autophile1

Just a coupld of more suggestiosn to ad to your audition list. Don't forget you should listen to or try to listen to all of the subs that were mentioned. Only you can decide what sounds best to you.

Crystal CMP12
DEI CompX 12
Crystal CMPX2 12
Image Dynamics IDQ 15 (only needs 1.5 cubic feet sealed)
Diamond Audio MacDaddy (I know someone else mentioned these and was brushed off for having poor SPL, but I feel that they do both jobs quite well...)

These are in no particular order, but my favorite SPL/SQ sub is the Crystal CMP. The CMPX2 may be a better choice since it is a 2 ohm sub (for your amp anyway.)

I am not too knowledgeable when it comes down to pure SPL. I am a SQ fanatic (how can you tell, I use Velodyne subs )

Like I said though, speaker selection is VERY subjective, only you can decide what's best for you, we can just give you suggestions...

96TL

Yo wattup Ron, long time no speak. What subs do you think are best for me? 3 12's...

xjp122x

Hey 96 tl are you still thinking about getting the eclipse titanium? I have heard the eclipse aluminums and they sound awesome. I'm looking for 2 12's that can boom pretty well, too, but also deliver good quality and hopefully I can find an amp or something that has a power or volume control. I know that the eclipse titaniums have 500 more watts than the aluminums, but are they really worth $800 each? Hopefully someone can provide some insight into them, thanks.

96TL

I was thinking of getting Titaniums until I found out they only come in 4 ohm DVC. I could never wire 3 of those unto 1 amp. They're expensive too. You could get JL 12W7's for less than that anyway. They're supposed to be the best subs ever.

98tldriver

Have you looked at the audiomobile mass subs. They are much cheaper than the titaniums and much better.

jbrown

Surprise! somebody replies without reading the thread. Either that or 98tldriver doesn't know what he's recommending. The Audiomobile mass subs have huge magnets, which means low efficiency and big power requirements, and are only available in single and dual 4 ohm impedances. Not a match for 96TL, but they may be good in some applications, though I have never heard them.

96TL

lol. Thats okay. Anyway, I'm definetly getting JL's, just not sure if I'm getting W3's or W6's. My girlfriend's b-day just passed and it kind of banged me out. I'll have them soon, soon....

Austin519

jbrown:
Heh heh jbrown strikes again! Run away run away!!!

96TL:
OMFG! I just had the privilege to hear 2 JL 12 w7's hit 150dB running off of 2 JL 1000.1's. I'm sold, that's it ladies and gents. 96TL come down and hear my system once it's done...wow...

Austin519

96TL

lol. He's funny.


Really? How did they sound? Are they as good as everyone is saying? Too bad you're not closer to me or I really would come by.

Austin519

96TL:
They're worth flying down for They're the best sounding sub I've ever heard...and the loudest, period.

Austin519

jbrown

Yeah, I couldn't resist, I just get so mad when people toss crap out just to see a thread with their $0.02, and it ain't even worth that!

Yeah the W7's are BAD @SS, but even if you had the amps to run two of 'em, you would need to make some serious improvements to your charging system just to feed the amps with the juice they need.

Anyway, with your current situation, I really think you will get better overall performance from three 12W3's than you will from three 12W6's. And I would say that even if I didn't know you were recovering from a girlfriend's birthday.

P.S. spread the word...recommend crap without knowing what's up and I'll flame your @ss like an ant under a chubby kid's magnifying glass. The idea is to help each other by sharing knowledge and experience, not create confusion by tossing out some crap somebody told us once. I implore you all, let's help each other by taking the time to read the threads and respond intelligently. Austin519 is a shining example of someone who is truly trying to help, and I'm sure 96TL appreciates this as much as I do.

Austin519

96TL:
I agree with jbrown completely. 12w3's are newer and sound better. Don't be thrown off by the w3 vs w6.

Austin519

96TL

Austin519

96TL:
Yes well jbrown and I have a very non platonic relationship...oh damn...jbrown I blew your cover I'm sorry hahahahahaha

Austin519

jbrown

Who's your daddy?

Austin519

jbrown:
Heh heh wait a minute...I thought you were the b!tch in the relationship I don't know if I can continue this now jbrown...

Austin519

jbrown

No, Austin, I've told you a thousand times, you're the b!tch and I'm the butch!

Austin519

jbrown:
heh heh I'll leave you with that one Actually I hope that gets cycled into the random quotes. Something I've noticed though...is it me or is EVERY "random quote" someone praising Tim for customer service...don't get me wrong I don't mind, they just don't seem all that random

96TL:
Although I can't really post this anywhere...I have found a guy who is selling a LOT of the 2000 model Rockford Fosgate (not the ugly 2001) for EXTREMELY cheap...if you wanted amps for your subs let me know and I'll hook you up.

Austin519

96TL

Really? Is my 1100A2 enough for 3 12W3's? Anyway, I was thinking of getting a 800A4 for the highs. Even though its a little too much power, I figured I can keep the gains all the way down so it will still sound clean. I have Focal Polyglass 6.5 components in the front and MB Quart 6x9's in the rear. I think that amp would be fine. Can you get me a price on one? I won't be buying it now though. Just curious as to how good his prices are.

Austin519

96TL:
"Really? Is my 1100A2 enough for 3 12W3's? Anyway, I was thinking of getting a 800A4 for the highs. Even though its a little too much power, I figured I can keep the gains all the way down so it will still sound clean."

I think that 1100a2 will be enough. Assuming it's overrated, as they always are...running it at 75% means you will have probably 1100 watts going to each of them. Seeing as how their RMS is 250 watts...they easily need 350 RMS. So as long as you run it right at 75% yes...but you ALMOST need a new amp if you want to give them all the juice they want

"I have Focal Polyglass 6.5 components in the front and MB Quart 6x9's in the rear. I think that amp would be fine. Can you get me a price on one? I won't be buying it now though. Just curious as to how good his prices are."
I can call him and ask...if I had to guess it would probably be 300 shipped. He gave me $185 apiece shipped on each of my 400a4 Power series...hence why I said it was a good deal. Especially froma retailer selling items direct from RF. I emailed him and I will let you know.

Austin

wangx56

Ok I read this whole thread and you guys convinced me with the JL's. Now I have a question, Im thinking of using a bandpass box for 2 12's. Whould the w3's or w6's work better with this? And also what kind of amp do you recomend. I was looking at the PG zx..ti series, you think thats good enough to power 2 12w3's or 12w6's. Appreciate your opinons.

jbrown

Start a new post, this one's gettin outta hand.

96TL

OK. Thank you.

Austin519

jbrown:
Heh seems all threads I post to get out of hand...however this time it's not out of hand because I'm getting the begeezus flamed out of me

wangx56:
"Ok I read this whole thread and you guys convinced me with the JL's. Now I have a question, Im thinking of using a bandpass box for 2 12's. Whould the w3's or w6's work better with this? And also what kind of amp do you recomend. I was looking at the PG zx..ti series, you think thats good enough to power 2 12w3's or 12w6's. Appreciate your opinons"
Ok...wang, I had a bandpass box on my subs, 2 JL 12 w6's, and they sounded spectacular. I've found the w6's take smaller bandpass enclosures...about 1.5-1.7 cu ft, and the w3's take larger ones...about 2.1-2.3. Also the w3's are harder to tune the box for...you do realize to do a good bandpass reflex you have to tune it correct? As for amps, the only amps that I've felt deliver enough power to JL's are JL's or Rockford Fosgates...and I love both, but always run RF on my own stuff, not the 2001 models mind you...the 2000 and down. The 2001's are SO ugly. But well anyway each sub I usually give it 500W. So you need a 1000W amp if you go my way...less if fine but well...if you're interested in RF look at the paragraph below.

96TL:
He replied man...here's a paste:
Austin,
Rockford Fosgate 2000 Models

Model Qty Cost Your Cost $$$$
H500a2 6 250.00ea. 219.99ea
H400a4 1 200.00ea. 169.99ea
H360a2 1 200.00ea. 169.99ea
G250a2 1 130.00ea. 119.99ea
G360a2 1 175.00ea. 139.99ea
G600a5 1 300.00ea. 259.99ea
G800a4 1 275.00ea. 239.99ea

Thanx,

Scott

Now 96TL that's without shipping. By the way...H denoted power series...G denotes punch series. For your ride...I'd say get 2 H500a2's, bridge them, and go with it. They'd sound nice on the subs...that goes for wangx56 too.

Now who ever said I didn't help a fellow TLer out??
Austin519

wangx56

Austin519,
Thanks, appreciate the advice. I prefer the w3's right now, maybe cause my friend had 3 12w6's in a sealed box and it sounded OK. Plus JL also has a bandpass for the w3's. I think its the cb212-w3 I dont have the income to go custom, at least not yet. As for the tunning, Im not too familiar on doing it. But I got a friend that runs a shop so we get most of or installation from him for cheap if not free. Im sure he knows what to do about that. I was also looking at the amps and the JL's really caught my eye. Maybe its because you dont need remote wires, it supposely automatically senses that and also what ohms you runing your subs on. With your advice Im thinking on runing 2 w3's in bandpass with 2 500/1's. What do you think? Now I have to get enough money to buy all that.

Austin519

wangx56:
"I was also looking at the amps and the JL's really caught my eye. Maybe its because you dont need remote wires, it supposely automatically senses that and also what ohms you runing your subs on. With your advice Im thinking on runing 2 w3's in bandpass with 2 500/1's. What do you think? Now I have to get enough money to buy all that."

Yeah I like the JL's for their low THD and their low power consumption. However personally I think they're pretty ugly and look really unprofessional in a "regular" install. Ya know you can use w3's or w6's in that bandpass box...if you can get just the bandpass box. Also think about building your own...it's really easy, cheap, and you can model it after JL's if you don't want to do any thinking. It doesn't sense what impedance your load is...it just has a regulated power supply that will up the power intake if you have a higher load. It's a current regulated power supply I believe...it works independently of the load.

Austin519

Mr.Coe77

You should look it into the CT Meso or Skar vxf.