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05-14-2012, 09:40 PM
#3201
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A4 2.0T Quattro: 20 mpg
328i: 21 mpg
As much as performance matters, how much the fuel consumption impacts my wallet is a big consideration too. Audi is very clearly gearing shorter in its transmission to compensate for the lower power output at the expense of fuel economy.
And despite all this: the Audi is AWD, the BMW is RWD, hence the bimmer is expected get a lower fuel consumption or better performance. Given that it has basically the same performance and only slightly better fuel economy, and that the Audi 2.0T is already fairly old while the BMW is brand new, I'd say the Audi is doing really well.
05-14-2012, 09:45 PM
#3202
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05-14-2012, 10:33 PM
#3203
I drive a Subata.
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Elaborate on the hidden launch control for me? 
05-14-2012, 10:53 PM
#3204
I'm the Firestarter
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...onic?p=7274323
Oh and by the way, when C&D posts 0-60 they always include a 1 ft (?) rollout. So their figures are always optimistic, but equal for all cars.
Oh and by the way, when C&D posts 0-60 they always include a 1 ft (?) rollout. So their figures are always optimistic, but equal for all cars.
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05-14-2012, 11:11 PM
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05-14-2012, 11:53 PM
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http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...onic?p=7274323
Oh and by the way, when C&D posts 0-60 they always include a 1 ft (?) rollout. So their figures are always optimistic, but equal for all cars.
Oh and by the way, when C&D posts 0-60 they always include a 1 ft (?) rollout. So their figures are always optimistic, but equal for all cars.
One day, you will own a M3!
05-15-2012, 02:13 AM
#3207
Good, I want the new m3 to come out already, so the current e92 m3 prices dip!
the new turbo m3's do sound potent though...450bhp and god knows how much torque will come with that....But I'm all good with the current m3's. I'd sell all 3 of my cars for one in a heart beat....Ohhhhh....
the new turbo m3's do sound potent though...450bhp and god knows how much torque will come with that....But I'm all good with the current m3's. I'd sell all 3 of my cars for one in a heart beat....Ohhhhh....
05-15-2012, 06:58 AM
#3208
Safety Car
hmm, no shit....the a4 is now 2.0T only, and the a6 is 3.0T only.
wish i knew that. that really slides the scale. the pricing of the A4 now perceptively seems like a great deal. ive gotten so accustomed over the years that you would have to spend an arm and a leg to get the "faster" A4 (2.8, 3.0, 3.2, etc) that was more directly in-line with the competitors' performance. guess those days are over. smart move, Audi...my IS 250 feels damned.
wish i knew that. that really slides the scale. the pricing of the A4 now perceptively seems like a great deal. ive gotten so accustomed over the years that you would have to spend an arm and a leg to get the "faster" A4 (2.8, 3.0, 3.2, etc) that was more directly in-line with the competitors' performance. guess those days are over. smart move, Audi...my IS 250 feels damned.
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05-22-2012, 03:11 PM
#3209
Official: BMW F80 M3 / F82 M4 Brings Back the Inline 6 Engine
We can finally confirm that the next generation M3 (F80 / F82) will be powered by an inline 6 cylinder engine. We spoke to the President of BMW North America, Mr. Ludwig Willisch, at a current BMW event and he has officially confirmed that the next generation M3's engine will indeed feature an inline 6 layout and not a V6.
Until now, there has been no official confirmation (nor denial) from BMW on whether the F80 sedan and F82 coupe's motor would feature an I6 or rumored V6 configuration (although it's been all but a foregone conclusion that it will utilize forced induction by way of turbos).
Mr. Willisch added that a V6 configuration was previously considered (including whether a motor based on the current M3's S65 engine minus two cylinders was appropriate), but ultimately ruled out.
Whether the F80 M3's inline 6 will feature two or three turbos remains to be seen. An earlier BMW filed turbo patent shows that the company has developed (or is developing) electric turbo technology; so a bi-turbo or tri-turbo inline 6 engine could possibly see the implementation of one or more electric turbos. However many turbos is ultimately decided upon by BMW, we think that its power figure may be somewhere in the ballpark of 450 HP.
Despite the next M3 sedan being at least 1.5 to 2 years away, we now know the following. It will be:
Lighter than current M3
Faster than current M3
More powerful than current M3
More efficient than current M3
Powered by an inline 6 cylinder [turbo] engine
Offered with optional or standard manual transmission (if previous spy photos are any indication)
Introduced no earlier than late 2013 - early 2014
Follow all our F80 M3 / F82 M4 news at http://www.bimmerpost.com/m3/f30m3/
Until now, there has been no official confirmation (nor denial) from BMW on whether the F80 sedan and F82 coupe's motor would feature an I6 or rumored V6 configuration (although it's been all but a foregone conclusion that it will utilize forced induction by way of turbos).
Mr. Willisch added that a V6 configuration was previously considered (including whether a motor based on the current M3's S65 engine minus two cylinders was appropriate), but ultimately ruled out.
Whether the F80 M3's inline 6 will feature two or three turbos remains to be seen. An earlier BMW filed turbo patent shows that the company has developed (or is developing) electric turbo technology; so a bi-turbo or tri-turbo inline 6 engine could possibly see the implementation of one or more electric turbos. However many turbos is ultimately decided upon by BMW, we think that its power figure may be somewhere in the ballpark of 450 HP.
Despite the next M3 sedan being at least 1.5 to 2 years away, we now know the following. It will be:
Lighter than current M3
Faster than current M3
More powerful than current M3
More efficient than current M3
Powered by an inline 6 cylinder [turbo] engine
Offered with optional or standard manual transmission (if previous spy photos are any indication)
Introduced no earlier than late 2013 - early 2014
Follow all our F80 M3 / F82 M4 news at http://www.bimmerpost.com/m3/f30m3/
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05-22-2012, 06:04 PM
#3210
Team Owner
05-22-2012, 06:05 PM
#3211
The sizzle in the Steak
tri-turbo inline 6 
05-22-2012, 06:38 PM
#3212
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05-22-2012, 06:43 PM
#3213
Whats up with RDX owners?
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While I will definitely miss the days of the amazing wail from ITBs, turbo'd engines are much more responsive to "cheap" mods. I welcome boost with open arms.
05-27-2012, 12:14 AM
#3214
Suzuka Master
some early M3 footage
at one clip you can see the current M3 following haha... but this new M3 aint pulling away either
at one clip you can see the current M3 following haha... but this new M3 aint pulling away either
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05-27-2012, 12:02 PM
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The new M3 sounds good.
07-22-2012, 04:20 PM
#3217
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F82 M4 Coupe romping around...
What you're seeing and hearing is the F80 M3 / F82 M4's anticipated inline 6 cylinder engine with multiple turbochargers, pushing approximately 450 horsepower. The engine has been rumored to be an extensively reworked and reinforced N55 6-cylinder engine with a strengthened aluminium block with a heavily modified cylinder head. The Induction technology is said to be completely new as will be the latest bi-vanos variable valve timing. But, we also think there may be a possibility that the engine turns out to be a reworked/enhanced version of a successor engine to the N55 (which has not yet been introduced).
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What you're seeing and hearing is the F80 M3 / F82 M4's anticipated inline 6 cylinder engine with multiple turbochargers, pushing approximately 450 horsepower. The engine has been rumored to be an extensively reworked and reinforced N55 6-cylinder engine with a strengthened aluminium block with a heavily modified cylinder head. The Induction technology is said to be completely new as will be the latest bi-vanos variable valve timing. But, we also think there may be a possibility that the engine turns out to be a reworked/enhanced version of a successor engine to the N55 (which has not yet been introduced).
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07-23-2012, 07:39 PM
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F80 M3 Sedan, should be released end of 2013 or early 2014.
We've just spied this afternoon this F80 M3 sedan prototype showing a power dome / hood bulge for the first time. The M3 may have now entered the FEP (Final Evaluation Phase) stage of testing. Until now some M enthusiasts have been disappointed to see the lack of a power dome on previous prototypes, but this mule confirms that the F80 M3 and F82 M4 will feature an aggressively shaped hood.
The rest of the camouflage remains as concealing as on prior mules. As seen clearly, the M3 kidney grilles are sportier than the F30 3 Series, yet not as thin nor wide as the recently exposed F82 M4 coupe grilles (pictured below for comparison). The headlights underneath the camo may (unconfirmed) also be a sleeker version of the F30 headlights, although they will join the headlights like the F30.
The sideskirts are also different than on previous mules, now with an upswoop at its end.
The side shots of the prototype show that the headlights will appear to be more recessed as a result of the beefy front bumper extending out further than on the F30 (think of the 1M headlight-bumper compared to the standard 1 Series). The production side view mirrors (which also be sportier in shape) have not yet been installed on any prototypes.
All in all, the appearance of a power dome, together with the super flared wheel arches and still-covered M body styling, is shaping the F80 M3 to be an aggressive looking sports sedan!
The F80 M3 / F82 M4 will be powered by an inline 6 cylinder engine with multiple turbochargers, pushing approximately 450 horsepower. The engine has been rumored to be an extensively reworked and reinforced N55 6-cylinder engine with a strengthened aluminium block with a heavily modified cylinder head. The Induction technology is said to be completely new as will be the latest bi-vanos variable valve timing. But, we also think there may be a possibility that the engine turns out to be a reworked/enhanced version of a successor engine to the N55 (which has not yet been introduced). Both a DCT and manual transmission will be available. The blue brakes resemble the new 3 Series' M Sport brakes, paired with steel cross drilled rotors.
In case you missed last week's exciting video of the M4 coupe, we've posted it below, along with the M3 sedan's last sighting on video.
Follow our ongoing M3/M4 coverage @ http://www.bimmerpost.com/m3/f30m3/
The following is a summary of the facts we can be certain of regarding the F80 M3 / F82 M4:
*Click on images for hi-resolution version*
We've just spied this afternoon this F80 M3 sedan prototype showing a power dome / hood bulge for the first time. The M3 may have now entered the FEP (Final Evaluation Phase) stage of testing. Until now some M enthusiasts have been disappointed to see the lack of a power dome on previous prototypes, but this mule confirms that the F80 M3 and F82 M4 will feature an aggressively shaped hood.
The rest of the camouflage remains as concealing as on prior mules. As seen clearly, the M3 kidney grilles are sportier than the F30 3 Series, yet not as thin nor wide as the recently exposed F82 M4 coupe grilles (pictured below for comparison). The headlights underneath the camo may (unconfirmed) also be a sleeker version of the F30 headlights, although they will join the headlights like the F30.
The sideskirts are also different than on previous mules, now with an upswoop at its end.
The side shots of the prototype show that the headlights will appear to be more recessed as a result of the beefy front bumper extending out further than on the F30 (think of the 1M headlight-bumper compared to the standard 1 Series). The production side view mirrors (which also be sportier in shape) have not yet been installed on any prototypes.
All in all, the appearance of a power dome, together with the super flared wheel arches and still-covered M body styling, is shaping the F80 M3 to be an aggressive looking sports sedan!
The F80 M3 / F82 M4 will be powered by an inline 6 cylinder engine with multiple turbochargers, pushing approximately 450 horsepower. The engine has been rumored to be an extensively reworked and reinforced N55 6-cylinder engine with a strengthened aluminium block with a heavily modified cylinder head. The Induction technology is said to be completely new as will be the latest bi-vanos variable valve timing. But, we also think there may be a possibility that the engine turns out to be a reworked/enhanced version of a successor engine to the N55 (which has not yet been introduced). Both a DCT and manual transmission will be available. The blue brakes resemble the new 3 Series' M Sport brakes, paired with steel cross drilled rotors.
In case you missed last week's exciting video of the M4 coupe, we've posted it below, along with the M3 sedan's last sighting on video.
Follow our ongoing M3/M4 coverage @ http://www.bimmerpost.com/m3/f30m3/
The following is a summary of the facts we can be certain of regarding the F80 M3 / F82 M4:
- Lighter than current M3
- Faster than current M3
- More powerful than current M3
- More efficient than current M3
- Powered by an inline 6 cylinder turbo engine
- Offered with optional or standard manual transmission
- Electric Power Steering (completely reworked for precision for M3/M4)
*Click on images for hi-resolution version*
07-26-2012, 11:12 AM
#3219
Some dude
From Inside Line:
It seems Inside Line is off when it comes to the M3 sedan since there are already test mules out.
The BMW M3 is the fulcrum upon which the speed-crazed world rocks. And big changes are coming for 2014.
First, two-door versions of the 3 Series may become the 4 Series. And if it's going to be called 4 Series, don't be surprised if the M-version is called M4.
The sedan can still be the M3. If there is a sedan M3.
Second, the high-revving 4.0-liter V8 of the current M3 is dead, dead, dead. In its place this will be the first M3/M4 featuring a turbocharged power plant — two blowers heaving into a straight-6. The best guess at displacement is 3.0 liters and, thanks to the miracles of direct injection and variable valve timing, an output of about 450 hp.
First, two-door versions of the 3 Series may become the 4 Series. And if it's going to be called 4 Series, don't be surprised if the M-version is called M4.
The sedan can still be the M3. If there is a sedan M3.
Second, the high-revving 4.0-liter V8 of the current M3 is dead, dead, dead. In its place this will be the first M3/M4 featuring a turbocharged power plant — two blowers heaving into a straight-6. The best guess at displacement is 3.0 liters and, thanks to the miracles of direct injection and variable valve timing, an output of about 450 hp.
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07-26-2012, 11:25 AM
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thank you BMW for spacing out those exhaust tips 
and damn that color is awesome....cant wait for the 2014 M3
and damn that color is awesome....cant wait for the 2014 M3
07-26-2012, 11:34 AM
#3221
Some dude
Looks awesome in that color.
07-26-2012, 04:13 PM
#3222
Suzuka Master
i wanna say those arent real pics but just renderings.
07-26-2012, 04:23 PM
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^^^ dont ruin it for me bro....
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07-26-2012, 05:05 PM
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They aren't real pics. BMW has released no official photos yet. Also, look at the tailpipes - the ones on the yellow rendering are from an F10 M5, whereas the pipes on the camo'd M3 in the pics above are much closer together.
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07-26-2012, 09:37 PM
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07-26-2012, 11:44 PM
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^^^ if they rename it LOL....i hope they dont....i like M3 
07-27-2012, 01:12 AM
#3227
Suzuka Master
I think its highly probably it will be renamed. No worries I'll just get an M3 (sedan) then. M4 you just lose all the history right away, in a way?
07-27-2012, 10:06 AM
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yup....i concur....
its decided....M3 name shall stay
its decided....M3 name shall stay
08-03-2012, 11:07 PM
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08-04-2012, 12:10 AM
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אני עומד עם ישראל
Think I know what I'll be saving towards for my next car purchase in 2017-18.. that or the rumored 400+ hp G sedan, C/ATS-V, C63. Damn it's great to have options.
08-04-2012, 01:15 AM
#3232
Suzuka Master
I wouldnt put all your money down on this just yet....
If it has electric steering... not as good right there
no V8... sure the turbo 6 will be faster, but better chance of turbo lag and/or the vocals wont be there. Please tell me they wont be playing sound through the speakers on this car haha
If it has electric steering... not as good right there
no V8... sure the turbo 6 will be faster, but better chance of turbo lag and/or the vocals wont be there. Please tell me they wont be playing sound through the speakers on this car haha
08-04-2012, 09:53 AM
#3233
אני עומד עם ישראל
^ well I did list four other cars lol 
08-04-2012, 12:02 PM
#3234
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I am a bit worried about the engine note though, and not being able to hear it in the car.
08-04-2012, 03:28 PM
#3235
Suzuka Master
EPS could be tuned to still give good feedback and not feel overboosted (look at the S2k, BRZ/FR-S). And I doubt there will be a lot of turbo lag. You can also reflash the ecu and pick up quite a bit of power.
I am a bit worried about the engine note though, and not being able to hear it in the car.
I am a bit worried about the engine note though, and not being able to hear it in the car.
The 3 series while got better remarks still wasnt compared to the previous gen.
Yea i'm just being nit picky about things that can go wrong. Not saying they will. BMW generally doesnt have turbo lag in the their other cars right? It is why they had the two turbo set up initially. One smaller one so boost can be had a lot earlier. Although the new 335i only has one, wonder how that compares.
08-04-2012, 03:29 PM
#3236
Suzuka Master
09-13-2012, 04:48 PM
#3237
This brings back memories of the 300ZX
09-13-2012, 09:42 PM
#3238
Engineer
wow, that's a busy engine bay...
09-13-2012, 11:40 PM
#3239
Suzuka Master
someone wanna explain to me what that thing to the top right of the engine is?? That aluminum box?
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09-13-2012, 11:59 PM
#3240
intercooler?