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I know what you are saying but, its just not common practice for anyone to pay MSRP anymore for any car..I know I never had, new car or not and will not start with the New TL!
My dealer already told me that he will work off of MSRP a little, he even stated we cant sell cars for MSRP anymore.
My dealer already told me that he will work off of MSRP a little, he even stated we cant sell cars for MSRP anymore.
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Originally posted by RJC RSX
i agree, i expect hp to be the same across all the trim lines. My guess is 280, give or take a few ponies
i agree, i expect hp to be the same across all the trim lines. My guess is 280, give or take a few ponies
Regarding the head lights being the same p/n as the TSX, the spy photos don't show it. If you zoom in on the head lights in the two pictures, you can clearly see that the yellow turn indictator in the TSX is NOT between the the low beam and high beam reflectors. also, the two beams (low/high) are imeadiately adjacent to each other, leaving no room for a turn indicatator.
While I love the TSX head light cluster, I can't say it will be in the TL from what I have seen - Sorry Huskerfan, not sure the info is correct.
But I guess this is what this section is all about, rumors, you just need to be able to read between the lines.
Thanks everyone for all the info so far!
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Originally posted by RJC RSX
I don't know where that other guy disappeared to, but I'll be picking up the option sheet from my dealer tomorrow afternoon, so expect it scanned and hosted by tomorrow evening.
I don't know where that other guy disappeared to, but I'll be picking up the option sheet from my dealer tomorrow afternoon, so expect it scanned and hosted by tomorrow evening.
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Originally posted by Booyah
I know what you are saying but, its just not common practice for anyone to pay MSRP anymore for any car..I know I never had, new car or not and will not start with the New TL!
My dealer already told me that he will work off of MSRP a little, he even stated we cant sell cars for MSRP anymore.
I know what you are saying but, its just not common practice for anyone to pay MSRP anymore for any car..I know I never had, new car or not and will not start with the New TL!
My dealer already told me that he will work off of MSRP a little, he even stated we cant sell cars for MSRP anymore.
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Originally posted by Booyah
I know what you are saying but, its just not common practice for anyone to pay MSRP anymore for any car.....
I know what you are saying but, its just not common practice for anyone to pay MSRP anymore for any car.....
Heck, depending on how hot the car is, sometimes not only is it MSRP or nothing, but the prices might even go UP after a little while. Heard of the mini?
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Regarding the head lights being the same p/n as the TSX, the spy photos don't show it. If you zoom in on the head lights in the two pictures, you can clearly see that the yellow turn indictator in the TSX is NOT between the the low beam and high beam reflectors. also, the two beams (low/high) are imeadiately adjacent to each other, leaving no room for a turn indicatator.
While I love the TSX head light cluster, I can't say it will be in the TL from what I have seen - Sorry Huskerfan, not sure the info is correct.
Regarding the head lights being the same p/n as the TSX, the spy photos don't show it. If you zoom in on the head lights in the two pictures, you can clearly see that the yellow turn indictator in the TSX is NOT between the the low beam and high beam reflectors. also, the two beams (low/high) are imeadiately adjacent to each other, leaving no room for a turn indicatator.
While I love the TSX head light cluster, I can't say it will be in the TL from what I have seen - Sorry Huskerfan, not sure the info is correct.
I am hoping for bi-xenon headlights, like in the BMW's, Nissans, Infinitis, Porsches, etc...
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Originally posted by need4spd
Regarding the head lights being the same p/n as the TSX, the spy photos don't show it. If you zoom in on the head lights in the two pictures, you can clearly see that the yellow turn indictator in the TSX is NOT between the the low beam and high beam reflectors. also, the two beams (low/high) are imeadiately adjacent to each other, leaving no room for a turn indicatator.
While I love the TSX head light cluster, I can't say it will be in the TL from what I have seen - Sorry Huskerfan, not sure the info is correct.
Regarding the head lights being the same p/n as the TSX, the spy photos don't show it. If you zoom in on the head lights in the two pictures, you can clearly see that the yellow turn indictator in the TSX is NOT between the the low beam and high beam reflectors. also, the two beams (low/high) are imeadiately adjacent to each other, leaving no room for a turn indicatator.
While I love the TSX head light cluster, I can't say it will be in the TL from what I have seen - Sorry Huskerfan, not sure the info is correct.
#449
Originally posted by ender
Guaranteed the TL will be discounted..... it could be 3 months or 3 years before that happens. This is the most anticipated car in the Acura line up. When the 99 TL debuted it was on a waiting list for months, do you think there was a discount? The MDX at our dealership did'nt sell for less than MSRP until late summer 02.
Think about this, whenever a car is discounted it defaces the marque cars that are discounted straight out have for the most part proven to be poor sellers and have poor resale value. So what do you want a car that holds its value or a car thats discounted and is worthless when you trade it in. Personally I think the car sell for what its worth, If you the customer goes to the dealership and buy the car at MSRP then it is worth MSRP. If you fail to do so then the dealer will discount until he reaches a number that gets buyers i.e TSX's.
Just my 2 cents, flame all you want.
Guaranteed the TL will be discounted..... it could be 3 months or 3 years before that happens. This is the most anticipated car in the Acura line up. When the 99 TL debuted it was on a waiting list for months, do you think there was a discount? The MDX at our dealership did'nt sell for less than MSRP until late summer 02.
Think about this, whenever a car is discounted it defaces the marque cars that are discounted straight out have for the most part proven to be poor sellers and have poor resale value. So what do you want a car that holds its value or a car thats discounted and is worthless when you trade it in. Personally I think the car sell for what its worth, If you the customer goes to the dealership and buy the car at MSRP then it is worth MSRP. If you fail to do so then the dealer will discount until he reaches a number that gets buyers i.e TSX's.
Just my 2 cents, flame all you want.
The MDX is a crossover SUV - those things are hot. Sporty sedans? Not really. Just because it's new doesn't necessarily mean MSRP for buyers, e.g., look at the TSX.
When a car is discounted, the marque doesn't suffer. The marque suffers when it has something like a sub-20K RSX in its "luxury" lineup - then it looks cheap. But if the TL's MSRP is, say, 33K, and someone buys it for 31.5K - who's gonna know?
This is not flaming, it's called a discussion. If you can't handle that, please don't respond to my posts. I found that little comment at the end of your post to be rather insulting. I have never presented myself as someone belligerent, I do not know why or where you came up with that and I will certainly not discuss with someone who thinks that way of me.
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hey, I was surfing a little and stumbeled onto an Honda Japanese site on the Inspire, could Jason have been talking about the new Honda HIDS system (Honda Interactive Driver Support System)?
Is this then new (maybe it is just new to mee) system that will blow us away? Here is a link to the movie showing the system (movie is 4688K in size, so hope you have an high speed conncetion):
http://www.honda.co.jp/INSPIRE/prese...ids/index.html
I know the Inspire is the US Accord for Japan, but the technoligy is transferable.
I would not say that this sytem is a big leap (active cruse control) but just a thought.
Interstingly enough the interior is the same as the TSX (or very close), not the USA Accord
Is this then new (maybe it is just new to mee) system that will blow us away? Here is a link to the movie showing the system (movie is 4688K in size, so hope you have an high speed conncetion):
http://www.honda.co.jp/INSPIRE/prese...ids/index.html
I know the Inspire is the US Accord for Japan, but the technoligy is transferable.
I would not say that this sytem is a big leap (active cruse control) but just a thought.
Interstingly enough the interior is the same as the TSX (or very close), not the USA Accord
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this 5.1 audio is passe... where's the 7.1 audio that's what I'm asking
So anyone hear about a Type S variant coming too.. or wil that just be the HPT... Beuller... Beuller?
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So anyone hear about a Type S variant coming too.. or wil that just be the HPT... Beuller... Beuller?
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#452
Originally posted by ender
As a salesperson at the dealership I work at it won't make a difference to me whether it is sold at MSRP or 2k less. In fact the more discount we have the more I sell. Its just going to hurt 'you' the consumer and it WILL damage the brand and it WILL hurt resale value, thats why Acura is concerned with dealers pulling down their pants down on the price of the car as soon as they get it.
As a salesperson at the dealership I work at it won't make a difference to me whether it is sold at MSRP or 2k less. In fact the more discount we have the more I sell. Its just going to hurt 'you' the consumer and it WILL damage the brand and it WILL hurt resale value, thats why Acura is concerned with dealers pulling down their pants down on the price of the car as soon as they get it.
If you paid less for a car, you're going to get less on resale. That's just common sense, anyone who believes your logic in getting "hurt" by not paying MSRP is overly optimistic and out of touch with reality.
Most of the buyers on this site didn't purchase their TSX at MSRP - I don't see the Acura brand going down any time soon.
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See... This is why I was hesitant to join this forum. I can't keep up!
On MSRP: Acura cares about sale prices because they do have an effect on how the brand name is perceived. Right now, the domestics are having a heck of a time trying to get people weaned off the incentives they have been offering for the past year. Your neighbor buys a new Ford truck for $8,000 off the MSRP. Six months later, you go there and try to get a similar deal on another Ford. You can't, so you walk. These low prices cheapen the image of the brand. Unless the domestics do something drastic, they will never get people to pay MSRP again. Acura is trying to avoid that.
On resale, sale prices affects the owners who did pay full MSRP. You buy at MSRP, then sell a year later. The depreciation is about $3K. That 3K is subtracted from the current selling price, not the full MSRP you paid for it.
On MSRP: Acura cares about sale prices because they do have an effect on how the brand name is perceived. Right now, the domestics are having a heck of a time trying to get people weaned off the incentives they have been offering for the past year. Your neighbor buys a new Ford truck for $8,000 off the MSRP. Six months later, you go there and try to get a similar deal on another Ford. You can't, so you walk. These low prices cheapen the image of the brand. Unless the domestics do something drastic, they will never get people to pay MSRP again. Acura is trying to avoid that.
On resale, sale prices affects the owners who did pay full MSRP. You buy at MSRP, then sell a year later. The depreciation is about $3K. That 3K is subtracted from the current selling price, not the full MSRP you paid for it.
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On part numbers: This is what several folks found when trying to determine if the Accord transmission failures were going to affect the Pilot.
Part numbers often reflect what the function of the part is. A headlight for the TSX may have the same number as the RL, TL, or MDX as all of them are headlights. I think you'll need to get the full SKU, which is often not part of the "part number". The inventory folks tell them apart by using both the part number and the vehicle code.
Part numbers often reflect what the function of the part is. A headlight for the TSX may have the same number as the RL, TL, or MDX as all of them are headlights. I think you'll need to get the full SKU, which is often not part of the "part number". The inventory folks tell them apart by using both the part number and the vehicle code.
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Originally posted by Booyah
For me, When I pay in the mid to upper 30's for a nice vehicle of any kind I want a nice sounding stereo...something I dont need to upgrade immediatly. Granted there are some of us that feel a factory stereo just wont do period!!
Off the TL a bit, has anyone heard the Mark Levinson system in the Lexus's...simply outstanding
For me, When I pay in the mid to upper 30's for a nice vehicle of any kind I want a nice sounding stereo...something I dont need to upgrade immediatly. Granted there are some of us that feel a factory stereo just wont do period!!
Off the TL a bit, has anyone heard the Mark Levinson system in the Lexus's...simply outstanding
Outstanding is not the word. Now that is a system!!!!!!
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what happened to the option sheet that was promised?????? By Motor!! Damn I cannot wait till this car come out---its killing me
what happened to the option sheet that was promised?????? By Motor!! Damn I cannot wait till this car come out---its killing me
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Originally posted by EmuMessenger
For those of you dismissing Bluetooth, have you seen it work in a car?
If it is anything like other cars using it, a great example would be for those with the navigation system...
If you have your Bluetooth phone in your trunk and get a call, the caller ID will display on your navigation screen and it will show the name if it is programmed on your GSM SIM card. Additionally, you will be able to have a truly hands-free conversation using the car's audio speakers.
You will also be able to dial from your phone's directory and access the calendar through the navi screen.
The above comments all assume Acura will configure Bluetooth as others, including BMW have implemented the functionality.
For those of you dismissing Bluetooth, have you seen it work in a car?
If it is anything like other cars using it, a great example would be for those with the navigation system...
If you have your Bluetooth phone in your trunk and get a call, the caller ID will display on your navigation screen and it will show the name if it is programmed on your GSM SIM card. Additionally, you will be able to have a truly hands-free conversation using the car's audio speakers.
You will also be able to dial from your phone's directory and access the calendar through the navi screen.
The above comments all assume Acura will configure Bluetooth as others, including BMW have implemented the functionality.
With all of the talk of regulating cell phone useage in cars due to carelessness of drivers, this may be the wave of the future (if and when the feds say if your holding your phone while driving you'll be ticketed 500-1000 dollars ).
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Originally posted by Varmint
See... This is why I was hesitant to join this forum. I can't keep up!
On MSRP: Acura cares about sale prices because they do have an effect on how the brand name is perceived. Right now, the domestics are having a heck of a time trying to get people weaned off the incentives they have been offering for the past year. Your neighbor buys a new Ford truck for $8,000 off the MSRP. Six months later, you go there and try to get a similar deal on another Ford. You can't, so you walk. These low prices cheapen the image of the brand. Unless the domestics do something drastic, they will never get people to pay MSRP again. Acura is trying to avoid that.
On resale, sale prices affects the owners who did pay full MSRP. You buy at MSRP, then sell a year later. The depreciation is about $3K. That 3K is subtracted from the current selling price, not the full MSRP you paid for it.
See... This is why I was hesitant to join this forum. I can't keep up!
On MSRP: Acura cares about sale prices because they do have an effect on how the brand name is perceived. Right now, the domestics are having a heck of a time trying to get people weaned off the incentives they have been offering for the past year. Your neighbor buys a new Ford truck for $8,000 off the MSRP. Six months later, you go there and try to get a similar deal on another Ford. You can't, so you walk. These low prices cheapen the image of the brand. Unless the domestics do something drastic, they will never get people to pay MSRP again. Acura is trying to avoid that.
On resale, sale prices affects the owners who did pay full MSRP. You buy at MSRP, then sell a year later. The depreciation is about $3K. That 3K is subtracted from the current selling price, not the full MSRP you paid for it.
Based on the success of the Acura pricing strategy starting with '99 TL, then with the MDX and continuing with TSX, it will be a while before we see Acura selling the new TLs at 3K under MSRP (like Infiniti/Nissan for their 1st year models). Up until the beginning of this year, you were fortunate to get $1000 off of MSRP on a MDX! As a result, I'm willing to bet that we won't see customers getting $1K off MSRP until Q2 of 2004. This is all based on the allocation Acura assigns for the 5sp Autos and the 6sp trannies.
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I talked with my friend at the dealer and gained some more insight on the MSRP matter. Basically as I said before, it's extremely unlikely you'll be able to get the new TL under MSRP for the first couple or even possibly several months. As Varmint mentioned, name prestige has a lot to do with it. Moreover, if Acura sees that a certain dealership is giving deals on the new TL right away, they'll assume there isn't much of a demand there and they will relocate future allocations to other dealerships where the demand is high. This of course is undesirable by the dealers. Acura knows this is a widely anticipated car and they know the demand is strong. Also as previously mentioned, selling at the MSRP helps to keep up the resell value which is appreciated by buyers. Finally, selling at the MSRP means that dealerships can afford to buy even more cars from the manufacturer. Acura likes their dealers to make profits, because then they can order more cars and sell more of Acura's merchandise, also, it keeps up the market reputation of the new product.
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Originally posted by RJC RSX
i agree, i expect hp to be the same across all the trim lines. My guess is 280, give or take a few ponies
i agree, i expect hp to be the same across all the trim lines. My guess is 280, give or take a few ponies
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i dont think they'll be a "type-s" for another 2 years. The HPT model should satisfy the enthusiasts for now. After the 05 RL debut, I can imagine an IMA TL model...pushing 350hp perhaps
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Originally posted by Varmint
See... This is why I was hesitant to join this forum. I can't keep up!
On MSRP: Acura cares about sale prices because they do have an effect on how the brand name is perceived. Right now, the domestics are having a heck of a time trying to get people weaned off the incentives they have been offering for the past year. Your neighbor buys a new Ford truck for $8,000 off the MSRP. Six months later, you go there and try to get a similar deal on another Ford. You can't, so you walk. These low prices cheapen the image of the brand. Unless the domestics do something drastic, they will never get people to pay MSRP again. Acura is trying to avoid that.
On resale, sale prices affects the owners who did pay full MSRP. You buy at MSRP, then sell a year later. The depreciation is about $3K. That 3K is subtracted from the current selling price, not the full MSRP you paid for it.
See... This is why I was hesitant to join this forum. I can't keep up!
On MSRP: Acura cares about sale prices because they do have an effect on how the brand name is perceived. Right now, the domestics are having a heck of a time trying to get people weaned off the incentives they have been offering for the past year. Your neighbor buys a new Ford truck for $8,000 off the MSRP. Six months later, you go there and try to get a similar deal on another Ford. You can't, so you walk. These low prices cheapen the image of the brand. Unless the domestics do something drastic, they will never get people to pay MSRP again. Acura is trying to avoid that.
On resale, sale prices affects the owners who did pay full MSRP. You buy at MSRP, then sell a year later. The depreciation is about $3K. That 3K is subtracted from the current selling price, not the full MSRP you paid for it.
Oh, and whe all new Ford has new names for some of it's up and coming.
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What everybody has forgotten is that there are TLs being discounted right now...all the 03s. The 03s are still inbound as we speak. There will be plenty of 03 TLs in dealer lots when the 04s hit the market. As far as the car holding MSRP goes who is to say what will happen in the fall. IMO...rather its a 03 or 04 I will let the market decide what price the car will or should sale for.
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Originally posted by need4spd
I agree it will be 280 +/- a few ponies. The three dealers that I have spoken to (for what they may or may not know) have said the HP to be either 280 or 285 depending on the dealer.
Regarding the head lights being the same p/n as the TSX, the spy photos don't show it. If you zoom in on the head lights in the two pictures, you can clearly see that the yellow turn indictator in the TSX is NOT between the the low beam and high beam reflectors. also, the two beams (low/high) are imeadiately adjacent to each other, leaving no room for a turn indicatator.
While I love the TSX head light cluster, I can't say it will be in the TL from what I have seen - Sorry Huskerfan, not sure the info is correct.
But I guess this is what this section is all about, rumors, you just need to be able to read between the lines.
Thanks everyone for all the info so far!
I agree it will be 280 +/- a few ponies. The three dealers that I have spoken to (for what they may or may not know) have said the HP to be either 280 or 285 depending on the dealer.
Regarding the head lights being the same p/n as the TSX, the spy photos don't show it. If you zoom in on the head lights in the two pictures, you can clearly see that the yellow turn indictator in the TSX is NOT between the the low beam and high beam reflectors. also, the two beams (low/high) are imeadiately adjacent to each other, leaving no room for a turn indicatator.
While I love the TSX head light cluster, I can't say it will be in the TL from what I have seen - Sorry Huskerfan, not sure the info is correct.
But I guess this is what this section is all about, rumors, you just need to be able to read between the lines.
Thanks everyone for all the info so far!
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Originally posted by justinjsw
What everybody has forgotten is that there are TLs being discounted right now...all the 03s. The 03s are still inbound as we speak. There will be plenty of 03 TLs in dealer lots when the 04s hit the market. As far as the car holding MSRP goes who is to say what will happen in the fall. IMO...rather its a 03 or 04 I will let the market decide what price the car will or should sale for.
What everybody has forgotten is that there are TLs being discounted right now...all the 03s. The 03s are still inbound as we speak. There will be plenty of 03 TLs in dealer lots when the 04s hit the market. As far as the car holding MSRP goes who is to say what will happen in the fall. IMO...rather its a 03 or 04 I will let the market decide what price the car will or should sale for.
Although 03 TLs are still inbound, has production stopped yet or are these the last allocations going to each dealer?
Also, do you know how long it would take for the Marysville Plant to change from producing the 03s to the 04s?
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Don't apologize...it wasn't my post. I was simply relaying what I found on the TL/CL forum. I can't vouch for its accuracy.
Don't apologize...it wasn't my post. I was simply relaying what I found on the TL/CL forum. I can't vouch for its accuracy.
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Am I correct, will the 04 TL have an Acura variation of the Honda HIDS system (Honda Interactive Driver Support System), sort of an electronic accident avoidance system as shown on the Honda of Japan site for the 04 Insight?
Am I correct, will the 04 TL have an Acura variation of the Honda HIDS system (Honda Interactive Driver Support System), sort of an electronic accident avoidance system as shown on the Honda of Japan site for the 04 Insight?
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You also forget that when the then-new 99 TL debuted, it was priced lower than the outgoing TL. Also, the competition was less than enthusiastic for that particular market - the Lexus ES300 was nowhere as opulent inside and radically designed on the outside as the new model. Cadillac had no CTS, Audi and Infiniti barely had a pulse.
The MDX is a crossover SUV - those things are hot. Sporty sedans? Not really. Just because it's new doesn't necessarily mean MSRP for buyers, e.g., look at the TSX.
When a car is discounted, the marque doesn't suffer. The marque suffers when it has something like a sub-20K RSX in its "luxury" lineup - then it looks cheap. But if the TL's MSRP is, say, 33K, and someone buys it for 31.5K - who's gonna know?
This is not flaming, it's called a discussion. If you can't handle that, please don't respond to my posts. I found that little comment at the end of your post to be rather insulting. I have never presented myself as someone belligerent, I do not know why or where you came up with that and I will certainly not discuss with someone who thinks that way of me.
You also forget that when the then-new 99 TL debuted, it was priced lower than the outgoing TL. Also, the competition was less than enthusiastic for that particular market - the Lexus ES300 was nowhere as opulent inside and radically designed on the outside as the new model. Cadillac had no CTS, Audi and Infiniti barely had a pulse.
The MDX is a crossover SUV - those things are hot. Sporty sedans? Not really. Just because it's new doesn't necessarily mean MSRP for buyers, e.g., look at the TSX.
When a car is discounted, the marque doesn't suffer. The marque suffers when it has something like a sub-20K RSX in its "luxury" lineup - then it looks cheap. But if the TL's MSRP is, say, 33K, and someone buys it for 31.5K - who's gonna know?
This is not flaming, it's called a discussion. If you can't handle that, please don't respond to my posts. I found that little comment at the end of your post to be rather insulting. I have never presented myself as someone belligerent, I do not know why or where you came up with that and I will certainly not discuss with someone who thinks that way of me.
Your right on every statement you made. It was a different time in 99 there was no competition, so to speak.
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Originally posted by need4spd
Justin,
Am I correct, will the 04 TL have an Acura variation of the Honda HIDS system (Honda Interactive Driver Support System), sort of an electronic accident avoidance system as shown on the Honda of Japan site for the 04 Insight?
Justin,
Am I correct, will the 04 TL have an Acura variation of the Honda HIDS system (Honda Interactive Driver Support System), sort of an electronic accident avoidance system as shown on the Honda of Japan site for the 04 Insight?
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i thought the 04 TL production was being moved to Japan? Not that it makes much sense, but I could have sworn that's what I read somewhere
i thought the 04 TL production was being moved to Japan? Not that it makes much sense, but I could have sworn that's what I read somewhere
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It's true. The JDM Inspire will move production to Japan and our TL (supposedly, the JDM's new Legend) will be produced here.
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I meant no insult. I thought I would take a lot of heat for stating that I thought it would be MSRP for a while..
Your right on every statement you made. It was a different time in 99 there was no competition, so to speak.
I meant no insult. I thought I would take a lot of heat for stating that I thought it would be MSRP for a while..
Your right on every statement you made. It was a different time in 99 there was no competition, so to speak.
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About the MSRP---
When the New Accord came out No dealer Sold below Sticker Price in my city. They said every car goes for whats on the sticker. If hond didnt go below stick why should Acura?
When the New Accord came out No dealer Sold below Sticker Price in my city. They said every car goes for whats on the sticker. If hond didnt go below stick why should Acura?
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Originally posted by acuraman
Also, do you know how long it would take for the Marysville Plant to change from producing the 03s to the 04s?
Also, do you know how long it would take for the Marysville Plant to change from producing the 03s to the 04s?
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Originally posted by bdt980
About the MSRP---
When the New Accord came out No dealer Sold below Sticker Price in my city. They said every car goes for whats on the sticker. If hond didnt go below stick why should Acura?
About the MSRP---
When the New Accord came out No dealer Sold below Sticker Price in my city. They said every car goes for whats on the sticker. If hond didnt go below stick why should Acura?
Like I originally said, anyone who would pay MSRP for the new TL must really want one. The market has changed. The smart consumer should wait to see if discounts can be had. And no Varmint, when I say "discount" I don't mean the $8,000 kinds that Ford and GM hand out. By discount, I mean buying at invoice or $1,000 below MSRP - I still don't see how that could damage a brand's image. Anyone who expects anything beyond that off of a brand new luxury car is clearly not right in the head. Besides, with the Ford analogy, it's not like Ford had any brand image to retain anyway.
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Lets try and spend more time on the details of the car, I think we killed the pay MSRP or less issue.
Ultimately it is up to the buyer, dealer, market conditions and what both are comfortable with. Nothing we say on this site will change what happens between the dealer and buyer (all though it was informative).
I guess the details are kind of slow so we picked up this alternate discussion.
Thanks
Ultimately it is up to the buyer, dealer, market conditions and what both are comfortable with. Nothing we say on this site will change what happens between the dealer and buyer (all though it was informative).
I guess the details are kind of slow so we picked up this alternate discussion.
Thanks
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Originally posted by need4spd
Lets try and spend more time on the details of the car, I think we killed the pay MSRP or less issue.
Ultimately it is up to the buyer, dealer, market conditions and what both are comfortable with. Nothing we say on this site will change what happens between the dealer and buyer (all though it was informative).
I guess the details are kind of slow so we picked up this alternate discussion.
Thanks
Lets try and spend more time on the details of the car, I think we killed the pay MSRP or less issue.
Ultimately it is up to the buyer, dealer, market conditions and what both are comfortable with. Nothing we say on this site will change what happens between the dealer and buyer (all though it was informative).
I guess the details are kind of slow so we picked up this alternate discussion.
Thanks
I would not buy a new house, but I might send someone $.02 via PayPal for some concrete specifications on the new car.
We seem to have some color and model information, how about some concrete specs.
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Originally posted by phile
The dealers in your city were floating on clouds. Honda sells roughly 400,000 Accords per year - anyone who paid MSRP either wanted to be the first to own one or he could simply afford to pay MSRP (which he is free to do so - I just don't agree he should).
Like I originally said, anyone who would pay MSRP for the new TL must really want one. The market has changed. The smart consumer should wait to see if discounts can be had. And no Varmint, when I say "discount" I don't mean the $8,000 kinds that Ford and GM hand out. By discount, I mean buying at invoice or $1,000 below MSRP - I still don't see how that could damage a brand's image. Anyone who expects anything beyond that off of a brand new luxury car is clearly not right in the head. Besides, with the Ford analogy, it's not like Ford had any brand image to retain anyway.
The dealers in your city were floating on clouds. Honda sells roughly 400,000 Accords per year - anyone who paid MSRP either wanted to be the first to own one or he could simply afford to pay MSRP (which he is free to do so - I just don't agree he should).
Like I originally said, anyone who would pay MSRP for the new TL must really want one. The market has changed. The smart consumer should wait to see if discounts can be had. And no Varmint, when I say "discount" I don't mean the $8,000 kinds that Ford and GM hand out. By discount, I mean buying at invoice or $1,000 below MSRP - I still don't see how that could damage a brand's image. Anyone who expects anything beyond that off of a brand new luxury car is clearly not right in the head. Besides, with the Ford analogy, it's not like Ford had any brand image to retain anyway.
Another factor that's important is that Acura does not provide alot of playroom between MSRP and invoice: $2400 for the '03 TL vs. $3700 on the ES300 and $2800 on the G35. (I didn't include the CTS in this category since GM is so incentive crazy...) The lack of 'fluffy' keeps the residuals high (59% vs. 56% on the ES300 and 55% on the G35 on a 36 month lease). As a result, customers will be more willing to pay a price close or equal to MSRP for the '04 TL because they know they can reap the benefits either during the lease due to lower payments or when they decide to sell/trade-in the vehicle.
Simply put, I'll be very surprised to see customers getting 1000 to 1500 off of MSRP on the '04 TL before the end of 2003.
We'll see soon enough.......
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Yeah - not that it matters for a 31 page thread. But let's take the MSRP debate to another thread and stick to news about the new TL here.
Thanks.
Thanks.