BMW: Development and Technology News
From AutoExpress:
Engineers at BMW are developing a 3.5-litre performance version of the 1-Series, the firm's forthcoming small family car. Although the newcomer won't wear M-badges, as other sports models do, it will rival the 3.2-litre Audi A3 and Volvo S40R, featured in last week's issue. With a choice of manual and semi-auto SMG gearboxes, the hot model will arrive early in 2005. The entry-level 1-Series is due in the UK late next year, powered by a new 115bhp 1.6-litre valvetronic engine. |
Reminder: The 3.2 liter V6 in the Audi/VW cars makes about 240HP-250HP.
I have posted elsewhere as a rumor that BMW's 3.5 liter engine is of uncertain configuration currently, although most clues lean towards a V6 design and it will make around 275HP when installed on a 3 series car. |
it's gonna be a V6? not an I?
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Originally posted by danny25 it's gonna be a V6? not an I? |
Wow BMW is throwing away all of their heritage. No I?
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LOL, I think that Chris Bangle (dunno if he handles powertrains) is trying to bring 'em down...corporate espionage anyone?
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Originally posted by Gilgamesh LOL, I think that Chris Bangle (dunno if he handles powertrains) is trying to bring 'em down...corporate espionage anyone? Hehehehe... |
chris bangle is bad news
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Originally posted by gavriil Rumors call for a V6. But it's just rumors. |
as far as i know bangle has nothing to do with the engines their putting in the cars... so stop hating.
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it'll be inline, this IS bmw, remember that
bangle designes the cars, not the engines, right? |
Originally posted by Maximized Where did the rumors come from? I can almost gaurantee it will be an inline engine. BMW favors inlines for their smoothness and nice tq band. As I said, they are rumors. It could be an I6. Personally, I am guessing it will be a V6. We'll see. |
Originally posted by soopa as far as i know bangle has nothing to do with the engines their putting in the cars... so stop hating. |
BMW Registered Denotations **3.5L engine, V12 5-Series, V12 6-Series, 3.5L 1-Series**
Here is what Bayerische Motoren Werke AG has registered as far as vehicle denotations:
H 7 = Only for Germany 225, 230, 425, 430, 435, 650, 660 = Only for the USA! 125, 130 = Only for the USA 560 = EU and the USA 135 = Germany only |
My guess:
H 7 = This sounds like a big vehicle not slated for the USA yet. Probably a van, or minivan. 225, 230 = 3 and 2.5 liter 2-Series cars. No big deal, pretty much expected. 425, 430 = same as above. So we now know the 2 and the 4 Series will carry on with the 3 liter engine. But I am guessing it will be a revised 3 liter engine. Possibly with direct injection. 435 = Now that's very revealing. Further proof of the rumored 3.5 liter V6? 650 = This is very surprising. Could this be the engine from the current M5 car with the 400HP? 660 = This is also very surprising. I am guessing this is the engine from the V12 7 series car. 125, 130 = No big deal here. Expected. 560 = So the V12 will be going into the new 5 series? Wow! 135 = This actually was rumored, by Autoexpress I believe. It is supposed to be the answer from BMW to the R32 and S3 from VW and Audi. But why registered in Germany only?!? Lots of surpirses above.... |
So the 1 series will have the 225hp 3.0 from the 3 series? That's going to be one quick little car.
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why would they put a larger engine in the non m 5 series?
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Originally posted by Python2121 why would they put a larger engine in the non m 5 series? |
Originally posted by AcuraFan So the 1 series will have the 225hp 3.0 from the 3 series? That's going to be one quick little car. |
Originally posted by Python2121 why would they put a larger engine in the non m 5 series? why not? Benz does it. |
Originally posted by soopa why not? Benz does it. |
Originally posted by titan Yeah, but that's only for the S, CL, and SL classes. Not the E-class. That'd be wild to put the V12 in the 5-Series. |
it the H7 the armored 7 series? I saw one on discovery channel that bmw sold straight from the factory. :dunno:
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Originally posted by nandowong it the H7 the armored 7 series? I saw one on discovery channel that bmw sold straight from the factory. :dunno: You know... I betcha that's the Hydrogen 7 series car what BMW has shown in concept/prototype trim. |
Yep, I'm almost positive that the H7 is the Hydrogen powered.
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Wow. Hydrogen? That's an interesting fuel source. I like the fact that alot of the automakers are making real efforts to improve fuel efficiency or use an alternative source.
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so, is this all just speculation?? :dunno:
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http://news.bmwboard.com/news/images...ies_h_0001.jpg
In the new Science Center of Montreal, the BMW Group showed the international delegates and Canadian guests its automobile concepts for the future: the BMW 745h as a prototype for the coming 7 Series with hydrogen engine, and the MINI Cooper Hydrogen Package Study. |
I like the idea of BMW adding a 3.5L V6 to its 3- and 4-series lineups. And what's up with the 560i? So the new 5-series is going from 2.5L to 3.0L to 4.4L to 5.0L to 6.0L? It is covering too broad of engine sizes.
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BMW engine failures **BMW admits some M3 engines prone to failure**
BMW recalls 4,000 vehicles due to engine problems - - Reuters / July 14, 2004
FRANKFURT -- BMW AG is recalling 4,000 vehicles worldwide due to defective engine control units, the company said on Wednesday. "Due to a temporary production fault of a supplier, deficient parts were supplied and installed in new 5, 6 and 7-series and X5 models with V8 or V12 cylinder petrol engines," BMW said in a statement. The defect may cause the engine to cut off after a relatively short running time, potentially leading to a failure of the power-steering assistance as well as the brake booster following repeated operation of the brake, it said. "As a consequence, unexpected traffic situations including accidents may occur," BMW added. The vehicles affected by the recall were built between May 12 and July 6 of this year. "Due to the small number of cars affected, the costs of the recall will remain manageable," a spokesman for BMW said. |
M3 engines fail - - Source: Autocar
BMW M3 owners are being left stranded after several incidences of exploding engines in the £40k coupé. Owners have contacted Autocar claiming that their M3’s 3.4-litre engine has blown due to con-rod troubles. One M3 driver we have heard of is on his third engine. BMW admits that there is a problem, but it says that rather than a issuing a recall all M3s will have ‘quality enhancement’ work, involving con-rod bearing replacement, carried out when unmodified cars visit a dealership. However, with early M3s now out of warranty you could be left with a big bill if your engine fails, although a BMW spokesman said that owners having problems will be dealt with ‘sympathetically’. |
ouch that sux......
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Not that we did not know for a while now, but it does suck coming from BMW and the European press...
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I dont think they have a fix. The M3's are notorious for frame seperation, driveshaft seperation and engine failure. My cousin had a 2004 which suffered from all of the above multiple times. He finally sold it because it was going to kill him.
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chrome m3 guy doesnt seem that cool to me anymore
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Mine hasn't blown up yet, then again I don't give a shit.....that's why I leased it.
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Originally Posted by Beltfed
Mine hasn't blown up yet, then again I don't give a shit.....that's why I leased it.
:rofl: Make it their problem... |
Thats bullshit from any company that wants to be referred to as luxury in the usa. If they can't develop a reliable 330+hp i6 maybe this should be the last time. Any future engine should be an m3 V8, probably why the the v8 is the damn rumor for the new m3, they can't solve the engine problems.
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^^ i heard its gonna be the new m5 enigne minus 2 cylinders
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Originally Posted by heyitsme
Any future engine should be an m3 V8, probably why the the v8 is the damn rumor for the new m3, they can't solve the engine problems.
The BAD news is that most of the rumors say that it will come with SMG only. :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: |
^^^
soon bmw will have no clutches, all smg's |
BMW officially announces new N54 Turbo Engine
BMW today released new details on its much-rumored N54 Bi-Turbo Engine. The motor is expected to appear in the 2007 BMW 335i and 2007 BMW 335ci (coupe). The engine has an output of 306 horsepower and maximum torque of 295 lbs.-ft (400 Nm). BMW said it has already tested a 3-Series sedan with the engine, and achieved a 0-62mph time of 5.7 seconds. BMW said the engine is relatively lightweight — about 70kg less than its 4.0-liter V8 engine. According to the automaker, the 3.0-liter engine has little or no turbo lag, thanks to two small turbos instead of one large one. Maximum torque is achieved between 1500 and 5800 rpm. What we know so far: BMW will show its new E92 3-Series coupe at the Geneva Motor Show along with this new engine. What's no entirely clear is whether this engine will make it to North America. Recent rumors suggested this turbo engine would be exclusive to Europe, and a different naturally-aspirated powerplant would drive the 335 in North America.
http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/02/...-turbo-engine/ |
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soooo..... BMW needs 2 turbos to make the same power as the IS350's NA 6-cylinder... now that's some engineering. :woot:
I'm disappointed, BMW. :nono: |
I almost think they just don't want to make a bigger block to compete witht he 3.5 litter engines,
The last engine they had that big was in the early 90's, with the exception of a couple super duper S serries m 6 cylendars. The only other times they have gone to torbo's was when they didn't have a engine to make more power in that platform, like the 2002 turbo and the 745i. This will still be less of a powerhouse than the M3, odd. |
I guess moving to 2 small turbos and lower displacement to make the same power as a larger NA 6-cyl just doesn't make much sense to me.. why? is there an advantage?
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i'm a bit confused too, i was just trying to say that mabee they didn't want to spend the money devoloping a new engine just to fill the gap between a small liter 6 and a 4 plus litter v8. So lazyness.
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I see what you mean...
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Originally Posted by srika
soooo..... BMW needs 2 turbos to make the same power as the IS350's NA 6-cylinder... now that's some engineering. :woot:
I'm disappointed, BMW. :nono: Just another engine variety to fit between the 330 and the upcoming E92 M3. In any event it gives them a torquey 6. The biggest thing will be the area under the torque and HP traces which will be much bigger than the 3.5 in the IS. Bottom line this gives them another engine, with more torque than usual and a way to make solid power without stepping on the toes of the M series high RPM engines. Although I am not a fan of FI, it will be a tuners dream and I think it fits into the product line quite nicely. |
^^^^ good points. I think I see it better now. :)
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hmm maybe it gives better MPG and with ECU swap, it might jack up hp like crazy..
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Originally Posted by n3ok318
hmm maybe it gives better MPG and with ECU swap, it might jack up hp like crazy..
Though I don't know how much they listen to tuners and mod happy consumers but it will be the easiest/cheapest BMW engine to get power from. The S54 for instance is so highly tuned from the factory you figure $100 per HP. It is interesting to see it may not come to the US, it apparently was targeted at Europe. In the E46 chassis the distance was huge between the 330 and M3 and they may be just trying to capture some sales to people who won't pop for or don't like the ride of the M3, plus it will allow them to keep the M3 coupe/cab only (if they choose) while giving the sedan crowd a much stronger engine option. In the end I doubt it will provide better fuel economy, plus it would be useable in most of the line as well. |
Sure is a small intercooler
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