gdatw019

anybody have some input on the powermouse or the subs in them. ive been contemplatin buying the dual 10" POwermouse and i dont know what i should do considerin the ARE $700!! any ways i would really appreciate any input u have or have haerd about them..thanks

gdatw019

someone please answer..dont leave me hangin like this..haha

gdatw019

someone please answer..dont leave me hangin like this..haha

gdatw019

oops accident

magiviper

never heard anything about them until recently but they look like decent speakers I geuss lol this is completely uneducated

merlyn

I have a dual 10" box. I have been on the mic 3 times...and i'm averaging 146db. The sound is very clean....yes yes yes, it is a bandpass box...but it's actually designed correctly. anyone in the S.CALI area want to hear it? if pics are wanted, i can get some too.

magiviper

yeah i want pics... anybody got a website or anything?

gdatw019

www.rmscaraudio.com

gdatw019

hey merlyn... what amps are u carryin with the dual 10???

gdatw019

amp*

merlyn

I'm running a 6500D by mtx for the subs and a 4244 also by mtx for the rest of the speakers in the car.

http://216.40.247.61/showthread.php?...highlight=subs

car_lost

sweet... how much did it come out to total with the amps?

gdatw019

what components did u throw in their for the 4244 to power? and how mch did all that cost?...

gdatw019

no more advice...please help..?

Madgreek

i want to hear them!!! i might be going to san diego to visit a friend at school. if i do i will PM u

Darkshear

iTrader: (1)

wow, that $700 is just for box and subs! too much, way over priced i think. Unless they are 2 10w6 or 7's.

My sealed box with 2 10w3's, a 500/1 and a 300/4 was a little more than that. but not much.

preludeshfan

the dual 10's is capable of 150 db i have seen it beat a pair of W7 12's in a ported box running 2 times the power.
you really get what you pay for.
the box actually sounds a little closer to a pair of 12-15" subs while having the low bass responce of 18's. and still keeping the tight responce of a pair of 10's in a sealed box.

also consider your getting an amp rack and custom lighted glass panels in any of 8 colors.

if you dont care for the amp rack or dont want to add the space look at the dual 10 mouse box for 625.00

preludeshfan

hey if you up to a drive we will be at CES next week. merlyn will be showing it off.
there will be an email to get info from where and when to meet up.
if your interested email me at rmscaraudio@yahoo.com
im also suggesting people can email me at that address using your cellphone. most cell phones will allow you to send emails this way. if you do that and plan to be at CES I will be able to reply and give a time and place if anything has to change for some reason.

sssick

Why is that too expensive? Because it doesnt have a name on them like JL? Those speakers could be built better and sound better than the JL's.

I bought a set of 6.5" components, imported from Germany with no name on them. They were around $500. Thats damn expensive for speakers with no name. But I took a shot and they completely blow away my Diamond Hex's I had prior, as well as many other speakers I have heard.

My point is don't knock something if 1) You've never heard it 2) Just because it doesnt have a name on it.

car_lost

werd... as soon as i get my second job... the money i get from that, im gonna save it to buy the dual 12's box.

gdatw019

yea by the way they talk about the dual 10's and 8's the dual 12's are gonna hurt someone...

car_lost

I KNOW!!! i'll be setting off house alarms with that thing.

gdatw019

hell yeah!!!!

car_lost

would you happen to know how many the dual 12's can hit?

merlyn

sorry guys..i'm back. In the front i've got a set of mb quart's and in the rear i've got a set of JBL components. I'm getting either a second set of mb quarts up front...OR switching out to 2 sets of JL audio up front. Anyway...as preludeshfan said..i'll be at CES friday/Sat/ and Sunday...Anyway, if you're interested in hearing the box in San Diego, hit me up at squak2me@san.rr.com and if you're going to be at CES and would like to hear it, send an e-mail to that e-mail address posted earlier.

preludeshfan

ok we have determined a meeting spot we will be meeting at the Fashion Show Mall at 6PM on saturday the 11th. we are going for 6 because the Show hours are over at 6Pm
To get to the Fashion Show mall, go down Las Vegas BLVD from the Convention Center. You will need to go South, and head down until you reach Spring Mountain, then you make a right, and it is on the right. Meet in front of the Macys in the Macy parking lot.
look for a Blue RSX type S and a crowd of people.

also if your at the show stop by HP Distributing Booth Numbers
4643
4645
LVCC No 1-4
There will be a dual 8 Power Mouse on display, there will be no bass playing on it but you can get a close up look at it. also if the meeting spot should change for any reason information will be provided there as to any changes.
just ask for Tobi

gdatw019

so who has the dual 12's???...

car_lost

any know how many decibels those can hit?

preludeshfan

well considering we did 149.9 with the 10's my guess is in the 150+ range

car_lost

dude... what are you waiting for?!?!?! arent u the creator of the powermouse??? test it out!!

gdatw019

yea seriously..haha..why wont you???

merlyn

we had about 8 people actually jump into my car...all of them left amazed....so i'm proud of my setup and since it's proven itself again.

preludeshfan

its on a long list of things to complete, i could just build the box thats not the problem. but when you plan to build hundreds you have to get the tooling setup to get them made.
i did recently get a request for one and if he buys it will move to the top of the priority list. when you run a business you tend to do the things that actually generate income first.

car_lost

oh... hehe sorry... i was just anxious to know how many decibels it could hit. in most local car shows here, the norm is like between 140 and 150... and lucky if theres anyone above that. btw... those peopl usually have like 15's and big systems, yet the cant do better.

preludeshfan

building a SPL system is more difficult than most realise. to do it correctly you need to first of all have adequet space for the subs. i see way too often where people use a lot of big subs in a small box. when you deny the sub the airspace it needs it takes a lot more power to get it to move very far.
if you take 2 12" subs and hit 140 db with them then add 2 more in the trunk and making the box a little bigger but not 2 times as big you will most likely see only gains of 1 - 2 db if that. whereas you whould be getting 3 db for getting 2 times the cone area. as you can see in a perfect you can only expect 3 db total for adding 2 times the subs. SPL is log function not linear.

as you can see to get the numbers is a hard challenge, the next hardest thing to get is a usable frequency responce. a lot of SPL cars have ported boxes that are tuned for 1 note. i have yet to see any box that can hit these numbers that my box hits while maintaining a flat responce. in every case the SPL system had a ported box tuned to the resonant frequency of the car.

bozzchem

It sounds great on paper. So does the Deathbox from Decware. (http://www.decware.com/dbk10.htm)

I purchased a pre built Deathbox sight/sound unseen and installed three different brands of subs...it never did what was claimed and there was no chance of a refund. $$$ burned - lesson learned. They claimed that one 10 in the Deathbox could outdo 2 12s in a sealed box. Maybe in their shop. I'd like to see them put any 10 they want in their Deathbox against my two 12" IDQs. I'm talking SQ not SPL. The Deathbox went to the scrapyard. My IDQs have been hitting hard for two years since.

I'm not knocking the "mouse" but anything that doesn't come with a 100% money back guarantee is something to look twice at.

Especially when it costs $700. What happens if you get it and don't think it lives up to it's reputation? Can you send it back? Who pays for return shipping?

I'm guessing that it will cost close to $75 just to ship.

Again, I'm not flaming, I'm just curious. I may end up getting one myself. Like I said, it sounds great on paper. Two 10s that hit as low as 18s yet still maintain the SQ of 10s...kind of hard to believe. Plus, I like the smaller footprint it provides.

Any chance of hearing a set in NC? Are they going to be strictly mail order or are they in the process of setting up dealerships?

I'm curious, so I'll be looking to hear a set.

preludeshfan

yea i know i heard about the death box also. the concept is a neat idea but unfortunatly you can only decrease space on 1 side while increasing it on the other. therefore you cant control the overall size of the box.
i dont have any in NC but several in GA and 1 in TN several in NY on the east coast thats about it.
there is a refund policy and so far not 1 person has even given it a second thought after getting it. The return policy has a restocking fee and yes you would have to pay shipping back. So far shipping has not exceeded $69 anywhere in the US.
I know buying online is risky and the points you made would concern anyone. but if it makes you feel better you should read the testimonials on my website. at www.rmscaraudio.com also as you have seen in this thread people rave about it. these are people that actually own one.
I could give you links to several sites where my customers came from. Iwould invite you to do a search on any of the sites listed below and search for the words "power mouse" or "powermouse"
look for these words on
www.****************
www.clubrsx.com
www.hondasociety.com
www.accordv6.com
www.highaltitudeimports.com
www.

you will be sure to run across several people who either own one or have heard one. to date not 1 single person that has heard it in person thought anything bad about it at all. in fact they all were totally amazed.
i know 700 for a dual 10 is a little steep but consider that i am not selling at dealer cost online. i am surrounded with products online that sell for wholesale all around me. I am selling my products at a discounted retail price. I think if you were to go to a stereo shop and describe the box I build having lighted covers, custom etching, neon, built in amp rack, ability to hit numbers as I claim and excellent sound quality backed by a two year warranty, I think you would have to agree that not only would a shop not be able to provide such a product but if they could I guarantee you their price would be well over $1400 - $1800 including installation, parts, labor, etc. What I'm offering is this unit which possesses all of these properties in one small, efficient package that requires no installation skills whatsoever and anyone can install it themselves.
to be quite honest im a little suprised myself. typically people have different taste when it comes to subs. but so far not 1 single negative comment or bad experience with it.

everything i have said about it is the same things i have said to the people that bought and after they received one they are usually telling me it had more bass than they thought.
i have also had several people from shops that sell caraudio for a living. these people have at 1 point seen or heard it all. and they were always full of questions and in total disbelief at the product after hearing it. some of them i would consider to be the most SQ orentied people i have met in the business.

to end it is possible that such a box exists. thats the reason i have a patent pending on the product.
i would be happy to answer any questions you may have on AIM at kcampb2678 im usually online all day making sales.
hope to hear from you.

systek

ever since this thread first started, i have been very skeptical as well. a 10 that plays as low as an 18 but still maintains sq and gets loud as well??? i highly doubt it really hits hard and maintains sq unless it is servo controlled. did u say bandpass? even less likely it will cover 10hz-60hz....(typical for an 18)

what is a bandpass box? a box that acts like a xover, cutting off frequencies at both ends of the spectrum. they are also usually boomy, cause they peak at their tuned frequency, not what i would call a flat response at all. then again, maybe the FR is 40hz-70hz and that range is flat. if you have been involved in any form of audio like i have for as long as i have...then u can understand my skepticism...

as for that prefabbed box....they usually dont work. you have to take the box's size and tuned frequency and mate it w/the TS parameters of the sub. if it makes a good match, it will work great. if not, then all u get is a useless box. so for them to say that any 10" sub will work great in that box is pure horsesh!t

preludeshfan

i totally understand your being skeptical, for the record i have been an installer for about 15 years now. im 32 years old now. i have spent a lot of my install days tweaking boxes trying to get the perfect sound from them.
your right any prefab bandpass box would sound like crap if it is not tuned for the sub. that is exactly why this box does what it does. the subs and box are computer aligned for each other. thats why i have my own subs custom built for this box. i had the voice coils upgraded to 3" diameter instead of 2" that is typical of subs in the industry. that is why i can throw 1000 watts into the sub in .4 cuft without overheating the coils.
i would agree that most prefab bandpass boxes arent capable or doing what my box is capable of. and i am also not suprised you havn't heard one you liked. there are few people that understand how to tune one correctly and there are even less that would take on the undertaking i have to actually design one from the woofer up.
belive me your not the first person i have run into online that was unwilling to belive such a box could exist.
fact is there are a lot less of thoes people still thinking it's not possible. i would actually offer you money if at this point you could find 1 person that could tell you this design doesnt do exactly what i claim it does. i know it sounds impossible but you have to remember anything is impossible untill you prove it can be done. just because you havnt seen it yet dosnt mean it dosnt exist.
if you like ill post a frequency responce curve for you that compares a pair of Brama 12" subs in 2.5 cubic feet sealed verses a dual 10 power mouse.
this is an incar example with the cabin gain set to 50 hz 12db per oct gain which is typical of any car.
the green line is the power mouse and the red is the pair of 12" bramas

if you follow the green line from the 0 reference point you will see it crosses the reference line at 27 hz, typically you count the pint the box crosses the -3db point but as you can see that line never crosses the -3 point all the way across the graph. but if you only consider the portion of the graph where the output never falls below the peak of the graph at +3db you will find that without varying more than 3 db in any direction the usable bandwidth of the box is between 27-117 hz.
the bramas are loosing output across the whole bandwidth at a rate of almost -6db over the majority of the bandwidth.
if you compare the output of the 2 designs at 50 hz you will see that the PM has almost 9 db gain over the brama and this is running the same power. if you know about db.s you know this is almost 2 times as loud. the reason is simple, a bandpass is way more efficient than a sealed box, considerably more efficient than a ported box. and in this case flatter than the sealed design. one of the reasons a bandpass plays so low is because the tuning of the low end of the bandwidth is controlled by the size of the sealed chamber while the highpass is controlled by the ported chamber. by choosing just the right driver to work in this box you have control over the box size, the tuning frequencies chosen, and the overall bandwidth.
while a bandpass box has a narrower band of frequencies what difference does it make as long as the bandwidth covers the range you intend to use it for?
also because the sub is contained inside the box any distortion you would normally hear off the surface of the cone is totally absent in a bandpass. any frequencies that are above the tuning frequency of the port are kept inside the box.
there are no overtones, harmonics, distortion that will be heard with this design.
as far as tight accurate bass goes, people often refer to this as transients. by that definition transients are the speakers ability to reproduce changes in direction quickly. by this very definition transients are more niticable in the upper bandwidth of the subs responce curve. as you can see this design has about 6db more ability to reproduce thoes transients at say 60-80 hz than the sealed design has.
this is partially to so with the fact i use a very light weight cone and voice coil as well as having just the right amont of magnet strength without overdamping the speaker.

BTW since you live in Austin have you heard of Austin 519 that used to moderate this board? he is now mod on acuraforms. he has personally heard this system. ask him what he thinks.
also if your interested i have a customer that lives in austin with a dual 8 box running off of a JL 250 /1 he reports he has had to turn the gains down 3 times because he said he had too much bass. i recently took a trip to austin this last summer and met up with him again. my personal opinion is he still has too much bass.
i have personally tested the dual 8 on a meter and with only 150 watts RMS per sub we managed 136.5 at the dash of a subaru WRX wagon. i am quite confident that the JL amp has more potential than the one we used. and for what it's worth the dual 8 has exactly the same frequency responce as the 10 or 12" counterparts. why mess with a good frequency responce?
contrary to popular belief the size of a sub has nothing to do with the frequencys it plays. the reason a larger sub typically has lower responce is because a larger cone has more weight. when you add weight to a sub you lower it's free air resonance. also a larger sub usually winds up in a larger box and therefore it plays lower for thoes 2 main reasons. it has nothing to do with how much air it moves. the only thing moving more air does is generate more SPL. thats why the boxes i make only vary in the amount of SPL potential they have.
i have also measured 149.9 at the dash of a 91 VW GTI running a pair of 10's and 1500 watts (750 per sub) still not the max power this system can handel so i know 150db is possible.

merlyn

i don't know how you can't trust this product guys....a lot of people have it...and no one who has one does'nt like it. I give all of you my word...maybe to some that isn't anything, but it's all i can give...i give you my word that these subs are beautiful, and the sound is amazing. I don't know how much more preludeshfan can do to help you guys along w/ the process of buying a sick subwoofer set up...but he knows his ****...and his products rock.