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#241
LOL I was going to say the same thing, the Integra, at that time, for what it was, was a great car.
the more i look at this, the more I like it. Acura finally nailed a grille that works - bold, yet sophisticated - and the body work is pretty nice. my only gripe is that the front overhang is a tad long, but that cant be helped due to it being FWD.
i might have to get one of these Acura Civics at some point in my life now...
the more i look at this, the more I like it. Acura finally nailed a grille that works - bold, yet sophisticated - and the body work is pretty nice. my only gripe is that the front overhang is a tad long, but that cant be helped due to it being FWD.
i might have to get one of these Acura Civics at some point in my life now...
#242
I agree with you! I think that this car will sell very well. There are lots of criticisms by various people but we really know too little about this car to criticize or speculate about! I just think that it looks great! :-)
BTW, people have always loved the 2.4L TSX with manual transmission - now we have a small car with less weight, with the 2.4L engine and 6 sp manual - imagine how much fun it could possibly be!!! OK, I am guilty of speculating here... LOL
BTW, people have always loved the 2.4L TSX with manual transmission - now we have a small car with less weight, with the 2.4L engine and 6 sp manual - imagine how much fun it could possibly be!!! OK, I am guilty of speculating here... LOL
There is only 0.6 sec difference 0-60 mph difference between Civic Si and TSX 6MT. Put summer performance tires on TSX and that difference is nearly eliminated. that despite 20% weight difference between the two.
During a back-to-back test with both tires on our figure eight, the Michelin Pilot Exalto summer rubber turned a 0.4-second quicker lap time than the all seasons
Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz1j6hlheBG
The gearing also pays dividends in acceleration, where the Si sedan reaches 60 mph in 6.4 seconds and the quarter mile in 14.9 seconds at 94.8 mph
Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz1j6hfMLfH
Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz1j6hlheBG
The gearing also pays dividends in acceleration, where the Si sedan reaches 60 mph in 6.4 seconds and the quarter mile in 14.9 seconds at 94.8 mph
Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz1j6hfMLfH
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ed_first_test/
First Test: 2012 Acura TSX Special Edition 6-Speed
Get the first three shifts correct from a standstill and you'll see the bright red speedometer needle hit 60 mph in 7 seconds flat. Relatively speaking, that isn't too shabby. Neither is the 15.4-second quarter-mile pass at 90.4 mph
Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz1j6iKYpUB
First Test: 2012 Acura TSX Special Edition 6-Speed
Get the first three shifts correct from a standstill and you'll see the bright red speedometer needle hit 60 mph in 7 seconds flat. Relatively speaking, that isn't too shabby. Neither is the 15.4-second quarter-mile pass at 90.4 mph
Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz1j6iKYpUB
#243
Link: http://www.stangbangers.com/98_Conto...on_Article.htm
Anyone remember this article? "Four-door Party Animals." An Acura Civic (Integra) came in 2nd to an A4 1.8t that cost 4k more in 1997.
Having owned the previous Acura Civic, I don't think its a bad thing to base a car off of a Civic platform.
Of course, back then, the internet wasn't as raging nor was the Civic the cheapo it is now. But I'm merely pointing out that an Acura Civic is neither unprecedented nor a bad proposition.
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Such non-sense. I might have to put you on ignore. Congratulations, thats a first in almost 9 years I've been here.
Such non-sense. I might have to put you on ignore. Congratulations, thats a first in almost 9 years I've been here.
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My impressions, it looks good. It sounds like it will have decent amenities. However, it's wholly underpowered to be considered a competitor to BMW, MB, Audi or Lexus. I do think it will be a sales winner because of its look and lower price point. It will compete with those looking at Mini Coopers, VW Passats, Mazda 3s or Milleniums, Audi hatchbacks and other upscale type cars that aren't considred luxury.
I would buy it if it were just based on looks. It looks like a hybrid of an IS, GS and Audi. However, that anemic engine is a non-starter. Maybe they'll get the 5G TL or 3G RL design right. If so, things will get interesting for Acura.
I would buy it if it were just based on looks. It looks like a hybrid of an IS, GS and Audi. However, that anemic engine is a non-starter. Maybe they'll get the 5G TL or 3G RL design right. If so, things will get interesting for Acura.
Put that in a lighter body and I think it will do just fine, performance wise.
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There are some posters on Azine that aren't egregious enough to ban (or even warn) so, my eyes tend to automatically bounce over their posts. Such is the case with *.
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you know from all the uninformed "its a civic" posts it doesnt really seem that way, yes, some platform sharing is done in better ways than others, sure, i'll agree with you on that one, but i think that platform sharing for the most part is a pretty good thing
If you have a good solid platform, why not use it as the underpinnings for another vehicle?
All the astons come off of a shared architecture, and GM is using the Zeta platform for a variety of sporty underpinnings, and as for Honda, we all know that the civic has a good platform, so for a vehicle of this size it makes plenty of sense for them to use the civic platform over the Accord platform (which serves a large variety of vehicles).
But everyone, even members of the automotive press, are running around like headless chickens saying "omg its an acura civic."
Part of this is also because Acura made the piss poor move of actually reusing the Civic as an Acura in Canada, which everyone will forever mistake as the same thing as platform sharing
If you have a good solid platform, why not use it as the underpinnings for another vehicle?
All the astons come off of a shared architecture, and GM is using the Zeta platform for a variety of sporty underpinnings, and as for Honda, we all know that the civic has a good platform, so for a vehicle of this size it makes plenty of sense for them to use the civic platform over the Accord platform (which serves a large variety of vehicles).
But everyone, even members of the automotive press, are running around like headless chickens saying "omg its an acura civic."
Part of this is also because Acura made the piss poor move of actually reusing the Civic as an Acura in Canada, which everyone will forever mistake as the same thing as platform sharing
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#254
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No - the B5 A4/S4/RS4 was released before the Passat which it shares a platform with. It was the A3 that shared one with the Jetta as well as a number of other VW group cars. The point is, platform sharing can go either way: a cheaper car shares one with a more expensive car, or vice versa.
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So what's going to happen to all those 4 cylinder TSX owners with an AT (which are 90% of TSX owners??) when it comes time to replace their cars? They either settle for an ILX with a likely anemic 2.0L (downgrade), learn to drive a stick to get the 2.4? or upgrade to a TL?
Seems to me that they didn't entirely think this through by keeping the 2.4 MT only.
Seems to me that they didn't entirely think this through by keeping the 2.4 MT only.
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I'm thinking within a year or two or the ILX coming out, they'll probably release more versions of it. So if they do weed out the TSX in a year or two, they'll release more transmission types for the ILX to make up for the loss of the TSX. Or maybe they'll come out with a TLX (tsx/tl) with different engines/trannies and lower the price. Pretty sure they're going to wait to see how well the ILX does and then decide where else to take it.
#258
So what's going to happen to all those 4 cylinder TSX owners with an AT (which are 90% of TSX owners??) when it comes time to replace their cars? They either settle for an ILX with a likely anemic 2.0L (downgrade), learn to drive a stick to get the 2.4? or upgrade to a TL?
Seems to me that they didn't entirely think this through by keeping the 2.4 MT only.
Seems to me that they didn't entirely think this through by keeping the 2.4 MT only.
Not to mention, they'll force you to get the tech package, which I don't need (Satnav get obsolete quick).
I'll say that I'd have a tough time not getting a Mazdaspeed 3 instead....
#259
So what's going to happen to all those 4 cylinder TSX owners with an AT (which are 90% of TSX owners??) when it comes time to replace their cars? They either settle for an ILX with a likely anemic 2.0L (downgrade), learn to drive a stick to get the 2.4? or upgrade to a TL?
Seems to me that they didn't entirely think this through by keeping the 2.4 MT only.
Seems to me that they didn't entirely think this through by keeping the 2.4 MT only.
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I'm thinking within a year or two or the ILX coming out, they'll probably release more versions of it. So if they do weed out the TSX in a year or two, they'll release more transmission types for the ILX to make up for the loss of the TSX. Or maybe they'll come out with a TLX (tsx/tl) with different engines/trannies and lower the price. Pretty sure they're going to wait to see how well the ILX does and then decide where else to take it.
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I'm thinking you are unique in making the jump from TSX to NSX. The more natural progression would be TSX--->TL, etc.
#264
Next Honda Accord that will be smaller will be better choice than ILX. 2.4L DI and V6 (That V6 will be faster and more fuel efficient than 4 cylinder 6MT ILX). no need for premium fuel.
Unless Honda Accord dont get Smart access, HDD navigation, multi-view camera. and with lower Honda prices people can afford HFP package. for differentiation.
I dont believe in NSX in 3 years. You cannot run a premium brand on such small sale volume for too long.
Unless Honda Accord dont get Smart access, HDD navigation, multi-view camera. and with lower Honda prices people can afford HFP package. for differentiation.
I dont believe in NSX in 3 years. You cannot run a premium brand on such small sale volume for too long.
#266
I don't understand, why would I want to go from Acura to Honda, to many people, that's a downgrade despite the similarities.
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Its a valid point. But a bit backwards if that's the case. Why give a customer a reason to jump ship? You should have all their needs covered from Day 1, not react on day 2 and lose sales. Offer up more choices from day 1 and then cut back if need be. The way I see it, when the TSX is gone (and it is gone folks, Vicki Poponi confirmed it) Acura has a gap in their lineup. They're presuming the majority of people will settle for a anemic 2.0L. I just don't see that happening.
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I would have loved to go from my 3G TL to a brand new S2000 two years ago.
#271
In other markets USDM Accord does have HID. and navigation is HDD. see difference.
You will not get this kind of telematics in VW Jetta/Passat & seletable ride settings with AWD. what you will get in the lowest A3 sedan. This is clear differentiation among the brands.
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^^I wonder if we are on his internal ignore list and he's just writing stuff to see his own words.
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Its a valid point. But a bit backwards if that's the case. Why give a customer a reason to jump ship? You should have all their needs covered from Day 1, not react on day 2 and lose sales. Offer up more choices from day 1 and then cut back if need be. The way I see it, when the TSX is gone (and it is gone folks, Vicki Poponi confirmed it) Acura has a gap in their lineup. They're presuming the majority of people will settle for a anemic 2.0L. I just don't see that happening.
I too scratch my head at the exclusion of an automatic transmission for the 2.4 L motor, simultaneously wondering about the lack of a manual transmission for the smaller motors. However, I already see no less than six trim levels on this car and adding transmission choices will only increase the complexity exponentially. So, hopefully they get this car out of the gate and selling well and in 2014 when there is no TSX anymore, they can add an automatic transmission to the 2.4 L. Who knows, maybe by this time they'll be ready with some of the new Earth Dreams technology (do you want to bet this is what they're waiting for?)
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While I suffer no delusions that the 2 L will probably be a little underpowered, no power output figures have been confirmed yet. If they somehow manage to squeeze 160 hp out of the 2 L (like the base RSX), and keep the weight in the 2800 pound range (like the base RSX) it might prove to be an acceptable performer. And as always (for me) it's not about "what it is" it's about "what it is ... for the money"
I too scratch my head at the exclusion of an automatic transmission for the 2.4 L motor, simultaneously wondering about the lack of a manual transmission for the smaller motors. However, I already see no less than six trim levels on this car and adding transmission choices will only increase the complexity exponentially. So, hopefully they get this car out of the gate and selling well and in 2014 when there is no TSX anymore, they can add an automatic transmission to the 2.4 L. Who knows, maybe by this time they'll be ready with some of the new Earth Dreams technology (do you want to bet this is what they're waiting for?)
I too scratch my head at the exclusion of an automatic transmission for the 2.4 L motor, simultaneously wondering about the lack of a manual transmission for the smaller motors. However, I already see no less than six trim levels on this car and adding transmission choices will only increase the complexity exponentially. So, hopefully they get this car out of the gate and selling well and in 2014 when there is no TSX anymore, they can add an automatic transmission to the 2.4 L. Who knows, maybe by this time they'll be ready with some of the new Earth Dreams technology (do you want to bet this is what they're waiting for?)
Are the majority of gen Y kids not as cognizant of HP and more concerned with FE? Without know much about the tech that comes with the trim levels, what buttons does this press for the intended target?
Given that this is going to be in that family sedan price range, I wonder if this car differentiates itself enough in design, lux, tech, and yes, is a 2.0 liter engine/5AT enough to compete. Its hard for me to believe this'll be quick or even fun to drive with the current honda 2.0 liter engines.
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The question really is, will this 2.0 liter (which I'm guessing is the intended best seller) will be enough motor and transmission for the demographic they are aiming it at.
Are the majority of gen Y kids not as cognizant of HP and more concerned with FE? Without know much about the tech that comes with the trim levels, what buttons does this press for the intended target?
Given that this is going to be in that family sedan price range, I wonder if this car differentiates itself enough in design, lux, tech, and yes, is a 2.0 liter engine/5AT enough to compete. Its hard for me to believe this'll be quick or even fun to drive with the current honda 2.0 liter engines.
Are the majority of gen Y kids not as cognizant of HP and more concerned with FE? Without know much about the tech that comes with the trim levels, what buttons does this press for the intended target?
Given that this is going to be in that family sedan price range, I wonder if this car differentiates itself enough in design, lux, tech, and yes, is a 2.0 liter engine/5AT enough to compete. Its hard for me to believe this'll be quick or even fun to drive with the current honda 2.0 liter engines.
When it comes to marketing, I say "never believe it". Marketing is about fostering an image and you market the car to each person's own self image. For example, you don't sell Honda Elements to aging baby boomers by telling them how many Costco sized packages of Depends you can fit in the back. You sell it to them by showing them the active lifestyle that they perceive they lead (remember, baby boomers don't think of themselves as "old").
With this in mind, I think that there is a second market for this car (as with the TSX) for older customers who have had all the fun cars they want, and now want something smaller, that's easier to park, that's good on gas. But, they don't want to drive something as "pedestrian" as a Corolla or a Civic. So I think this car will end up excluding buyers who are on an "upward earning trajectory" and appeal to people on either side of that demographic.
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While I suffer no delusions that the 2 L will probably be a little underpowered, no power output figures have been confirmed yet. If they somehow manage to squeeze 160 hp out of the 2 L (like the base RSX), and keep the weight in the 2800 pound range (like the base RSX) it might prove to be an acceptable performer. And as always (for me) it's not about "what it is" it's about "what it is ... for the money"
I too scratch my head at the exclusion of an automatic transmission for the 2.4 L motor, simultaneously wondering about the lack of a manual transmission for the smaller motors. However, I already see no less than six trim levels on this car and adding transmission choices will only increase the complexity exponentially. So, hopefully they get this car out of the gate and selling well and in 2014 when there is no TSX anymore, they can add an automatic transmission to the 2.4 L. Who knows, maybe by this time they'll be ready with some of the new Earth Dreams technology (do you want to bet this is what they're waiting for?)
I too scratch my head at the exclusion of an automatic transmission for the 2.4 L motor, simultaneously wondering about the lack of a manual transmission for the smaller motors. However, I already see no less than six trim levels on this car and adding transmission choices will only increase the complexity exponentially. So, hopefully they get this car out of the gate and selling well and in 2014 when there is no TSX anymore, they can add an automatic transmission to the 2.4 L. Who knows, maybe by this time they'll be ready with some of the new Earth Dreams technology (do you want to bet this is what they're waiting for?)
I'm sure we'll see the ED 2.0L with the CVT when its ready to replace the current 2.0 and 5AT. Or will Acura decide the CVT isn't worthy of a lux brand? any other lux brand offer a CVT?
Let us know how things play out in the showroom when it comes to the ILX. Should be interesting, I have no doubt you're going to make many new (not current TSX or Acura owners) customers with that car. and the RDX IMO will sell far better than the previous gen. So you should be a busy man comes Spring/Summer.
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Personally, I think there are going to be two intended targets although you only market directly to one of them. I think the "problem" with older forums like this one is that most of the members no longer remember what it was like to have to scrape together a $250 monthly payment. Most of the long time members here are well past that "experience" so it might be helpful to think back to what it was like when you were 18 or 19 years old and, yeah, you wanted a BMW 325i but an Integra was all you could afford.
#279
I dont see anywhere Honda is going to use 6speed auto with 4cylinder if CVT is introduced in Accord and Civic stays 5speed Auto.
ILX is as wide as Honda Accord with big wheel wells. It requires 17inch as base wheels. Wide frontal, underpowered engine with 5speed auto is surely not going to win fuel economy.
ILX is as wide as Honda Accord with big wheel wells. It requires 17inch as base wheels. Wide frontal, underpowered engine with 5speed auto is surely not going to win fuel economy.