finalcross

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Hey, I don't know much about audio so i wanted some help from you guys. I am about to purchase 2 used 12" Sony Xplod Subs in a box along with a Kenwood (KAC-7252) 1000 Watt Amp for $120. The girl said she used them for about a year to year and a half. From the pictures, they look very clean too. She said that she doesn't need them anymore because they bought a Wrangler which needs a weather-proof box.

I found this on craigslist of course. Do you guys think it is a good deal? I thought it was, even though I don't know much so tell me before I get ripped off.

Also, if I am going to put this into a 03 TL, how do I hook it up. I have a uncle who knows how to wire this stuff but can I use the amp and sub with the original radio because I don't wanna buy an aftermarket HU. Also can I use the stock amp to power my speakers and add this one to power my sub or would it be easier to just have one amp power everything? And what am I suppose to do with the original sub? Leave it there or take it out and put the plastic "Bose" cover back on. Thanks Guys.

mattastick

Not a good deal. Subs are worth maybe $15-20 each, amp maybe $50... Either way, look elsewhere for equipment.

finalcross

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Really? Sony Xplodes are like around $50-100 new and the amp is like $150. And it includes the box for the sub and all the wires.

fourthmeal

Agreed, not worth it.

They may RETAIL for that price, but it doesn't mean they are worth that. There is better stuff for less money is what we are saying.

finalcross

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Damn really. I really had my mind set on these. This is the first system I'm purchasing so it's like a starter system to play with. I'll try to negotiate it then. I know a lot of people think lowly of Sony xplods. Wat would be a fair price for 2 12" Sony xplods in boxes with a 1000 watt 2 channel kenwood amp with all the wires for putting it together. Thanks guys and wat could I really get for $120.

fourthmeal

Well first let's put things in perspective, the Kenwood you are speaking of can produce a maximum RMS of 500W Bridged at 4ohm.

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...+KAC-7252.html

Its not a bad amp mind you. If you could buy it by itself, that would be pretty sweet. Maybe $75-90 if in mint condition.

Its the subs I have issue with. Also I think with an amp that is a 2ch running two subs, you may want to make very sure that the subs chosen are working and wired at the proper ohm spec. For instance, if those two Sony's were 4ohm subs, and they were wired parallel, that's a 2ohm load which will smoke that amp in bridged configuration. IF on the other hand those subs were 4ohm, and each one was wired to the amp individually, then the amp is working at only ~170W per channel, which is weak-sauce and that amp is putting out nowhere near its capacity.

You might want to get some specs on the subs to determine how it was set up. As far as actually buying the subs.. .I guarantee I can find you something better for less.

eggyhustles

Yes, those subs suck..but both you guys are wrong.

He won't get anything better for 120 bucks.

120 can get you a used sub and amp..no box though

fourthmeal

Yes true, but consider they might not even be wired right! EEK

I was thinking with that amp a single ported Polk 10" for $50, so that's under $120 w/ the amp if you can snag it cheap enough. + Box, but really who wants a generic box?

fourthmeal

Anyway, I'll let you decide what to do. To answer your other questions in your post,

The amp in the car is just powering the sub. There is no other amp other than the HU. Since you are keeping the HU, all you really need to do here is find the wiring to the sub signal and wire that into your aftermarket amp and sub. The how-to's are here on the forum, at the 2nd gen DIY section. Now, remove the stock sub, put some speaker cloth or acoustically transparent foam in the hole because when you hit the brakes, you'll get white light in your rear-view mirror through the hole without it! Your new sub and box should probably face rearward, it seems to work fine the way I have mine set up.

Know anybody who knows how to work with wood?

eggyhustles

what about the rsd 12 thats 40 bucks on sonic?

eggyhustles

Actually, op...snag this

http://www.amazon.com/AMP-2X150W-OHM...=2L23SO31EFLK8

You'll get 300 x 2 @ 2 ohms or 600 x 1 @ 4 ohms

can't be that for 110

finalcross

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Thanks guys. I'm negotiating with the seller to see if I can get it for $90 for that everything. If I could, that would be great.

Thanks fourthmeal, I guess I have to remove my stock sub. I saw something about leaving the stock sub and amp and hooking up the other subs and amps and doing something to make them bump at the same time or would that just be too annoying and not that great.

And eggyhustles, you said what I was trying to say. I've looked around I can't get much for $120 so that much for a full set up is great for me. I'm going to have my uncle take a look at it for me. He hasn't worked in cars for centuries (literally) so if he can't do it would you wanna eggyhustle for some money?

And if the Sony Subs do really suck like everyone says they do (even on youtube), I guess I'll keep the amp and get some better subs.

eggyhustles

dude, save up for something better.

fourthmeal

That MB Quart is awesome for the money.

Remember there is always something nice about owning an amp or whatever from brand new. In this case, the MB Quart puts you in great shape for the future, and is a great amp period.


Don't forget to save money for the wiring you'll need. About $40-60 should do it.

I'd recommend you do it yourself for the learning experience, but read thoroughly and create a gameplan with everything beforehand. Start with the DIY's I mentioned I think.

fourthmeal

http://meniscusaudio.com/polk-subwoofer-p-825.html

One of these in a proper ported box will kill. That's my vote. with maybe that Kenwood amp, or something else.

eggyhustles

http://cgi.ebay.com/10-POLK-High-EXC...item563fdaa3b3

same sub?

that + the dsc 2150 would be nice

You could snag another one in the future for your front stage and be set

fourthmeal

Nice find. It isn't exactly the same, the PSW1000 is that one, and the one in the Meniscus audio is supposed to be a TSL. Slightly different specs. I'd go with whichever one has the cheapest shipping!


Hey, you know what you could do is buy a 4ch amp (like the MB Quart) and just bridge the rear to the sub, and power your fronts. Probably costs within $20 of the same price.

eggyhustles

10 dollars shipping for the tsl vs 25 for the psw

fourthmeal

Just pondering the ultra-cheap sub options:

I need to find the specs but Lightning is basically Rockford
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Lightning-Au...item58820bac56

Same here, again OK brand, need to double-check specs
http://cgi.ebay.com/New-PowerBass-PS...item4a9e86cbc0

Ditto
http://cgi.ebay.com/SCOSCHE-EFX-P104...item43a1e59e74

Again, super nice potentially but need specs to measure
http://cgi.ebay.com/MB-QUART-Formula...item5adc801b8f


I'll try and dig more on this if it is a direction worth considering

on1wheel01

For a cheap temporary system that would be fine. For $120 it is what it is. You wouldn't catch it in any of our cars but hey. For the money do it

finalcross

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Damn that person didn't pick up their phone today. I texted and said $90 and then I called like 3 times and they never picked up. Maybe they got mad that I said $120 one day and then the next I said $90 lol.

Yeah, of course I wouldn't find it in your cars. You guys are too professional to run a cheapo system like me. But this would be a great starter system to just mess around with. And if the subs break, I'll just take it apart and play around with it.

eggyhustles

why not just save up for something better?

finalcross

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Cause if I had that money, I would rather get something to make my car look nicer or performance parts. And I don't want anything too nice on the car. I live in between 2 projects so a lot of broken windows around here. Don't want someone braking into my car cause they heard my subs and tearing everything apart. That's why I always hide everything. Around here, even a quarter might give someone the obligation to break your window. Recession seriously hit hard man. I just want cheap stuff to play with for now until I get more experienced and have more money.

fourthmeal

move

crzygosu87

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^best advice I've seen yet hahahahah

jk lol

dykyy

Dude just buy the cheap system and you will be fine with it for a few months at leeaaast. Then when you realize that you want something nicer, sell your system for what you bought it for and move on to something nicer. I mean everything will be wired already, and most likely you will face a drop in replacement. My best advice is not to cheap out on the wiring because that will be a b*%ch later on when you do decide to upgrade. Cheers!

finalcross

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lol thanks guys. I hope that person answers so I can get that cheap system to play with for now. And if life was only that easy, I would have been moved to somewhere where I don't spend half an hour a day just looking for parking.

finalcross

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Update...so the girl never came through. I found this guy who is selling his amp and sub for cheap but the set up is ehhh. http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/ele/1989200810.html
Check it out. I told him $125 but I am feeling like its a little too weak.
A Kenwood 2 channel 600 watts amp with 2 10" Kenwood subs. He said he used it for 2 years and only put 150 watts to each sub when he was using it. This system is too weak right?

finalcross

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I just found the model numbers for the sub and amp online.

The sub is Kenwood ksc-bp210 and looks like it comes boxed when you buy it.

The amp is Kenwood KAC-7285

Should I tell him $100 instead or is this system so weak that it is not even worth buying?

Thanks guys.

eggyhustles

This is nice..old school rockford was the shit

Get the model # first

http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/ele/1986394105.html

these jl w0's are cool too

http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/ele/1989855417.html

ppi sub
http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/ele/1986079256.html

old school jbl
http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/ele/1987413486.html

fourthmeal

That sub box makes me want to puke. PASS.

fourthmeal

Eggy that guy was selling those PPI's for more than you can buy them on eBay BNIB. LOL.


The rest are cool but a proper made ported box is a must...no xmax.

eggyhustles

whoops..didn't bother to check ebay

fourthmeal

Look, if you need to do this on the CHEAP, I have a solution.

http://credencespeakers.com/Merchant...tegory_Code=BO

I have 4 of the 12's, the price was unbeatable. They aren't really awesome for Xmax, or power handling, but they are extremely efficient and in the right ported box, they will be a force to be reckoned with. For the price, they are ridiculous. So, my vote if you go this route is a pair of them, and a custom box made to spec for them.

eggyhustles

30 for a pair of 10's isnt bad

300w amp for them can be found for pennies, too.

Get some foam for the trunk, and no one will know you have a system.

eggyhustles

what about one of these fourth?

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...+-RSd12d-.html

fourthmeal

Great woofers, a little space hungry, kinda peaky in smaller boxes. But built right, and relatively low distortion.

finalcross

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Yeah..I guess I won't get it then. Maybe I'll wait a bit for some money to come in and I'll get a "real" system. I'll stop being so cheap.<br>

eggyhustles

You can piece something nice together little by little if you have the patience.

These are nice too http://www.woofersetc.com/p3416/RWE3...-Subwoofer.htm

fourthmeal

I can't spec those MB Quarts out but I'm sure they'll sound fine in a sealed box.




OP, what can you afford right now, including wiring and all that? What's your in-pocket cash flow (and what is your box-building abilities)?