should i do 2 10's or 1 12" alpine type r's. i don't listen to any rap. but a lot of "indie" rock, and guitar and drum driven music.

 

Go with (2) 10's

 

why? just wondering

 

Rock usually has really fast beats and larger the cone slower it is. I mean its really hard to tell though. But for rock usually 8's and 10's are the best.

 

This is a common myth in car audio. It has more to do with a sub's design than its size. Another sub to look at would be the Diamond Audio D6.

 

yea it is somewhat of a myth. But for his application 10's would be the best. Also the Diamond Audio D6 are some really reallly awesome subs

 

i get a discount on alpine, so im sticking with alpine, so overall, 2 10's

 

Bestbuy?

 

I will go agianst what is being said I would go with 12s... While there "may" be a slight differance in response you most likley will not be able to hear it.. A pair of 12s will have the ability of getting louder and going lower.. While you may not want anything that loud at the moment keep in mind its always easier to keep the sub level down if you dont want it louder then it is to get louder with subs that are at there max. Also anyone who has a system will tell you after listening to it for about a week you ALWAYS want more.. its nice to have that ability..

 

I am by no means an expert, but am a fan of single sub boxes. I have a single 10" orion cobalt sub and amp, and am very impressed with its performance.

 

10's for rock........12's and 15's for that thick black dirty dirty south ghetto ass quad!

 

2 10's are much better for rock. 12's would hit harder and deeper, but would be more suited to rap.

 

You guys have no idea. It depends on the sub more than the size. I'd rather have 2 12" Diamond Audio subs for rock than 2 10's by Kicker or Rockford Fosgate. Check out a real car audio forum and you'll get the same response.

 

You're right! I have no idea what I am talking about. I have only tried 5 subwoofer setups in my TSX in the past 5 months alone. Although that doesn't account for the last 8 vehicles I have owned that have all had subs and amps from 8's to 18's. BTW- here is my most recent set up.
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...61_58_full.jpg
A 10 and a 12...the best of both worlds!

Do you have a pic of the system you designed and installed yourself?

I would like to see what the gods at a "real" audio forum have taught you.

BTW-Comments like that aren't gonna win you any popularity contests around here.

I stand firmly by my first post!

 

In my last vehicle i had 5 different sub/amp combinations in 1.5 years and i designed and installed them all myself. I've got everything ordered for the 1st part of my install on my TSX.
Another thing you should know is its highly frowned upon to mix/match sub sizes in the same vehicle, you will get whats called a comb filter effect, or cancellation of lower frequencies. If it sounds good to you thats all that matters and i'll be sure to post some pics of my new setup as soon as its installed.

 

from my expericene I say the 10's I have designed and built numerous systems for friends cars. One friend only listens to rock and he had a single 12 and was lookin for more accurate bass. Went with 2 10s diamond and he was alot happier. Also I have tried 2 10's in my car and they sounded awesome on techno and rock.


Check out sounddomain.com. I have also reviewed many subs. I usually buy subs to just test them out.


I jsut think 2 12s are a lil overkill for rock.

 

I heard this so many times and all I have to say to the "nay sayers" is sit in the passenger seat and tell me what frequencies have been cancelled out as your eyes cross when the bass hits high and low

BTW-where does everyone think the bass goes?

 

That is the best damn lookin TSX I seen man. And awesome trunk setup..

 

It doesn't go anywhere, people are often careless with language as a result of (and/or results in) careless thought...it would be perception of bass that could be affected. Much the same as people say bass is omnidirectional, it isn't, sound waves travel like sound waves, the human brain has more difficulty in pinpointing the origin of low frequency sounds than high. Anyway, I'm not doubting the setup. Actually, I'm curious, have you tried using a steep slope crossover between the two - i.e. upper subbass range to the 10", lower range to the 12"? Likely overkill in that if there were a benefit it wouldn't be worth the cost...but just curious if you've considered/tried it.

 

They are crossed over differently. Can't remember the exacts, but they are run off of seperate amps and crossed over at different freqs. It sounds good the way it is or I would be working to get to sound better.

 

The 10" is just low passed at a higher freq. or is it bandpassed (discounting any sub/infrasonic filter)?

 

spoon-I think they are both set for low pass with diff cutoffs. Will have to look at where it ended up after tuning. I think the x9's might be considered to be set for bandpass though since the lows are cut out and the highs are cut out.

 

2 10's in what kind of box?

 

If you are sticking to alpine go with the dual 10s. They would be more accurate for your music, and depending on the amp ... would most likely be more efficient than a single 12. 2 10s = 20" of cone area. 20" > 12" You can do a nice sealed sq box with the Type R subs, under 2 cu ft box.

 

sealed

 

Close, but no cigar. Two 10" drivers would yield an estimated total piston area of 157.08 sqare inches. A single 12" driver would yield an estimated piston area of 113.1 square inches. Kind of puts things a little more in perspective.

For the record, I'd also go with the 10" over the 12" driver all other things being equal...preferrably one over a pair if set up properly.

Multiple drivers of different sizes working within the same frequency range is silly and will lead to more trouble than it's worth...and I'm not even sure what it is worth. Adding more than one crossover to facilitate, say, a 10" and 12" working at different crossover points adds many wildcards into the overall frequency response of the vehicle.

My ? Unless you're going for major SPL on a competition level, invest in a high-quality 10" (or pair if you must) that has a respectible efficiency and match it to a similar amp that fulfills the sub's power requirements. You'll wind up with a small footprint, great response and plenty of output with minimal slop and clipping.

 

Thats ^^^ it. I couldnt remember how you do those measurments. You seen pretty stuck on alpine. What is your budget? A nice 10" woofer is all you really need for daily listening use, that is in a good install.