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10-15-2004, 05:17 PM
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Gee, you dont let anyone get away with anything, do you? 
10-15-2004, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
BECAUSE IT IS NOT USEABLE!!!! After awhile, it's just bragging rights. Or you need so many electronic gizmos to drive the car, it's not even fun.
And after riding in some 800hp Supras and 600hp ISs, that shit is just scary..
After awhile, it's just bragging rights. Or you need so many electronic gizmos to drive the car, it's not even fun.And after riding in some 800hp Supras and 600hp ISs, that shit is just scary..
10-15-2004, 08:38 PM
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I never really thought of Audi even being in the power wars, yes they have powerful cars, umm, but thats not a reason to say they are trying to top the best of the best in a power war. If anyone thinks about it, it has always been bmw vs mercedes, audi has never been part of anything, let alone a power war.
10-16-2004, 06:27 PM
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did the rs4 have any competition in europe from bmw or mercedes benz?
the b5 s4 vs e36 m3....seems like equal competition
the b6 s4 vs e46 m4....seems like equal competition
audi has been in the loop with hp wars for a while now, and that not even taking into factor that i dont think the rs4 had any direct competition from bmw or MB either...
how could we interpret this as audi giving up?
are we implying audi "cant" do it? i think audi has the means...they have access to lots of engines, including the gallardo engine which we were teased hearin rumors about it going in the next gen rs6/rs4...
clearly, imho, audi has the means to do it and play in this hp war and be very succesful,
so that there shows, they if they are backing off, its because they see a bigger picture,
it could also be the fact that, audi buyers are not your avg buyers...bmw or mb owners are everywhere, but you have a certain category loyal to audis...and that category doesnt account to much, but there are advatnages.... audis image is steady because of this, always on the conservative side of things to keep everything in check.. i think thats where audi wants to remain as well. I dont think paying more for an audi would sell very much to the mass markets like the m3's, m5s and e55s sell....it may not be a good business move..
so is it fair to say, that audi is admitting to defeat because the market isnt there for a conservative german car? i dont think so.\
lets wait and see what exactly audi is talking about when they say focusing on driving dynamics it may very well change the whole War...and theres a good chance it wont do shit.
as of now...i think its too early to call, and too risky to bet.
the b5 s4 vs e36 m3....seems like equal competition
the b6 s4 vs e46 m4....seems like equal competition
audi has been in the loop with hp wars for a while now, and that not even taking into factor that i dont think the rs4 had any direct competition from bmw or MB either...
how could we interpret this as audi giving up?
are we implying audi "cant" do it? i think audi has the means...they have access to lots of engines, including the gallardo engine which we were teased hearin rumors about it going in the next gen rs6/rs4...
clearly, imho, audi has the means to do it and play in this hp war and be very succesful,
so that there shows, they if they are backing off, its because they see a bigger picture,
it could also be the fact that, audi buyers are not your avg buyers...bmw or mb owners are everywhere, but you have a certain category loyal to audis...and that category doesnt account to much, but there are advatnages.... audis image is steady because of this, always on the conservative side of things to keep everything in check.. i think thats where audi wants to remain as well. I dont think paying more for an audi would sell very much to the mass markets like the m3's, m5s and e55s sell....it may not be a good business move..
so is it fair to say, that audi is admitting to defeat because the market isnt there for a conservative german car? i dont think so.\
lets wait and see what exactly audi is talking about when they say focusing on driving dynamics
it may very well change the whole War...and theres a good chance it wont do shit.as of now...i think its too early to call, and too risky to bet.
11-25-2004, 09:53 AM
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Future Audi interiors
Swoopy look for new Audi interiors - - Source: Autocar
Audi’s interiors are to undergo a revolution, say company insiders. According to a senior design source, the wrap-around look started with the A6 will continue on future cars – becoming more extreme in the future.
‘The Le Mans concept’s interior was very aggressive indeed in the way that the console wrapped around the driver,’ said our source. ‘That’s the kind of cockpit effect that we will be moving towards with future models.’
Apparently the upcoming Q7 4x4 will get a bespoke interior, rather than adopting the A6’s cabin.
‘The Le Mans concept’s interior was very aggressive indeed in the way that the console wrapped around the driver,’ said our source. ‘That’s the kind of cockpit effect that we will be moving towards with future models.’
Apparently the upcoming Q7 4x4 will get a bespoke interior, rather than adopting the A6’s cabin.
thats bad ass! BMW should have never went away with that idea!
11-26-2004, 04:08 AM
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top interior (A6) > bottom interior...unless it for a race car.
11-26-2004, 11:29 AM
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Hmmm a driver focused interior... reminds me of the S2000 or RSX. 
11-26-2004, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by AsianRage
What's the big deal? The 2G TL has a similar interior as well.
11-28-2004, 08:40 PM
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Sure beats the BMW bland interiors!!
01-12-2007, 08:18 PM
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Audi to Offer Quattro with Torque Vectoring
By Bill Visnic
Aware that it needs to maintain the top-flight reputation of its famous quattro all-wheel-drive systems, one of Audi AG’s chief vehicle engineers says it will introduce a highly advanced form of quattro later this year.
Michael ****, Audi’s head of Total Vehicle and Chassis Development, tells Ward’s at the North American International Auto Show here the auto maker will incorporate so-called torque-vectoring technology into the next-generation quattro system slated to launch later this year in Europe for the all-new A5 coupe, to be quickly followed by the eighth-generation A4 sedan, which comes to the U.S. in early 2008.
Both vehicles are built on the same all-new architecture.
Torque vectoring takes all-wheel drive to another level by varying drive torque not just between front and rear axles but also between wheels on the same axle.
By adjusting torque side-to-side, a higher degree of handling performance can be achieved by delivering more torque to the outside wheel in a turn, turning the vehicle more sharply and precisely into the corner.
Torque vectoring also is a way to enhance safety, in effect an “active” form of the brake system-based vehicle stability control systems now common for many vehicles.
**** says the next-generation quattro with torque vectoring will retain Audi’s longstanding Torsen (torque-sensing) center differential to apportion torque between the front and rear axles, but adds a differential on the rear axle, incorporating electronically controlled clutches, to selectively apportion torque between the rear wheels.
**** says Audi began testing its torque-vectoring quattro system early last year, and engineers will be ready to launch the system with the new A5 and then in performance-oriented S and RS variants of the all-new A4 sport sedan.
**** says the torque-vectoring quattro system, combined with Audi’s introduction of an active-steering system, will deliver “driving dynamics as no Audi (has) before.”
Torque vectoring, **** says, “will be a way to eliminate understeer, particularly on high-grip roads. It imparts a very neutral driving dynamic.”
Despite the traction-enhancing benefits of quattro, Audi vehicles long have been criticized for their tendency to understeer – a cornering situation where the front of the vehicle tends to “push” away from direction of the corner.
This has put Audi at a disadvantage when compared with rivals such as BMW AG, whose common vehicle architecture is rear-wheel drive, a layout widely considered to be more responsive and performance-oriented.
In 2006, Audi launched its third-generation quattro system with a Torsen center differential designed to bias drive torque between the front and rear axles at a default ratio of 40% front and 60% rear, which imparts a handling character that more closely replicates that of a RWD layout.
The new 40/60 quattro bias is used for the RS4 and other performance-tuned models, while mainstream Audi vehicles retain the standard quattro 50/50 bias. **** says the next-generation quattro with torque vectoring also will use the performance-oriented 40/60 center-differential bias.
The new-generation quattro AWD and the new active steering system, which is designed to help the driver steer in crucial situations, were developed internally as a project named “charisma.”
**** does not say which other vehicles in the future Audi lineup will be fitted with the torque-vectoring AWD, but says it likely will be used, at least initially, for “high-end” vehicles such as the performance S and RS variants of its A3, A4, A6, and A8 sedans, as well as the TT coupe.
However, he does not rule out use for the new Q7 cross/utility vehicle, although he says torque-vectoring technology is best suited for powerful, high-performance cars.
To date, the only auto maker to launch production vehicles with torque-vectoring AWD is Honda Motor Co. Ltd.’s Acura luxury division.
Acura calls its system Super Handling-All Wheel Drive and currently fits the SH-AWD system as standard equipment on its RL sedan and RDX and MDX CUVs.
Other auto makers and driveline suppliers are known to be developing torque-vectoring systems that likely will see production in the near future.
By Bill Visnic
Aware that it needs to maintain the top-flight reputation of its famous quattro all-wheel-drive systems, one of Audi AG’s chief vehicle engineers says it will introduce a highly advanced form of quattro later this year.
Michael ****, Audi’s head of Total Vehicle and Chassis Development, tells Ward’s at the North American International Auto Show here the auto maker will incorporate so-called torque-vectoring technology into the next-generation quattro system slated to launch later this year in Europe for the all-new A5 coupe, to be quickly followed by the eighth-generation A4 sedan, which comes to the U.S. in early 2008.
Both vehicles are built on the same all-new architecture.
Torque vectoring takes all-wheel drive to another level by varying drive torque not just between front and rear axles but also between wheels on the same axle.
By adjusting torque side-to-side, a higher degree of handling performance can be achieved by delivering more torque to the outside wheel in a turn, turning the vehicle more sharply and precisely into the corner.
Torque vectoring also is a way to enhance safety, in effect an “active” form of the brake system-based vehicle stability control systems now common for many vehicles.
**** says the next-generation quattro with torque vectoring will retain Audi’s longstanding Torsen (torque-sensing) center differential to apportion torque between the front and rear axles, but adds a differential on the rear axle, incorporating electronically controlled clutches, to selectively apportion torque between the rear wheels.
**** says Audi began testing its torque-vectoring quattro system early last year, and engineers will be ready to launch the system with the new A5 and then in performance-oriented S and RS variants of the all-new A4 sport sedan.
**** says the torque-vectoring quattro system, combined with Audi’s introduction of an active-steering system, will deliver “driving dynamics as no Audi (has) before.”
Torque vectoring, **** says, “will be a way to eliminate understeer, particularly on high-grip roads. It imparts a very neutral driving dynamic.”
Despite the traction-enhancing benefits of quattro, Audi vehicles long have been criticized for their tendency to understeer – a cornering situation where the front of the vehicle tends to “push” away from direction of the corner.
This has put Audi at a disadvantage when compared with rivals such as BMW AG, whose common vehicle architecture is rear-wheel drive, a layout widely considered to be more responsive and performance-oriented.
In 2006, Audi launched its third-generation quattro system with a Torsen center differential designed to bias drive torque between the front and rear axles at a default ratio of 40% front and 60% rear, which imparts a handling character that more closely replicates that of a RWD layout.
The new 40/60 quattro bias is used for the RS4 and other performance-tuned models, while mainstream Audi vehicles retain the standard quattro 50/50 bias. **** says the next-generation quattro with torque vectoring also will use the performance-oriented 40/60 center-differential bias.
The new-generation quattro AWD and the new active steering system, which is designed to help the driver steer in crucial situations, were developed internally as a project named “charisma.”
**** does not say which other vehicles in the future Audi lineup will be fitted with the torque-vectoring AWD, but says it likely will be used, at least initially, for “high-end” vehicles such as the performance S and RS variants of its A3, A4, A6, and A8 sedans, as well as the TT coupe.
However, he does not rule out use for the new Q7 cross/utility vehicle, although he says torque-vectoring technology is best suited for powerful, high-performance cars.
To date, the only auto maker to launch production vehicles with torque-vectoring AWD is Honda Motor Co. Ltd.’s Acura luxury division.
Acura calls its system Super Handling-All Wheel Drive and currently fits the SH-AWD system as standard equipment on its RL sedan and RDX and MDX CUVs.
Other auto makers and driveline suppliers are known to be developing torque-vectoring systems that likely will see production in the near future.
01-12-2007, 08:44 PM
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That's cool. But the recent concepts say Honda's working on a RWD-bias SH-AWD so the competition between the two system is gonna be awesome.
01-12-2007, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by dom
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery after all. The Technology makes sense. Should only get better from here.
Obviously, Acura stole the technology from the Mitsubishi Evo and now Audi wants to jump in.
01-13-2007, 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by heyitsme
Obviously, Acura stole the technology from the Mitsubishi Evo and now Audi wants to jump in.
01-13-2007, 10:21 PM
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i love how the Germans make sound cool as hell but the Japaneses make it sound like a joke...
torque vectoring > super handling
01-13-2007, 10:25 PM
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Isn't this basically a limited slip differential? All it's doing is giving power to the wheel that has traction, much like a limited slip would do. Nothing revolutionary there.
01-13-2007, 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by heyitsme
Obviously, Acura stole the technology from the Mitsubishi Evo and now Audi wants to jump in.
It was a Honda concept and jointly developed with Borg Warner
01-13-2007, 10:57 PM
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Isn't this basically a limited slip differential? All it's doing is giving power to the wheel that has traction, much like a limited slip would do. Nothing revolutionary there.
Because like the SH-AWD system in the RL, this one doesn't require slippage to get the active power. The RL doesn't take a turn and wait for the wheels to start slipping and then send power. It sends power to the outside wheel automatically to spin it faster to help it corner. And so does this system. So while it does work on the premise of a limited slip differential, it isn't just that.
01-13-2007, 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by phile
Because like the SH-AWD system in the RL, this one doesn't require slippage to get the active power. The RL doesn't take a turn and wait for the wheels to start slipping and then send power. It sends power to the outside wheel automatically to spin it faster to help it corner. And so does this system. So while it does work on the premise of a limited slip differential, it isn't just that.
01-13-2007, 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Maximized
Obviously, a mechanical LSD requires slippage before the clutch packs engage. The electronic system can react faster I would think, so that's really the only advantage?
Some disadvantages of the ATTS (well, at least in the Prelude so far) include occassional malfunction, and lack of ability to handling more power (as if someone installs a turbo or supercharger). Other than that, when it is functioning correctly, it works great.
01-14-2007, 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by vwong
Think of a mechanical LSD as a "passive" system, and the SH-AWD as an "active" system. BTW, Honda came out with this "torque transfer" concept back in 97........in the 5th gen Prelude TypeSH. It only affected the front wheels since Preludes are FWD. The ATTS (short for Active Torque Transfer System) found in the TypeSH model includes many sensors and a computer, and it engages the clutch packs without any wheel slippage. In the case of SH-AWD, Honda applies the same concept from the Prelude into the front axle, rear axle, and the center diff. It's like having 3 ATTS's in a car.
Some disadvantages of the ATTS (well, at least in the Prelude so far) include occassional malfunction, and lack of ability to handling more power (as if someone installs a turbo or supercharger). Other than that, when it is functioning correctly, it works great.
Some disadvantages of the ATTS (well, at least in the Prelude so far) include occassional malfunction, and lack of ability to handling more power (as if someone installs a turbo or supercharger). Other than that, when it is functioning correctly, it works great.
01-14-2007, 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Maximized
That's what I figured. I don't see anything revolutionary about this system, but it definetly sounds cool. It's basically using existing components found in automobiles and combining them.
01-15-2007, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by soopa
torque vectoring > super handling
Super handling always sounded like something an 8 year old would say.
01-15-2007, 12:06 PM
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I like how they achnowledge that HMC had this system first instead of making it seem like they're came out with completely different, and better technology.
I wish HMC would have put this on the TL first with rear bias, 320 hp, on a "S" version, not the old lady RL.
I wish HMC would have put this on the TL first with rear bias, 320 hp, on a "S" version, not the old lady RL.
01-15-2007, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Super handling always sounded like something an 8 year old would say.
"The all-new 2008 Acura TL-S comes standard with Super-Duper Handling AWD"
01-15-2007, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by stangg172004
i love how the Germans make sound cool as hell but the Japaneses make it sound like a joke...
01-15-2007, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Tire
What happened to Audi's "Never Follow" Campaign