WillTSX

Old Subaru Legacy in 1st place.
Honda S2000 made the list too.

http://www.lemonlaw.com/lemonlist.html

WillTSX

Sorry, I mean Subaru Impreza.
Subaru Impreza 27,952
Infiniti I35 21,372
Audi A4 18,943
Ford Escape 14,441
Ford Focus 13,346
Acura RSX 11,657
Pontiac Aztek 11,537
Ford Excursion 10,277
Mitsubishi Eclipse 9,691
Jeep Liberty 9,450
Chevrolet Corvette 9,214
Chevrolet Blazer 7,938
Suzuki Grand Vitara 7,385
Volkswagen Passat 6,687
Honda Insight 6,496
Volkswagen Jetta 6,152
Acura TL 6,058
Suzuki Vitara 5,913
Land Rover Freelander 5,589
Audi A6 5,571
Dodge Caravan 5,561
Jeep Grand Cherokee 5,235
Honda S2000 5,162
GMC Yukon 5,094
Dodge Neon 5,045

corbs

Four Honda/Acura products on the list. . . that's not so good. I guess that why Colin was saying that Honda beefed up their quality control on the new 05 TSX (resulting in the delay of '05s).

A-Q-R

No BMBWs on the list? damn... TSXers gonna get flame...LOL LOL....I think we deserve it because the TSX is APOS

iNteGraz92

RMATIC09

Stop posting, you stupid

SacQuacker

Did else anyone follow the links to the NHTSA website? I entered 97 Subaru Impeza (a car I used to own) and the list of consumer complaints seemed fairly petty. Granted there was the occassional legitmate safety issue but most things could have easily been worked out with the dealer. Someone actually wrote in to bitch that too much snow gets caught up under his wheel well.
The main complaint about the 2004 TSX seems to be that issue with the driver's seat moving around.

A-Q-R

SO......what?

joerockt

Looks like we've got the next troll.

sipark

troll = in this community.

iamhomin

These are annual stats? If so,

jcg878

x2

phile

Return of sicklex...

supraken

iTrader: (1)

Wow.... the VW/Audi mainstream models are all on the list....

and not a single toyota/Lexus... Acura has a long way to catch up

TSX Hokie

Something is fishy with those numbers. Honda only sells 7-8k S2000s a year, yet they had over 5000 lemon law cases for them in 2004? Rarely do people on S2ki.com have any serious issues with their cars.

EDIT: Nevermind, that number is not the number of cases, but some index relative to the number of vehicles sold.

kurt_bradley

When it comes to the index, one also has to take into consideration that Acura gets a large number of customers that (in the world of fixed operations for Acura dealers) fall under the "Granola OP-code." They complain about the dumbest little things on their cars.

Examples:

When not used to tires equipped with silicon rather than steel belts (like the TL is), complaints arise like "My tires feel like their pulsating." Even if they have been informed that heat desipation has to occur early in the first few miles of each driving day in order to make these belts overlap.

"My engine makes a whirring sound when at speed." referring to the characteristic note of a K-series engine. "Why can't you get rid of that sound?"


The "Granola OP-code" refers to this group of people because it contains the same ingredients: fruits, flakes, and nuts.

joerockt

Comedy...Just because its a characterstic of the car dosent mean something should should change or be addressed.

A lousy "characterstic" of the TSX is the jerk you get when lightly getting back on the throttle after coasting. Still annoying as hell to me. But, when I drove with the tech at the dealership, he never noticed it until I pointed it out. So, who knows, maybe that didnt fall under the Granola code

Godwhacker

There's probably a socioeconomic factor here in that middle to upper class folks are going to complain about smaller problems in their more expensive vehicles. Some of this is justified (if you pay alot for a car, you expect alot) but some of it is also probably unreasonable expectations.

People with less money probably don't care as much if their car rattles like a rattlesnake, as long as it gets them to work, etc.

Lastly, richer folks are more likely to know about the lemon law and also more likely to have an attorney as a friend who can help them through the process.

A breakdown in the type of complaint (major engine/tranny repair vs. less serious offenses rattles, radio, a/c, etc.) would be interesting as well

tsxconvert

i used the lemon law in CA and i'm definitley not rich - i found out all the info on 1 or 2 websites that directed me to a lawyer --in CA if you have a good case and the manufacturer ends up settling, the lawyers fees are paid for by the manufacturer (it cost about $100-$200 for the lawyer to draft a letter) it was pretty painless and anyone with $200 bucks can do it if they have real problems.

my wife and i didn't have unreasonable expectations...we owned a 2000 vw jetta 1.8t that was in the shop 3 to 4 times a month - at vw service dept - they have so many cars in for repair you have to schedule months in advance and bring your car in as soon as the place opens in the am and leave it there the whole day - this gets to be a real pain in the ass especially considering the car was brand new! Not to mention our car got dented and scratched while in for repairs more than a couple times (each time we'd have to argue with the dealer to have them fix it - which in turn = more time in shop)

our car had engine problems (they never fixed - they would diagnose it differently ever time), it had rattles, the stereo had to be replaced, the speakers all blew out (which is hilarious because my wife listened mainly to npr at about volume 2), the air conditioner was poorly disigned and smelled like rotten eggs because of mold caused by condensation that couldn't drain, not to mention manufacturer recalls (engine coils, and numerous other recalls - we continue to get new recalls for that car even though we don't own it anymore)

in our case - it came down to feeling the product we purchased was defective and we simple got tired of wasting our time correcting their problems.