcha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 146,126
Liked 14,824 Times in 9,189 Posts
BMW: Partnered with NASA to Develop Next Gen EfficientDynamics

From WCF...

Only outer space is the limit for BMW it seems. The Bavarian automaker has begun working with the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) on its next-generation EfficientDynamics fuel and eco-saving technologies.

Speaking to the UK's CAR Online magazine, head of development Klaus Draeger said the tie-up would result in a saving of up to 5% in economy which is a larger saving than current EfficientDynamics technologies combined. These currently include features like brake energy regeneration and stop-start. EfficientDynamics meets 2012 and 2015 EU regulations.

Basically how the NASA system works is that thermoelectric generators or TEGs similar in principle to those that power satellites convert heat differences between radioactive metals to generate electricity. BMW has fitted a TEG to a prototype's exhaust system to make about 200kW of power. What that means is that some of the heat which is generated by combustion is converted to electric energy. This energy is then fed into the car's power supply for systems like climate control which swallow up good heaps of power.

Prototype equipment is already being out to the test. Series production cars will have the necessary equipment fitted within the next five years. To make the systems work even better BMW is including a new 8-speed automatic gearbox to volume cars instead of the new 7-speed double-clutch gearbox.
Yumcha is offline  
Old 03-12-2009, 12:03 PM
  #179  
The sizzle in the Steak
 
Moog-Type-S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Southern California
Posts: 71,438
Liked 1,876 Times in 1,296 Posts
Nice to see more MFG. getting on the converting spent heat to energy bandwagon.
Moog-Type-S is offline  
Old 03-16-2009, 10:28 PM
  #180  
socialism= the suck
 
stright-(paint)balling's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Age: 37
Posts: 3,023
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by TMQ View Post
Z2 is a model that I know a lot of people would love to have, if offered in turbo 4, and with soft top it will be light.

Supersports sounds interesting.
Z2 sounds like a soltice GXP fighter
stright-(paint)balling is offline  
Old 03-17-2009, 09:20 AM
  #181  
What Would Don Draper Do?
 
JediMindTricks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Houston
Age: 38
Posts: 22,229
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
been into hatches over the past 3 years or so. i'd like to see the bmw hatch come here.
JediMindTricks is offline  
Old 03-18-2009, 01:57 PM
  #182  
socialism= the suck
 
stright-(paint)balling's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Age: 37
Posts: 3,023
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by JediMindTricks View Post
been into hatches over the past 3 years or so. i'd like to see the bmw hatch come here.
i could see BMW doing a 135 hatch but i doubt if a 3 series hatch will come back.
stright-(paint)balling is offline  
Old 05-25-2009, 01:33 AM
  #183  
Senior Moderator
 
Yumcha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 146,126
Liked 14,824 Times in 9,189 Posts
BMW: ConnectedDrive news **To Steer Drivers Away from Bad Weather (page 1)**

Neat!

From Motor Authority: http://www.motorauthority.com/new-gp...d-weather.html

We've already heard of GPS systems that can help us dodge traffic jams and get home quicker, but what about a GPS system that can get you home drier? BMW is introducing just such a system, and for those choosing to use it the special GPS unit will help navigate them away from rain and hail and towards blue skies and sunshine.

Described as an on-board precipitation radar, BMW says the system will be useful for drivers with convertibles, as well as helping all drivers to avoid damage to their cars from hail. Featuring a graphic display, the system is updated every 15 minutes with weather information, showing drivers the geographic distribution of rain, snow and hail. The system shows this information for both the current location and the destination in real-time.

Additionally, BMW will be trying to get a leg up on its competitors' similar products with a new feature called Precipitation Pattern that’s planned for introduction in July and will allow users to see an animated representation of cloud movement from the previous 90 minutes.

The system is on offer in Germany at the moment, and will be compatible with any cars using BMW's ConnectedDrive, meaning it could be fairly easy to incorporate into American vehicles - whether or not BMW will offer this service in North America, however, remains uncertain but there shouldn't be too many hurdles in bringing it over.
Yumcha is offline  
Old 05-25-2009, 07:32 AM
  #184  
Registered Member
 
biker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Fairfax, VA
Age: 54
Posts: 11,552
Liked 108 Times in 86 Posts
As if the driver is not distracted enough already - I can't believe the strict Germans would even allow something like this in cars. I mean this is the same company that only begrudgingly added cup holders to its 5 series.
biker is offline  
Old 08-11-2010, 05:36 AM
  #185  
99 TL, 06 E350
 
Black Tire's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Toronto
Age: 39
Posts: 5,030
Liked 163 Times in 109 Posts
BMW 354 hp tri-turbo diesel engine scheduled for 2011

http://www.bmwcoop.com/2010/01/19/bm...uled-for-2011/

BMW will launch in 2011 at the Frankfurt Motor Show ,the new tri-turbo diesel engine, capable to develop 354 horsepower and 700 Nm, engine which is expected to equip X5 and X6 models. BMW is currently developing a new diesel engine, which is preparing to break existing patterns in terms of power and consumption. Bavarians want for some time, a tri-turbo unit capable to compete with V8 engines of the other German manufacturers.

It seems that the development process goes well and the premium manufacturer plans to launch the tri-turbo diesel in the autumn of next year at the Motor Show in Frankfurt. Currently we know about the new engine that would be a unit with 3.0 liter and six-cylinder.

Such a version three turbochargers would develop a total of 354 horsepower and an impressive torque: over 700 Nm. With this baggage of power, BMW will be able to withstand some V8 engines from Audi and Mercedes. Tri-turbo engine will be mated to an automatic gearbox with eight reports, developed by BMW together with specialists from ZF, currently found in Bavarians range on the new 5-Series GT.

There will be also the Efficient Dynamics technology, regenerative force brake and start-stop. First models to get under the hood the new six-cylinder unit will be BMW X5 and X6, following versions will be named “xDrive 45d”.

Source: Autoblog

Black Tire is offline  
Old 08-11-2010, 06:58 AM
  #186  
Senior Moderator
 
fsttyms1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Appleton WI
Age: 44
Posts: 81,348
Liked 3,004 Times in 2,084 Posts
Nice. Now where is hondas Diesel
fsttyms1 is offline  
Old 08-11-2010, 07:25 AM
  #187  
Registered Member
 
krio's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Age: 45
Posts: 1,751
Liked 67 Times in 53 Posts
triturbo... funny
krio is offline  
Old 08-11-2010, 07:52 AM
  #188  
Pinky all stinky
 
phile's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 20,499
Liked 118 Times in 71 Posts
^ it sounds silly
phile is offline  
Old 08-11-2010, 07:53 AM
  #189  
Registered Member
 
biker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Fairfax, VA
Age: 54
Posts: 11,552
Liked 108 Times in 86 Posts
Right, cause the current bi-turbo is not expensive and complex enough.

Is this the new marketing slogan - my engine has more turbos than your engine?
biker is offline  
Old 08-11-2010, 08:36 AM
  #190  
Senior Moderator
 
F23A4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Age: 50
Posts: 16,462
Liked 476 Times in 317 Posts
Then Bugatti still leads the pack on turbo count. But that 516 lb-ft sounds like it could rip up some asphalt with the right set of tires.
F23A4 is offline  
Old 08-11-2010, 09:20 AM
  #191  
My first Avatar....
 
pttl's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: NJ
Posts: 12,027
Liked 2,393 Times in 1,374 Posts
Originally Posted by biker View Post
Right, cause the current bi-turbo is not expensive and complex enough.
Exactly what i thought.

How many breakdowns will there be?
pttl is online now  
Old 08-11-2010, 10:16 AM
  #192  
אני עומד עם ישראל
 
Hapa DC5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Los Gatos, CA
Posts: 9,860
Liked 808 Times in 520 Posts
Originally Posted by biker View Post
Right, cause the current bi-turbo is not expensive and complex enough.

Is this the new marketing slogan - my engine has more turbos than your engine?
they are just making these cars that much more difficult and expensive to work on.
Hapa DC5 is offline  
Old 08-11-2010, 02:12 PM
  #193  
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,752
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Are the current biturbo diesels unreliable?
MyCarIsntInMyWifesName is offline  
Old 08-11-2010, 02:20 PM
  #194  
Registered Member
 
rossv1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Macon,GA
Age: 26
Posts: 5,843
Liked 851 Times in 672 Posts
Just think, in a few years they will be introducing their octuple-turbo diesel engine.
rossv1 is offline  
Old 08-11-2010, 02:48 PM
  #195  
Fahrvergnügen'd
 
charliemike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Maryland
Age: 47
Posts: 13,101
Liked 1,392 Times in 865 Posts
"My engine is just one big turbo"
charliemike is offline  
Old 08-11-2010, 05:32 PM
  #196  
Senior Moderator
 
Crazy Bimmer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Chicago Burbs
Age: 38
Posts: 34,940
Liked 637 Times in 276 Posts
Originally Posted by MyCarIsntInMyWifesName View Post
Are the current biturbo diesels unreliable?



BMWs diesel engines are pretty damn good. They been making them for many years.
Crazy Bimmer is offline  
Old 08-11-2010, 07:26 PM
  #197  
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,752
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Crazy Acura View Post


BMWs diesel engines are pretty damn good. They been making them for many years.
That's what I thought. But I figure people have to bitch about reliability in anything European.
MyCarIsntInMyWifesName is offline  
Old 08-11-2010, 08:40 PM
  #198  
Alright, alright, alright
 
Legend2TL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 12,034
Liked 1,666 Times in 1,094 Posts
That exhaust header must have more cuves than a plate of spagetti. None the less it sounds like another great motor from BMW.
Legend2TL is online now  
Old 08-11-2010, 11:02 PM
  #199  
Punk Rocker
 
majin ssj eric's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: St Simons Island, GA
Age: 40
Posts: 3,574
Liked 70 Times in 53 Posts
No thanks, I'll stick with their gasoline engines!
majin ssj eric is offline  
Old 08-13-2010, 08:51 AM
  #200  
Corn-Fed Mule
 
jim165's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: All Up In Dat AZZ...Beotch!
Posts: 224
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Damnit BMW, use some of that money and research effort to make your cars more reliable instead of introducing a new model and engine every 12 hours
jim165 is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Quick Reply: BMW: Development and Technology News


Contact Us - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

© 2019 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands

We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.