Acura: CSX news **2012 Information (page 7)**
#161
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And before you make another nonsense reply, take a look again:
61,041 vs 44,563
If their compact ACE Corolla is that much behind the underpowered 7th gen Civic, imagine what the new Civic can do in the last 2 months in 2005 and the full 2006 year.
Toyota is in big trouble, thats why they don't even bother thinking to make room for Scion in Canada.
61,041 vs 44,563
If their compact ACE Corolla is that much behind the underpowered 7th gen Civic, imagine what the new Civic can do in the last 2 months in 2005 and the full 2006 year.
Toyota is in big trouble, thats why they don't even bother thinking to make room for Scion in Canada.
#162
Originally Posted by MSZ
Toyota is in big trouble, thats why they don't even bother thinking to make room for Scion in Canada.
and you have yet to post the US civic coupe numbers that you say easily outsells scion tC's 70,000+?
#163
Originally Posted by MSZ
Are you fucking blind or what? I said Honda/Acura owned the Canadian market and the numbers I posted already proved you wrong. Since you have so much time to spend on the internet, how about find some useful, real numbers to show us?
1sicklex and you would make a lovely couple.
toyota/lexus outsells honda/acura in canada, so how does honda/acura own the canadian market
#165
Originally Posted by MSZ
And before you make another nonsense reply, take a look again:
61,041 vs 44,563
If their compact ACE Corolla is that much behind the underpowered 7th gen Civic, imagine what the new Civic can do in the last 2 months in 2005 and the full 2006 year.
Toyota is in big trouble, thats why they don't even bother thinking to make room for Scion in Canada.
61,041 vs 44,563
If their compact ACE Corolla is that much behind the underpowered 7th gen Civic, imagine what the new Civic can do in the last 2 months in 2005 and the full 2006 year.
Toyota is in big trouble, thats why they don't even bother thinking to make room for Scion in Canada.
#166
Originally Posted by CanadianDriver.com
Acura introduces new Canada-only CSX compact sedan
Toronto, Ontario – Acura has announced its new CSX luxury compact sedan, which will launch nationwide on November 22 at a base price of $25,400. Built in Alliston, Ontario, the model is exclusive to Canada, and replaces the previous Canada-only, entry-level Acura EL.
The CSX offers a 2.0-litre four-cylinder engine with five-speed manual transmission, and optional five-speed automatic transmission with F1-type paddle shifters. The base Touring model includes four-wheel disc brakes, 16-inch alloy wheels, automatic climate control, cloth upholstery, six airbags, drive-by-wire throttle system and CD/MP3 stereo with six speakers. The Premium, which starts at $28,100, adds leather-trimmed interior with heated front seats, power sunroof, high-intensity discharge headlamps and six-CD changer. Adding a navigation system and automatic transmission tops the Premium sedan out at $31,900.
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#168
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Originally Posted by gilboman
toyota has the new yaris and corolla in the compact market. and from the site you posted, you can see that toyota's compact offerings easily surpass the civic by a wide margin.
The reason why I haven't posted the Civic coupe numbers yet because Honda America never released that. But unlike the "Corolla series" trick Toyota have been using for years, 7th gen Civic sedan and coupe are basically the same thing except the coupe has 2 less doors. Take the Matrix sales away from the sales chart and you will see Corolla was actually outsold by the Civic in the states.
Now you can throw in all "Corolla/Martix/Echo/tC outsold Civic" bullshit you want. I'm done with this topic.
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Originally Posted by gilboman
toyota has the new yaris and corolla in the compact market. and from the site you posted, you can see that toyota's compact offerings easily surpass the civic by a wide margin.
please just stop posting here.
#170
Originally Posted by MSZ
Cry me a fucking river. You are going to put yet another entirely different line(Yaris/Echo) there and tell me their offerings surpass one single Civic line. Look who has been snorting here.
The reason why I haven't posted the Civic coupe numbers yet because Honda America never released that. But unlike the "Corolla series" trick Toyota have been using for years, 7th gen Civic sedan and coupe are basically the same thing except the coupe has 2 less doors. Take the Matrix sales away from the sales chart and you will see Corolla was actually outsold by the Civic in the states.
Now you can throw in all "Corolla/Martix/Echo/tC outsold Civic" bullshit you want. I'm done with this topic.
The reason why I haven't posted the Civic coupe numbers yet because Honda America never released that. But unlike the "Corolla series" trick Toyota have been using for years, 7th gen Civic sedan and coupe are basically the same thing except the coupe has 2 less doors. Take the Matrix sales away from the sales chart and you will see Corolla was actually outsold by the Civic in the states.
Now you can throw in all "Corolla/Martix/Echo/tC outsold Civic" bullshit you want. I'm done with this topic.
you said the civic coupe outsells the scion tC, so you just admit to saying something with absolutely no proof?
#171
Originally Posted by iNteGraz92
the yaris is civic competition?
please just stop posting here.
please just stop posting here.
and best of all the Accord,TSX,TL, RL all share the same platform apparently according to ricekid
but its nice to see you are still delousional. are you gonna come make up stuff like MSZ that can't be backed up so you go post some random numbers?
how bout you say Honda is world's leading PC maker but say the number's aren't available?
you know what..i'm gonna say Toyota is the world's largest starship maker, but like MSZ, i can't back it up... so i'll just post the population of toronto to back it up..um 4.4million
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Originally Posted by gilboman
you know what..i'm gonna say Toyota is the world's largest starship maker, but like MSZ, i can't back it up...
#173
I didn't think that it was Canadian incomes were lower, but rather our expenditures are highter...+15% on the car, +15% on the insurance, +100% on gas, + 15% on service and parts, +300% on scotch, +15% on the tires and fancy rims... Take that $30,000 CSX, with leather and navi, and add $1,500 freight and PDI, plus $4720 in taxes (you probably missed the 15% on the freight and PDI), and you're coming very close to TSX territory.
And then, you add some salt to the wound, which makes a lot of Canadians wonder why they should buy a car which will rust away, in 7 or 8 years, to nothing. The new BMW 3 series is giving 12 years on rust perforation, which sounds like a negotiating point to me.
Looks like noboby's seen the CSX write-up in yesterday's Toronto Star Wheels Section. I thought I'd heard Lawrence Yap's words, "...accelerate with authority..." somewhere before.
And then, you add some salt to the wound, which makes a lot of Canadians wonder why they should buy a car which will rust away, in 7 or 8 years, to nothing. The new BMW 3 series is giving 12 years on rust perforation, which sounds like a negotiating point to me.
Looks like noboby's seen the CSX write-up in yesterday's Toronto Star Wheels Section. I thought I'd heard Lawrence Yap's words, "...accelerate with authority..." somewhere before.
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Originally Posted by gdcwatt
I didn't think that it was Canadian incomes were lower, but rather our expenditures are highter...+15% on the car, +15% on the insurance, +100% on gas, + 15% on service and parts, +300% on scotch, +15% on the tires and fancy rims... Take that $30,000 CSX, with leather and navi, and add $1,500 freight and PDI, plus $4720 in taxes (you probably missed the 15% on the freight and PDI), and you're coming very close to TSX territory.
And then, you add some salt to the wound, which makes a lot of Canadians wonder why they should buy a car which will rust away, in 7 or 8 years, to nothing. The new BMW 3 series is giving 12 years on rust perforation, which sounds like a negotiating point to me.
Looks like noboby's seen the CSX write-up in yesterday's Toronto Star Wheels Section. I thought I'd heard Lawrence Yap's words, "...accelerate with authority..." somewhere before.
And then, you add some salt to the wound, which makes a lot of Canadians wonder why they should buy a car which will rust away, in 7 or 8 years, to nothing. The new BMW 3 series is giving 12 years on rust perforation, which sounds like a negotiating point to me.
Looks like noboby's seen the CSX write-up in yesterday's Toronto Star Wheels Section. I thought I'd heard Lawrence Yap's words, "...accelerate with authority..." somewhere before.
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I'd just save some extra $$$ and get a TSX; it me short on power but it at least looks sharp.
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Originally Posted by heyitsme
Imo they really should have these extra options/features on the US civic to have the same features a Mazda 3 has. I'm not sure why Mazda can do it but Honda can't.
#180
Originally Posted by corey415
Well, the most expensive CSX (highest trim/auto) has a price tag of $31,900 CAD. At today's exchange rate, that's $26,986.49 USD. For that price, I'd rather get an Acura TSX, which is made in Japan, has 50 more hp, available 6-speed manual, VSA/TCS, a longer warranty, 1 inch bigger wheels, and projector HID (instead of reflectors I believe that the CSX has).
#181
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Oh crap so the CSX HIDs are reflectors?? That's really disappointing, I was wondering why none of the pics showed a projector type lens
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Originally Posted by Belzebutt
Oh crap so the CSX HIDs are reflectors?? That's really disappointing, I was wondering why none of the pics showed a projector type lens
My Murano's projector HIDs are WAY better my Maxima's reflector type.
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Drove a CSX yesterday, nothing really stood out but I did like the paddle shifters. The car I drove had no window sticker, was non-navi and apparently sold for $30,000 CAN. Lougheed Acura in Vancouver have a bunch of them.
edit: I was suprised no power seat or homelink is available for this much$, not even as an option.
edit: I was suprised no power seat or homelink is available for this much$, not even as an option.
#185
That's false logic in the automotive world -- you cannot simply use the exchange rate to speculate the price of the same car in the US and vice-versa. The real price in the US is almost always lower than the price in Canada. So, if the CSX was to be sold in the US, it'll most likely cost significantly less than $27K USD.
Originally Posted by corey415
Well, the most expensive CSX (highest trim/auto) has a price tag of $31,900 CAD. At today's exchange rate, that's $26,986.49 USD. For that price, I'd rather get an Acura TSX, which is made in Japan, has 50 more hp, available 6-speed manual, VSA/TCS, a longer warranty, 1 inch bigger wheels, and projector HID (instead of reflectors I believe that the CSX has).
#189
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Originally Posted by chungkopi
i just don't understand this move
Who else would shell out $$$ to get a Civic with leather seats?
For a fully loaded CSX ... you're almost into TSX territory. TSX a much better buy (and built quality), IMHO. Just needs more grunt.
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Originally Posted by derrick
There are A LOT of Canadians who are very brand conscious but don't want to spend the bucks. The CSX has the best of both worlds ... "Acura" name AND Honda Civic utility and fuel economy.
Who else would shell out $$$ to get a Civic with leather seats?
For a fully loaded CSX ... you're almost into TSX territory. TSX a much better buy (and built quality), IMHO. Just needs more grunt.
Who else would shell out $$$ to get a Civic with leather seats?
For a fully loaded CSX ... you're almost into TSX territory. TSX a much better buy (and built quality), IMHO. Just needs more grunt.
The TSX is a fair chunk more expensive though. It's almost $7000 more. If you get Navi on the CSX it's still $4500 more (and that's if you get the TSX without nav).
#191
By the time you add extra fuel for 200,000km of driving a TSX, and the [for the rest of us] 15% taxes on the $9,000 difference between the two cars, plus some financing costs, it's more like a $15,000 difference between the CSX and the TSX, over 7 or 8 years.
And for that kind of difference, there are a whole lot of other choices - so I still think the CSX is one hell of a performance-value package.
And for that kind of difference, there are a whole lot of other choices - so I still think the CSX is one hell of a performance-value package.
#193
Originally Posted by gdcwatt
By the time you add extra fuel for 200,000km of driving a TSX, and the [for the rest of us] 15% taxes on the $9,000 difference between the two cars, plus some financing costs, it's more like a $15,000 difference between the CSX and the TSX, over 7 or 8 years.
And for that kind of difference, there are a whole lot of other choices - so I still think the CSX is one hell of a performance-value package.
And for that kind of difference, there are a whole lot of other choices - so I still think the CSX is one hell of a performance-value package.
but you don't factor in that for that long period of time you are driving an ugly underpowered car that is not in the same class as the car you are comparing to. you have also not factored in any resale values as well so your figures dont work out.
you can only use this kind of logic in comparing two cars that are in the same class with similar comfort/power etc...
#195
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Saw one at the dealership the other day, just from outside. IMO it does not look as good as the Civic, the rear lights especially. It's basically like a Civic rice-out in a not-too-taseful way. But it has all that extra stuff...
#196
Well, Gilboman, we aren't talking about a Daewoo vs a Lexus, but rather the obvious costs of a TSX vs CSX in non-Alberta Canada (ie. a double tax environment, in case you missed that: you don't have to finance the PST in Alberta), and the fact that one car doesn't need premium fuel, which is something like $.40 per gallon more than regular. I was merely pointing out that a TSX is significantly more than $7000 more than a CSX.
You might not be able to turn a pig into a race horse, but for $15,000 you can make an awefully fast pig. Of course, if you make those kinds of mods you'll likely need premium fuel, too.
You might not be able to turn a pig into a race horse, but for $15,000 you can make an awefully fast pig. Of course, if you make those kinds of mods you'll likely need premium fuel, too.
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...the direction of this thread generally indicates that the CSX is probably car that Canadians (by far) appreciate more than Yanks. Admittedly (and assuming this thread is somewhat representative of that market in general), it seems that Honda is justified producing the CSX for up north customers and not for stateside customers.
Maybe Infiniti should reintroduce the G20 for Canadians.....
Maybe Infiniti should reintroduce the G20 for Canadians.....
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Originally Posted by F23A4
...the direction of this thread generally indicates that the CSX is probably car that Canadians (by far) appreciate more than Yanks. Admittedly (and assuming this thread is somewhat representative of that market in general), it seems that Honda is justified producing the CSX for up north customers and not for stateside customers.
Maybe Infiniti should reintroduce the G20 for Canadians.....
Maybe Infiniti should reintroduce the G20 for Canadians.....
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Originally Posted by F23A4
I'd just save some extra $$$ and get a TSX; it me short on power but it at least looks sharp.
#200
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in terms of volume, the EL was boosting the sales like no other model at acura. us market is sooo different than can market (ie : on vtec.net monthly sales reports, about 35 000 accords are sold monthly and only 25 000 civics..... canadian market is the complete opposite in ratio)
as mentionned above, canadians like smaller cars that are fuel efficient and easy to drive in the city and still have some luxury features.
csx is the first to offer Navi in that price range (voice commands the base tsx doesn't have)
the premium non navi has an in-dash 6 cd-changer reading MP3/WMA the tsx-tl-mdx can't have (even through options !)
also, TSX msrp when up again this year :
TSX m ..........$37 330
TSX a .........$38 630
TSX m navi...$40 130
TSX a navi....$41 430
csx m..............$26 680
csx a...............$27 980
csx p m...........$29 380
csx p a............$30 680
csx p m navi...$31 880
csx p a navi....$33 180
at the dealership i work, the first csx sold was a premium navi.
it has the K20 engine that was in the Si (EP3), so it's a nice boost from last EL's 127hp 1.7l
about the performance ? don't be so hard on it unless you have driven one.
it might not have the 200hp the tsx has, but it's lighter (about 400lbs lighter !) and you can really fell that lower weight in accelerating, braking and quick turns.
when lauching the csx, acura invited employees to drive it on a racetrack, and that's where we saw the real potential of the car. my mom has a 6mt TSX so i'm used to how it drives.... and let me tell you that some situations easily achieved with the csx would hardly be done with the tsx because it's wayyy too heavy. i'm not saying the csx is better performing than the tsx, but it's close behind. the biggest difference on feel, is that the tsx feels more stable in fast highway exits and entries (big fast turns).
in conclusion, this car really has its place on the canadian market. acura made its homework and delivered the right stuff.
as mentionned above, canadians like smaller cars that are fuel efficient and easy to drive in the city and still have some luxury features.
csx is the first to offer Navi in that price range (voice commands the base tsx doesn't have)
the premium non navi has an in-dash 6 cd-changer reading MP3/WMA the tsx-tl-mdx can't have (even through options !)
also, TSX msrp when up again this year :
TSX m ..........$37 330
TSX a .........$38 630
TSX m navi...$40 130
TSX a navi....$41 430
csx m..............$26 680
csx a...............$27 980
csx p m...........$29 380
csx p a............$30 680
csx p m navi...$31 880
csx p a navi....$33 180
at the dealership i work, the first csx sold was a premium navi.
it has the K20 engine that was in the Si (EP3), so it's a nice boost from last EL's 127hp 1.7l
about the performance ? don't be so hard on it unless you have driven one.
it might not have the 200hp the tsx has, but it's lighter (about 400lbs lighter !) and you can really fell that lower weight in accelerating, braking and quick turns.
when lauching the csx, acura invited employees to drive it on a racetrack, and that's where we saw the real potential of the car. my mom has a 6mt TSX so i'm used to how it drives.... and let me tell you that some situations easily achieved with the csx would hardly be done with the tsx because it's wayyy too heavy. i'm not saying the csx is better performing than the tsx, but it's close behind. the biggest difference on feel, is that the tsx feels more stable in fast highway exits and entries (big fast turns).
in conclusion, this car really has its place on the canadian market. acura made its homework and delivered the right stuff.