'04 TL info on Consumer Guide website
#1
#3
Ok They Pointed out the 6 MT has a firmer suspension and brembo brakes in front and LSD..
Why does the AUTO not have LSD?
They also pointed out that there will be no more Onstar, Whats the reason for that?
#4
Originally posted by Iceman
$30k - $34k?? Lower than I expected! Of course, what do they know.
$30k - $34k?? Lower than I expected! Of course, what do they know.
#5
Could the TL actually be a whopping 6.3 inches shorter?! I was expecting the wheelbase to go up a couple of inches and the length to be maybe an inch or two shorter. This decreased length along with the 6MT, firmer suspension, and LSD bodes well for handling. Also, someone on vtec.net said the 3575 curb weight was for the auto and that the manual would be a little below 3500 lbs. I hope they are right...
#7
Originally posted by 2004TL
They also pointed out that there will be no more Onstar, Whats the reason for that?
They also pointed out that there will be no more Onstar, Whats the reason for that?
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#8
I'll bet that price range ($30-34K) is on the money. Acura risks losing their current TL customers if they venture into a higher price range. Value is one of the key ingredients of the popularity of this car. The standard features are incredible and 270hp? Nice.
I'm a current '99 3.2TL owner, and everytime I consider any other car (BMW 3-series, Lexus ES330, etc.), I add up the options I want (that the TL spoiled me on) and it's out of my price range.
I'm a current '99 3.2TL owner, and everytime I consider any other car (BMW 3-series, Lexus ES330, etc.), I add up the options I want (that the TL spoiled me on) and it's out of my price range.
#10
What the hell do they know?? I'll bet that they DO know.
Consumer Guide is highly reputable. Not infallible, but bet against them at your peril.
DNB and Acura_Driver are the dudes who did the calculations of the length based on the Seattle pics. DNB got 180" plus or minus 5, Acura_Driver got 185. They were both low, but they deserve credit, because they were really ballsy in going against the "conventional wisdom," and the main thing you could get from them was basically that the car was going to be shorter than you thought -- which turns out to be true.
ACTUAL LENGTH WILL BE 186.2". Take this to the bank.
Consumer Guide is highly reputable. Not infallible, but bet against them at your peril.
DNB and Acura_Driver are the dudes who did the calculations of the length based on the Seattle pics. DNB got 180" plus or minus 5, Acura_Driver got 185. They were both low, but they deserve credit, because they were really ballsy in going against the "conventional wisdom," and the main thing you could get from them was basically that the car was going to be shorter than you thought -- which turns out to be true.
ACTUAL LENGTH WILL BE 186.2". Take this to the bank.
#13
So..... here's how it seems:
Looks like the new TL really is going to be more of a "driver's car," just as we hoped and just as most of you were assuming. But, I think ride comfort is likely to be less good than you thought.
Those of you who thought the car would be about 189 or 190, because it was "just common sense," were wrong. And you may be skeptical, but in almost all instances there's a big ride difference between a 186" car and a 190" car. Most likely the TL will be quite similar to the TSX in almost all respects -- but an upgrade over it.
Kind of like "TSX-supreme."
It's possible, of course, that Acura has succeeded in making the ride comfort more like that of a 190" car, which I think would be unprecedented or close to it -- but I doubt it, because in that case, this would be way more than a 30-34K car.
It'll be great. It'll be a car that most of us will want to have.
But I think they'll lose a lot of the current TL market.
By the way: Aside from the size, the recent specific info that we've gotten from Justin and other authoritative sources has been right. Granted, they didn't give us exact info on size, because they said they didn't really know -- but they implied it would be about 190".
Looks like the new TL really is going to be more of a "driver's car," just as we hoped and just as most of you were assuming. But, I think ride comfort is likely to be less good than you thought.
Those of you who thought the car would be about 189 or 190, because it was "just common sense," were wrong. And you may be skeptical, but in almost all instances there's a big ride difference between a 186" car and a 190" car. Most likely the TL will be quite similar to the TSX in almost all respects -- but an upgrade over it.
Kind of like "TSX-supreme."
It's possible, of course, that Acura has succeeded in making the ride comfort more like that of a 190" car, which I think would be unprecedented or close to it -- but I doubt it, because in that case, this would be way more than a 30-34K car.
It'll be great. It'll be a car that most of us will want to have.
But I think they'll lose a lot of the current TL market.
By the way: Aside from the size, the recent specific info that we've gotten from Justin and other authoritative sources has been right. Granted, they didn't give us exact info on size, because they said they didn't really know -- but they implied it would be about 190".
#15
Wait a minute, wait a minute, WAIT A MINUTE!
It also says this:
"The TL is based on the platform of the Accord sedan from parent-company Honda, but is larger, more luxurious, and more expensive."
LARGER THAN THE ACCORD SEDAN???
If that means what I think it means, it contradicts the statement that the length is 6.3" less than the current TL.
I think that most likely the 6.3 figure is accurate, but this latter statement isn't -- it's somehow a poorly-phrased reference to something other than what it seems to mean.
It also says this:
"The TL is based on the platform of the Accord sedan from parent-company Honda, but is larger, more luxurious, and more expensive."
LARGER THAN THE ACCORD SEDAN???
If that means what I think it means, it contradicts the statement that the length is 6.3" less than the current TL.
I think that most likely the 6.3 figure is accurate, but this latter statement isn't -- it's somehow a poorly-phrased reference to something other than what it seems to mean.
#18
Heres some diff colors for people that requested them
I made the yellow to see what it would look like, I have seen many new yellow Mazda 6's that look nice, not that I would ever buy Yellow, but just wanted to see
I made the yellow to see what it would look like, I have seen many new yellow Mazda 6's that look nice, not that I would ever buy Yellow, but just wanted to see
#25
Originally posted by sparky57
Having both GPS and a cell phone, I have always wondered why someone would pay a monthly fee for Onstar.
rw
Having both GPS and a cell phone, I have always wondered why someone would pay a monthly fee for Onstar.
rw
#26
Can a cell phone remotely unlock your doors if you are locked out?
Can a cell phone remotely diagnose engine problems?
OnStar does offer additional benefits that can't be accomplished by a cell phone, but I couldn't justify the additional cost. I had the first year of basic service free with my 2002 Envoy, and only used it once to set-up the service.
Frank D.
Can a cell phone remotely diagnose engine problems?
OnStar does offer additional benefits that can't be accomplished by a cell phone, but I couldn't justify the additional cost. I had the first year of basic service free with my 2002 Envoy, and only used it once to set-up the service.
Frank D.
#27
Originally posted by fdefulvio
Can a cell phone remotely unlock your doors if you are locked out?
Can a cell phone remotely diagnose engine problems?
OnStar does offer additional benefits that can't be accomplished by a cell phone, but I couldn't justify the additional cost. ..
Frank D.
Can a cell phone remotely unlock your doors if you are locked out?
Can a cell phone remotely diagnose engine problems?
OnStar does offer additional benefits that can't be accomplished by a cell phone, but I couldn't justify the additional cost. ..
Frank D.
Unfortunately there does not appear to be a Japanese car under 34K that has OnStar, XM radio, and steering wheel radio controls. The only car that has all 3 of those features that I could tolerate would be the Pontiac Bonneville. Trouble is I did want to try a Japanese car for the first time in my life.
#29
Originally posted by larchmont
Wait a minute, wait a minute, WAIT A MINUTE!
It also says this:
"The TL is based on the platform of the Accord sedan from parent-company Honda, but is larger, more luxurious, and more expensive."
LARGER THAN THE ACCORD SEDAN???
If that means what I think it means, it contradicts the statement that the length is 6.3" less than the current TL.
I think that most likely the 6.3 figure is accurate, but this latter statement isn't -- it's somehow a poorly-phrased reference to something other than what it seems to mean.
Wait a minute, wait a minute, WAIT A MINUTE!
It also says this:
"The TL is based on the platform of the Accord sedan from parent-company Honda, but is larger, more luxurious, and more expensive."
LARGER THAN THE ACCORD SEDAN???
If that means what I think it means, it contradicts the statement that the length is 6.3" less than the current TL.
I think that most likely the 6.3 figure is accurate, but this latter statement isn't -- it's somehow a poorly-phrased reference to something other than what it seems to mean.
"The TL is based on the platform of the Accord sedan from parent-company Honda, but is larger, more luxurious, and more expensive. The '04 TL has virtually the same wheelbase as its 1999-2003 predecessor, but is 6.3 inches shorter in overall length. Interior dimensions change little."
How is the TL larger than the Accord, 189.5", but 6.3 inches shorter than the current gen TL, 192.5"? That statement makes no sense. Do they mean larger in regards to interior volume?
I would take this write-up with a grain of salt. Although, I hope they are accurate in their comments about pricing.
#30
Originally posted by TColl03
On the $30-34K price range mentioned in the Consumer Guide mini article, I also noticed that AMI Autoworld also said the '04TL's price range is $29.5-34K.
On the $30-34K price range mentioned in the Consumer Guide mini article, I also noticed that AMI Autoworld also said the '04TL's price range is $29.5-34K.
I'd be very happy to get the TL at $34K.
#31
Recall that early TSX price speculation was "$25k-$30k"; we all know it came out mid- to high within that range.
If Consumer Guide says "$30k-$34k", think at least $32k-$34k. Knowing the secrecy with which Honda treats their prices on new models, I wouldn't be surprised if CG is flat out wrong, either.
If Consumer Guide says "$30k-$34k", think at least $32k-$34k. Knowing the secrecy with which Honda treats their prices on new models, I wouldn't be surprised if CG is flat out wrong, either.
#32
Originally posted by Peter7777
People justify insurance policies every day despite their high cost. You may only need it once but that once could come at any time. I think that the cost is justified and I'm seriously thinking of moving away from the TL because OnStar appears to be lacking.......
People justify insurance policies every day despite their high cost. You may only need it once but that once could come at any time. I think that the cost is justified and I'm seriously thinking of moving away from the TL because OnStar appears to be lacking.......
#33
onstar
Im an onstar skeptic too.. but i have to add that I have a friend who rolled his suv on a highway ramp in the middle of the night and was seriously injured and unconscious. His onstar called the emergency services and next thing he knew he woke up inan ambulance on the way to the hospital. He figures it could have saved his lief (never mind how tupid he was to roll the car in the first place)
#34
Originally posted by larchmont
P.S. I sent an e-mail to Consumer Guide, asking about the apparent contradiction.
P.S. I sent an e-mail to Consumer Guide, asking about the apparent contradiction.
"Thanks for the tip we will correct the error."
This came from the Managing Editor of Automotive.
So -- The Managing Editor thought there was indeed an error.
But, which was right and which was the error?
Fortunately, he provided a direct phone number. (How rare is that??? )
So I called, and got him immediately.
He said the info came from the Acura press kit -- and that's what it says there!!! It says both that the car is 6.3" shorter than the current TL, and that it's bigger than the Accord. Obviously, both can't be true, not what they seem to mean anyway.
He said he thinks what they mean is that the length IS that amount, but that the INTERIOR SIZE is bigger than that of the Accord and/or that the car is wider than the Accord.
He says they're looking into it, and that they'll let me know if they get anywhere.
#35
Re: onstar
Originally posted by goldband
Im an onstar skeptic too.. but i have to add that I have a friend who rolled his suv on a highway ramp in the middle of the night and was seriously injured and unconscious. His onstar called the emergency services and next thing he knew he woke up inan ambulance on the way to the hospital. He figures it could have saved his life.......
Im an onstar skeptic too.. but i have to add that I have a friend who rolled his suv on a highway ramp in the middle of the night and was seriously injured and unconscious. His onstar called the emergency services and next thing he knew he woke up inan ambulance on the way to the hospital. He figures it could have saved his life.......
He knows of one instance involving OnStar, and it saved his friend's life, but he's skeptical about OnStar.
I'm not saying it's stupid or anything like that, just that I don't understand it.
#36
Originally posted by larchmont
So -- The Managing Editor thinks there was indeed an error.
But, which was right and which was the error?
He said the info came from the Acura press kit -- and that's what it says there!!! It says both that the car is 6.3" shorter than the current TL, and that it's bigger than the Accord. Obviously, both can't be true, not what they seem to mean anyway.
He said he thinks what they mean is that the length IS that amount, but that the INTERIOR SIZE is bigger than that of the Accord and/or that the car is wider than the Accord.
He says they're looking into it, and that they'll let me know if they get anywhere.
So -- The Managing Editor thinks there was indeed an error.
But, which was right and which was the error?
He said the info came from the Acura press kit -- and that's what it says there!!! It says both that the car is 6.3" shorter than the current TL, and that it's bigger than the Accord. Obviously, both can't be true, not what they seem to mean anyway.
He said he thinks what they mean is that the length IS that amount, but that the INTERIOR SIZE is bigger than that of the Accord and/or that the car is wider than the Accord.
He says they're looking into it, and that they'll let me know if they get anywhere.
I suspect that they mean interior volume is larger than that of an Accord. If the car's exterior is in fact 6.3 inches shorter, at 186.2", I'd be pretty impressed. The Infiniti G35 is about 186.5", I believe.
We'll see very soon!
#37
Originally posted by Skyhawk
Recall that early TSX price speculation was "$25k-$30k"; we all know it came out mid- to high within that range.
If Consumer Guide says "$30k-$34k", think at least $32k-$34k. Knowing the secrecy with which Honda treats their prices on new models, I wouldn't be surprised if CG is flat out wrong, either.
Recall that early TSX price speculation was "$25k-$30k"; we all know it came out mid- to high within that range.
If Consumer Guide says "$30k-$34k", think at least $32k-$34k. Knowing the secrecy with which Honda treats their prices on new models, I wouldn't be surprised if CG is flat out wrong, either.
Well, the new TL is basically the equivalent of the old TL-S. The old TL-S went for about $34,000 with NAV. So, I think your numbers make sense.
The main issue that has me thinking is the difference in price between the TSX and TL lines. The TL will have to be at least $3,000 to $4,000 more to justify the existence of the TSX (then again, it is possible Honda does not play to keep the TSX around forever). So, I would think the bottom line would start about $33, a few thousand above the top of the line for the TSX.
I guess we'll see.
#38
Originally posted by darth62
Well, the new TL is basically the equivalent of the old TL-S. The old TL-S went for about $34,000 with NAV......
Well, the new TL is basically the equivalent of the old TL-S. The old TL-S went for about $34,000 with NAV......
That may be MSRP, I really don't remember -- even though I bought that exact car, not too long ago.
It was Feb. 2002, and the initial price I was quoted (and accepted) was something like $31,700.
More recently, if anything, the actual prices have been even lower. I'm sure there are a few people here and there who might have paid more, but for the most part, that TL-S w/Nav hasn't been going for anything close to $34K any time lately.
#39
Here is the MSRP breakdown for the 2003, according to CG:
Base 4-door sedan $28,980
Base 4-door sedan w/navigation system $31,130
Type-S 4-door sedan $31,330
Type-S 4-door sedan w/navigation system $33,480
The Type-S with nav was 33,980 after destination. We should see at least that price for the 2004, which suggests the numbers CG published already may be an underestimated. Although this is PURE guess on my part.
Note that I am talking MSRP only here. Given that the TL will be a volume car, manufactured in America, discounts should eventually be available.
Base 4-door sedan $28,980
Base 4-door sedan w/navigation system $31,130
Type-S 4-door sedan $31,330
Type-S 4-door sedan w/navigation system $33,480
The Type-S with nav was 33,980 after destination. We should see at least that price for the 2004, which suggests the numbers CG published already may be an underestimated. Although this is PURE guess on my part.
Note that I am talking MSRP only here. Given that the TL will be a volume car, manufactured in America, discounts should eventually be available.
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