TSX: System Build (Am i missing something)
04-16-2010, 02:37 PM
#1
System Build (Am i missing something)
Hey All,
I very excited as I am building up my system in my 08 TSX. I wanted to make sure I am not missing anything and also wanted to get everyone's thought and opinions.
Here is my list:
1) Alpine sps600C Front Door (80 rms)
2) Alpine sps600 rear doors (80 rms)
3) Kicker KS6930 Rear Deck (100 rms)
4) Alpine Mrp-f450 for the alpine front speakers (70x4)
5) Orion Cobalt co600.2 for kicker's (100x2)
6) E-dead mat for all 4 doors and rear deck
7) 4 channel interconnect for the alpine
8) 2 channel interconnect for the orion
9) 1 Farad Capacitor
10) JL CLEANSWEEP
11) Dual Amp Install kit (lightning audio) 4 gauge split into 2 8 gauge
Am i missing any items? Do I need some type of harness? LineDriver?
I very excited as I am building up my system in my 08 TSX. I wanted to make sure I am not missing anything and also wanted to get everyone's thought and opinions.
Here is my list:
1) Alpine sps600C Front Door (80 rms)
2) Alpine sps600 rear doors (80 rms)
3) Kicker KS6930 Rear Deck (100 rms)
4) Alpine Mrp-f450 for the alpine front speakers (70x4)
5) Orion Cobalt co600.2 for kicker's (100x2)
6) E-dead mat for all 4 doors and rear deck
7) 4 channel interconnect for the alpine
8) 2 channel interconnect for the orion
9) 1 Farad Capacitor
10) JL CLEANSWEEP
11) Dual Amp Install kit (lightning audio) 4 gauge split into 2 8 gauge
Am i missing any items? Do I need some type of harness? LineDriver?
04-16-2010, 03:01 PM
#2
Not familiar with the cleansweep so I can't point you in the right direction in regards to harnesses, but I'm assuming theres a harness to connect the stock harness to it.
Missing:
(Depending if your amps have RCA outputs)
Either:
A- 2 Y splitters (female in to two female out) + another set of 2ch rca's
B- If there is RCA outputs, another set of 2ch RCA's to connect the two amps
Some things to consider:
1. Ditch the capacitor. Upgrade all your grounds instead (And battery + but not necessary). Probably could do without the upgrades - this is a fairly low powered system you're planning to run
2. Use the Orion Cobalt for your Fronts instead of the kicker ; Use the alpine 4ch for your rear doors + rear deck. A solid front stage is far more important for sound quality.
3. You're gonna need maybe 50ft of speaker wire as well. 16gauge minimum
4. I prefer two 2ch rcas over a 4ca rca - gives you options to play with in terms of running the wire/altering the setup if needed.
Missing:
(Depending if your amps have RCA outputs)
Either:
A- 2 Y splitters (female in to two female out) + another set of 2ch rca's
B- If there is RCA outputs, another set of 2ch RCA's to connect the two amps
Some things to consider:
1. Ditch the capacitor. Upgrade all your grounds instead (And battery + but not necessary). Probably could do without the upgrades - this is a fairly low powered system you're planning to run
2. Use the Orion Cobalt for your Fronts instead of the kicker ; Use the alpine 4ch for your rear doors + rear deck. A solid front stage is far more important for sound quality.
3. You're gonna need maybe 50ft of speaker wire as well. 16gauge minimum
4. I prefer two 2ch rcas over a 4ca rca - gives you options to play with in terms of running the wire/altering the setup if needed.
04-16-2010, 04:56 PM
#3
Not familiar with the cleansweep so I can't point you in the right direction in regards to harnesses, but I'm assuming theres a harness to connect the stock harness to it.
Is this the mercman harness i read about?
Missing:
(Depending if your amps have RCA outputs)
Either:
A- 2 Y splitters (female in to two female out) + another set of 2ch rca's
B- If there is RCA outputs, another set of 2ch RCA's to connect the two amps
Well i have 1 set of 4channel JL interconnects for the apline and 1 set of 2 channel stinger for the orion, does that make a differenece at all?
Some things to consider:
1. Ditch the capacitor. Upgrade all your grounds instead (And battery + but not necessary). Probably could do without the upgrades - this is a fairly low powered system you're planning to run I like this idea
2. Use the Orion Cobalt for your Fronts instead of the kicker ; Use the alpine 4ch for your rear doors + rear deck. A solid front stage is far more important for sound quality.
really even though that the alpine's are 80rms and the kickers are 100rms?
3. You're gonna need maybe 50ft of speaker wire as well. 16gauge minimum any brand preference?
4. I prefer two 2ch rcas over a 4ca rca - gives you options to play with in terms of running the wire/altering the setup if needed.
Is this the mercman harness i read about?
Missing:
(Depending if your amps have RCA outputs)
Either:
A- 2 Y splitters (female in to two female out) + another set of 2ch rca's
B- If there is RCA outputs, another set of 2ch RCA's to connect the two amps
Well i have 1 set of 4channel JL interconnects for the apline and 1 set of 2 channel stinger for the orion, does that make a differenece at all?
Some things to consider:
1. Ditch the capacitor. Upgrade all your grounds instead (And battery + but not necessary). Probably could do without the upgrades - this is a fairly low powered system you're planning to run I like this idea
2. Use the Orion Cobalt for your Fronts instead of the kicker ; Use the alpine 4ch for your rear doors + rear deck. A solid front stage is far more important for sound quality.
really even though that the alpine's are 80rms and the kickers are 100rms?
3. You're gonna need maybe 50ft of speaker wire as well. 16gauge minimum any brand preference?
4. I prefer two 2ch rcas over a 4ca rca - gives you options to play with in terms of running the wire/altering the setup if needed.
04-16-2010, 04:59 PM
#4
is this a good buy for speaker wire? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWAX:IT
also, would I need a line driver?
also, would I need a line driver?
04-16-2010, 05:02 PM
#5
or is this a better buy for speaker wire? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWAX:IT
04-16-2010, 05:42 PM
#6
The more flexible the wire the easier it is for you to work with (Higher strand count = more flexibility).
Knukonceptz.com is usually my go-to spot for speaker wires /power wire (Fleks power wire pref.) Price is competitive compared to other wires similar in quality - their power wire is very comparable to the Kicker hyperflex.
Speaker wire brand doesn't really matter, but I like the Kicker speaker wires - high strand count + looks cool (black & blue). Very flexible and easy to work with.
You won't need mercman's harness - that's a whole 'nother way to bypass the stock amp.
You'll need to figure out how to connect the cleansweep to your stock amp on your own.. i dont know how that system works. My guess is that it's some sort of hi-level input (AKA probably tapping into your stock speaker wires/speaker harnesses and on the opposite end it'll be a plug that plugs into the cleansweep)
While you're doing the right thing trying to feed your speakers their RMS power, it's always better to give them a little extra, or at least have the power there available to them if they need it. I'm feeding my 150rms speakers 220rms (tune accordingly)
I did the research for you regarding what you need to do with the RCA's
You're gonna have to ditch the 4ch RCA's and pick up a 2ch rca + 2 Y splitters (female to 2 male - excuse the typo on the first post, I was thinking 3 amps, in which case you'd need extra rca's and f-2f splits)
(i have a extra 6M long knukonceptz krystal rca i can sell ya if ya need it)
Here's a diagram of how you'll probably be running the wires
also, if you havn't already ordered your parts - might i suggest some better front speakers? Type-S's are a great upgrade on a stock system, but since you're amping them, it might be more worthwhile to amp some nicer ones :}
Knukonceptz.com is usually my go-to spot for speaker wires /power wire (Fleks power wire pref.) Price is competitive compared to other wires similar in quality - their power wire is very comparable to the Kicker hyperflex.
Speaker wire brand doesn't really matter, but I like the Kicker speaker wires - high strand count + looks cool (black & blue). Very flexible and easy to work with.
You won't need mercman's harness - that's a whole 'nother way to bypass the stock amp.
You'll need to figure out how to connect the cleansweep to your stock amp on your own.. i dont know how that system works. My guess is that it's some sort of hi-level input (AKA probably tapping into your stock speaker wires/speaker harnesses and on the opposite end it'll be a plug that plugs into the cleansweep)
While you're doing the right thing trying to feed your speakers their RMS power, it's always better to give them a little extra, or at least have the power there available to them if they need it. I'm feeding my 150rms speakers 220rms (tune accordingly)
I did the research for you regarding what you need to do with the RCA's
You're gonna have to ditch the 4ch RCA's and pick up a 2ch rca + 2 Y splitters (female to 2 male - excuse the typo on the first post, I was thinking 3 amps, in which case you'd need extra rca's and f-2f splits)
(i have a extra 6M long knukonceptz krystal rca i can sell ya if ya need it)
Here's a diagram of how you'll probably be running the wires
also, if you havn't already ordered your parts - might i suggest some better front speakers? Type-S's are a great upgrade on a stock system, but since you're amping them, it might be more worthwhile to amp some nicer ones :}
Last edited by wong05tsx; 04-16-2010 at 05:46 PM.
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04-16-2010, 06:46 PM
#9
Ok i kinda got it but kinda lost at the same time.
Why should i lose the 4 channel rca's?
Why do i need y splitters for?
I plan on removing the stock amp and placing the jl clean sweep in its place.
Everything has been already purchased minus the rear speakers and speaker wire. (Still kinda of debating if I should go with the kicker ks6930 or alpine sps609 for the rear deck. Kinda leaning towards the kicker becuase they hit at lower freq. (30hz)
Last edited by BellAtheTSX; 04-16-2010 at 06:49 PM.
04-16-2010, 06:48 PM
#10
also the speakers come with adapter brackets? Are those suitable?
from my previous research I shouldnt need a line driver since I am not running any bass from subwoofers correct?
from my previous research I shouldnt need a line driver since I am not running any bass from subwoofers correct?
04-16-2010, 07:13 PM
#11
Line driver just boosts the signal coming from the HU (Noise reduction). You don't need one.
Since you're relating line driver with subwoofers, I'm assuming you mean 'line out converter'. You don't need that either - usually only used when adding a subwoofer to a stock system.
Speaker brackets - you'll just have to try it and see (Most likely you'll have to drill new holes). MDF spacers might yield slightly better..though negligible results since it'll probably be a tighter seal than the plastic brackets the speakers usually come with, it'll also give you more clearance from the window (if clearance is a problem)
Since you're relating line driver with subwoofers, I'm assuming you mean 'line out converter'. You don't need that either - usually only used when adding a subwoofer to a stock system.
Speaker brackets - you'll just have to try it and see (Most likely you'll have to drill new holes). MDF spacers might yield slightly better..though negligible results since it'll probably be a tighter seal than the plastic brackets the speakers usually come with, it'll also give you more clearance from the window (if clearance is a problem)
04-16-2010, 07:20 PM
#12
Ok i kinda got it but kinda lost at the same time.
Why should i lose the 4 channel rca's? Keep them. See my post w/ second diagram. disregard what i said about the rca's on the first diagram post
Why do i need y splitters for? You can't feed 4RCA inputs with 2RCA's can ya?
You've got 2 (Left+Right) rear rca outputs on the cleansweep, but you have 4 rca inputs on the amp(2 rear doors, 2 rear deck). You have to share that signal My first diagram illustrated what you would do if you wanted a mono signal. To get a stereo signal to the amp you have to Y split it at the cleansweep (2 RCA's per)
I plan on removing the stock amp and placing the jl clean sweep in its place.
Everything has been already purchased minus the rear speakers and speaker wire. (Still kinda of debating if I should go with the kicker ks6930 or alpine sps609 for the rear deck. Kinda leaning towards the kicker becuase they hit at lower freq. (30hz)
Why should i lose the 4 channel rca's? Keep them. See my post w/ second diagram. disregard what i said about the rca's on the first diagram post
Why do i need y splitters for? You can't feed 4RCA inputs with 2RCA's can ya?
You've got 2 (Left+Right) rear rca outputs on the cleansweep, but you have 4 rca inputs on the amp(2 rear doors, 2 rear deck). You have to share that signal My first diagram illustrated what you would do if you wanted a mono signal. To get a stereo signal to the amp you have to Y split it at the cleansweep (2 RCA's per)I plan on removing the stock amp and placing the jl clean sweep in its place.
Everything has been already purchased minus the rear speakers and speaker wire. (Still kinda of debating if I should go with the kicker ks6930 or alpine sps609 for the rear deck. Kinda leaning towards the kicker becuase they hit at lower freq. (30hz)
04-18-2010, 01:04 PM
#13
wong, thanks for all the great advice! Just one other question...
based on the limk of the apline amp i noticed a set of outputs channel 1+3 and channel 2+4 outputs! what are these for?
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/pictu...ture_id=154953
based on the limk of the apline amp i noticed a set of outputs channel 1+3 and channel 2+4 outputs! what are these for?
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/pictu...ture_id=154953
04-18-2010, 09:46 PM
#16
my installer recommended using the clean sweep for a crisper sound. Since im bypassing the stock amp and using the aftermarket amps i think that is why he recommended using the cleansweep!
04-18-2010, 10:34 PM
#18
The Clean sweep is a big waste of money, with the TSX all of the factory equalization takes place in the amp, the head unit is flat and requires no help. The Alpine amps will not work if you try to connect them directly to the HU. The factory HU has a balanced output and the Alpine amps do not have balanced inputs. It won’t work. Find an amp with balanced inputs.
Jeff
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